Mckram

4 hours ago, Mckram said:

But arguably playing the worst standard of football of a Derby team ever…

I wouldn’t mind the league position if there was a positive direction that the team looked like it was going in, but it doesn’t look like there is a grand plan or philosophy under Warne? 

@The_Sheriff @Motley intrigued to know why you acted angrily to this post?

Is it that you feel this isn’t the worst Derby team or that you feel Warne has moved us forward? If it’s the latter then what aspects of the club do you feel have moved forward since he took over? 

21 minutes ago, Gritstone Tup said:

We’re within touching distance of the play offs not cut adrift at the bottom. We need perspective!

But arguably playing the worst standard of football of a Derby team ever…

I wouldn’t mind the league position if there was a positive direction that the team looked like it was going in, but it doesn’t look like there is a grand plan or philosophy under Warne? 

Always rated Hourihane and his surging runs in to the box. 

Just now, Abu Derby said:

Crewe’s goalkeeper could have got a deckchair after the whistle had blown to start the game, sat down and lit a pipe without it making a jot of difference. 
Powder puff crossing and shooting. 

Say something else like that, it worked! 😂

7 minutes ago, WystonRam said:

Surely after this he cannot survive ?

Would need to lose the next 5 on the trot for Clowes to act. 

Just now, JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta said:

At this point we could win the next five in a row and I'd still want him gone. Even if he somehow gets us promoted we'll get slaughtered playing like this in the champo

I fully agree. The reality is we are not moving forward.

Not to worry we will beat Wolves u21s on Wednesday and then all will be well again…

He’s fine for when we’re dominating and passing the ball around. But he’s a passenger when we’re out of possession and in a physical battle.

His legs have gone this season in terms of sprinting. He still puts a shift in but in a foot race he doesn’t win many.

Good win. It’s all about how we follow it up against Barnsley now as they’re the games that will define our season.

Thought Bradley was great, not just for defending but his direct passing through the middle is something we have lacked. If Cashin is going in January then maybe we stick with this now?

Not really a fan of Hourihane sitting so deep as it just feels like he gets in the way a bit, but he might have been told to sit that deep.

Went to pot a little towards the end but I guess we had bought the luxury of being able to make lots of changes and experiment a bit.

I don’t think that statement means a lot.

It could have a big impact on the players though. I don’t get the feeling that they all love this style of play and after all, it’s how they perform that will decide Warne’s future.

I thought the Stevenage third goal was a good example of players not arsed about playing for the manager. 

2-0 NML

24 minutes ago, oomarkwright said:

Too many over 30s players who are too samey and have gone past their best particularly in forward areas. Not helped by bringing in another 6-7 of that type of player in the summer. Yes we were shopping in B and M and getting others leftovers but overall should still make top 6. There is still a chance of that. All is not lost. 

How many over 30 is too many though…I always feel like we’re an old squad but are we?

On Saturday we had Wildsmith, Nyambe, Cashin, Bird, Sibley and Wilson all under 30. Nelson is only 5 months over 30. Average age of the starting 11 was 27. 

Fornah and Ward could arguably be classed as first 11 or pushing for it and are under 30.

NML is arguably our best/most effective player at the minute but over 30.

I just don’t feel like the age is the problem?

I actually think for this level our squad is more than good enough.

At least half the starting 11 could still play in the Championship in my opinion.

It’s amazing what a lack of style/purpose and poor confidence can do to a team. 

1 hour ago, oodledoodle said:

Change your PFP please. Seeing his face is making my beer taste worse.

How’s that?!

I do think Clowes will still back Warne. It’s in his best short term financial interests to do so and there’s no guarantee his next choice would change the results/style of play.

I don’t think he will be 100% behind him though, he will definitely be considering what his next move might be.

I did think the fans not turning up might be on Clowes mind, but even if we do drop to below 20k per game, then it only takes a new appointment and a string of wins to turn that back around.

1 minute ago, Van der MoodHoover said:

Surprised Joey Barton isn't on that list of available managers......😉

Bristol Rovers sack him and they’re only 2 points below us…just shows what we’ve come to accept. 

7 minutes ago, DCFC1388 said:

Warnock linked with the job

Can’t understand why anybody would want Warnock yet unless they are really worried about staying up.

Warnock is a short term approach for any team these days and perfect for a ‘until the end of the season’ appointment. I guess not many managers last longer than a season or two nowadays. 

I’d imagine QPR have moved Ainsworth on with Eustace already lined up. He would have been a good option for us. 

Unfortunately can’t see him going anywhere.

He will get Tuesday night and win, then get another few games.

This season is a write off unless he’s gone next week.

1-0

1-1 NML

29 minutes ago, Eddie said:

That's correct.

And now - food for thought.

Are the people calling for his head willing to chuck a tenner in to pay his severance pay? The consensus seems to be that everybody, or at least the majority, according to @MackworthRamIsGod, want him gone. So let's say 15,000 people from our (dwindling) average home attendance all chuck a tenner in, that'll be £150,000 - a nice little earner, but probably less than 6 months salary.

Warne's still got 3 years or so on his contract, so even if my conservative (spit) estimate is half way to the correct ball-park, that'll be half a million to get rid. Chuck in his backroom and you can at least double that if you want a clean break before we start again - with no guarantees that his replacement will engineer any immediate improvement.

On the flip side for balance…can we afford to not get rid of him?

Say attendances drop 3,000 per game (which is not unrealistic at all and probably at the lower end), that’s potentially £75,000 per home match down on income.

Also add in player values…is Cashin still worth millions in January? If we don’t have an offer would he resign for us under Warne? Would any of our players want to stay under Warne and would any new players look at Derby in January/the summer and want to come and play this football?

If it is £1m to get rid then considering the above it would be a bargain at the minute. 

4 minutes ago, lrm14 said:

This is what worries me the most at the moment. Currently Wildsmith, Cashin, Fozzy, Nyambe, Bird, Thompson, Robinson, Sibley, Hourihane, Smith, Barkhuizen, NML, Collins and Waggy are all out of contract at the end of the season. A good chunk of those will likely have offers elsewhere from clubs that will be above 11th in League One. Any progress we make this season, which so far is looking minimal, will immediately be wiped and we'll be starting fresh again. Based on what Warne has dished up so far I do not trust him with that rebuild and if we get that one wrong, we might be down here for a few years.

Exactly, this season feels like the last season that we will think our squad is capable of promotion. Next year if we’re still in this league it will be weaker without a doubt.

6 minutes ago, Miggins said:

I worry that their natural talents and ability have been coached out of them.

It’s surprising how much a change of coaching can change players overnight. Confidence and belief is a huge part of football and at the minute we have neither.

My biggest fear is that we continue this way, lose the actual talented players in our team and then have a team of players who are average League 1 players at best. 

Just now, NottsRam77 said:

Its ability .. plain and simple .. motivation has nothing to do with being able to pass a ball 10 yards 

I disagree. These players are a lot better than what they’re showing.

They may not buy in to what they’re being told to do or have lost confidence, but this group of players should be performing a lot higher than they are.