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Its just madness the money and the way the prem clubs are run! I hate the bussiness side of football! I dont see how clubs can really compete unless they go into big debts! 
 
The prem just want to turn it all into a franchise and open shops all around the world and sell merchandise for the so called "big" clubs to get even more money!
They moan theres too many games but f off for tours during the winter beak! They get rid of the fa cup replays but newcastle and tottenham do a 24 hour flight to oz a week after the season finishes to do a tour! Drives me mad 😡🤬😤
I hated the idea of a european super league when it was floated a few years ago but the more i think about it the more its growing on me! Take the franchise clubs and f off on your european greed train and let the proper clubs sort out a proper league where footballs run sustainably! 

Poor Morgan Whittaker

I've seen a lot of people talking about Paul Warne not being great bringing academy/youth team players through.
I have a friend who's lad has been at Rotherham from a very young age and has gone on to make the bench a few times (he's still only 18 I think).
He speaks very highly of Warne and said he was great with the youth teams and was often down watching them train/play.

What does it matter? Provided they come in and do a job for the Rams who cares where they’ve played previously.

I can see why Arthur went with two overseas bowlers. At the back end of last summer Came and Reece were established as openers, Guest had been good at 3, Madsen is Madsen, and there were lots of positive noises being made about Lloyd and Lamb. Who are you dropping for the specialist bat? Yes, I understand that this looks ludicrously optimistic with the benefit of hindsight considering our current season averages, but there weren't many who were predicting the batting would be this poor last September. Batting collapses are the most frustrating and most immediately visible sign of a struggling team, but they aren't why we've barely won any games for the last several years. We can't take 20 wickets in 4 days. Unfortunately it doesn't look like Tickner and Dupavillon are the remedy to this, but I understand why Arthur prioritised this area of the team.

Think Kevin cooper played there for a while too.

No Brett Angell mentioned either 

County is my local team so I always look out for their results. Always get decent crowds at Edgeley Park and like Tranmere they always seemed to play on Friday night although not now. The article is well written but no mention of big Kevin Francis who is a County legend but I’m sure had a spell at Derby. Also there was a Fa cup game at the BBG in the fog which Derby won with a very late goal in the early 90s which I remember going to

Would you rather he just said nothing?
Constantly responding to people like Trav with this sarcy comments is probably the reason why genuine ITKs on this forum don’t share information. 
Just chill and get excited for the window. If he’s right - great! If he’s wrong, no harm done. 

I'd imagine that if we had taken the 15 point hit, we'd have also either been placed under another embargo or the business plan we agreed would have been very different and spending more money wouldn't have been possible. 

Best of luck Marco, loved you back in the day. 
BBC News - Sunderland legend shares heart bypass surgery shock
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c722xmm8yvpo

All the best to him, if the rumours of a player coach role being on offer at Barnsley are true, then that's a good bridge towards his future coaching career. Always comes across well in interviews and i wouldn't be surprised to see him have a decent managerial career in the future. 
Well done to him for not just taking the easy money by activating the extension option in his contract.

But then again of course, even if we've spent just £4.50 and a bobble hat on incoming players, we'll still have lazy journalists discussing 'Big Spending Derby' and fans of certain other blinkered teams who will be convinced of the absolute truth that we've "thrown money at it", "Spending tax payers money after getting off so lightly with a bit of a points deduction" and other miscellaneous garbage.

This was very era was very early in my time supporting the club, so I can't comment on the feelings around the club at the time. But, is this current era not different. At the time of GSE coming in in 2008 we had recently been at a relative high in terms of being promoted to the premier league, but the club started plummeting from the start of 'that' season (as it was my first season properly following football, I spent the following seasons being amazed at how unlucky teams were to get relegated after getting more than 20 points in a season), 20th in PL, 18th, 14th, 19th in Championship in successive seasons. Essentially, we were in a decline with no clear evidence of it stopping.
At the moment, we are on our way up again. Stephen Pearce has talked about the club having a long term view of things, which makes sense imo. Next season, following promotion, we should be looking at staying up, the year after we should be looking at a comfortable below mid table finish at the very least, the season after that we should aim to be slightly above mid table and so on. If the club follows this trend I suspect the realistic fans would be happy, as we are progressing back to where Derby County should be in the pyramid.
Regarding your point about the last time the club were in the bottom 6 or 8 in terms of budget ending in protests. I only see this happening if the club show no signs of moving forward (if we become a Rotherham for example). However, for the first time in a long time I trust our owner in David Clowes. I genuinely feel like he can create long term sustainable success at the club, like he and his family have done at Clowes Developments. It may well be that our current and previous owners' time and achievements at the club reflect how they have done so well in business. DC and Clowes Developments being built up sustainably, while MM's time as Derby owner is similar to the game his company made. Lots of things to get exited about while it's happening only to have very little when its not being played. 

OK, so let's dissect your rationale:
1) "We'll have a good budget" - None of us know what our budget will be but I would imagine it's not going to be particularly close to a top 6 budget. There will be 4 teams with parachute payments, some clubs kitty will be boosted by players they are able to sell, some seem to have owners more willing to splash the cash and, whilst our attendances (and therefore gate revenue) may be amongst the best, it won't be significantly bigger than a number of clubs.
2) "We'll be an "attractive" club" - By this I assume you're suggesting good players will be tempted to sign for the club. This may well be the case but, I'm pretty sure for most players and their agents, money has the loudest voice.
3) "We'll be an ambitious club" - I doubt very much we'll be unique in this respect. There will be several I reckon that fancy their chances at making the play offs.
4) "A club with a "successful"  manager" - Wow, this is a bit rich coming from you. I don't think anyone would doubt that PW's success has only been proven at league 1 level to date. He has no successful track record at Championship level but many of us reckons he deserves a chance.
5) "A manager wanting to prove himself" - I would imagine every permanent manager (if there is such a thing) wants to prove themselves.
You're right, the thread is about aspirations and top 6 should be the goal BUT you said "why can't we expect a good run at top 6". There is a difference between aspirations and expectations.
For me, the aspiration is to be up there having a good go at the top 6 but my expectation is much lower.
I know I added a smiley face to my original response but the cynic in me can't help but think that if we're not close to the top 6 by Christmas (or earlier) you'll be calling for his head on the basis that we should "expect" to be in contention for the play off places.
 

It's interesting to see the professionalism and know-how we're giving up. I get what you say about Korey. Smith was a model pro in terms of knowing and trying to do his job, whether it was at right back or in the middle. I think he'd be an excellent acquisition for someone in League One, or at the foot of the Championship. 
Hourihane was the guy who would get in the ref's face and fight our corner and win freekicks the way other teams would do against us. And he was so brave fronting up to the fans that day, in a really toxic environment, possibly saving Warne his job. A leader, even when he struggled to make the impact we needed on the pitch. 
And I've frequently said Wildsmith's ability to take the sting out of the game served us very well. Part of the modern goalkeeper's toolkit. Whoever comes in needs to have this as well perhaps a little more subtly. 
But expertise and game management is something we will need the replacement's we're bringing in to possess. 

While it's easy to look at the negative side of things regarding the size of our budget in comparison to other clubs, there are benefits to having a smaller budget.
1 - Focus on developing youth. Clubs with lower budgets tend to have to look to invest heavily in their youth set ups. With our track record of providing first team opportunities to younger players, the club could be an attractive prospect for talented young players in the area. As well as this, young players who develop in-house tend to have stronger loyalties towards the club that developed them. This can help create a stronger sense of togetherness, just look at the impact we've seen in previous years from out younger players.
2 - Effective scouting. As we can't just go out and handpick players, the scouting system is forced to find innovative and smarter ways of identifying talent, perhaps looking to find undervalued markets to exploit. As it will be harder for the scouts they will need to improve their way of doing things, which could help them develop in the long term as well.
3 - Financial stability. As we aren't close to getting promotion from the championship, the club doesn't necessarily need to overspend on trying to get the final piece of the puzzle so to say. We've all heard and seen how DC wants to run the club sustainably, which may have some short term pain on the way to success in the long term. We may not be ready to challenge for promotion from the championship for 5 seasons or more, but when we are back we will be in a better place to succeed.
4 - Player development pathways. This is similar to my first point. A number of teams who have gone up through the leagues have focused on developing players then selling them on for profit. They then invest this profit in more players to develop then sell them on for more profit and continue doing this. We've all seen how many young players have come though our system and now we are in the championship we could demand higher fees. Didn't Bournemouth bid £9 million for Cashin a number of years ago? We have a number of good players to develop in the club, who we could potentially sell on for big money in the future, and then we can invest this in numerous players to develop further.

Manchester City are just boring.
The players are like machines. They function well but I don't want to watch them.

Hard pass. 
I get it, he wants a bit of security from what could be his last decent contract.
But we can’t have a player who’s likely going to be an infrequently used back up tied to a 2 year deal. 
He’d probably get a decent two year deal from a play off chasing/mid table league one team.

Hello.
I’m by no means an ITK Alan Nixon impersonator and i’d only come on here and say owt if i believed there was any sort of legitimacy.
Chap who told me we’d want Adams permanently in the summer when we signed him, I had a chat with him on Friday, fee is the stumbling block. all parties want the move but Cardiff want a decent fee.
Sibley deal - apparently it seems to be length of the deal holding it up. we’re offering a shorter contract than desired. hopefully can be resolved.
Collins - same as above. we want a 1 yr deal. his camp want 2.
Herbie Kane - haven’t entered discussions, doubts that we will.
 

Reuben is progressing really well and is now working on being able to stand and put his weight through that right leg before he moves on to trying to walk. A little bit more movement in the right elbow but nothing yet in the wrist and hand….. 

Hey honey, get in here, new Oldben just dropped

All the best to him, if the rumours of a player coach role being on offer at Barnsley are true, then that's a good bridge towards his future coaching career. Always comes across well in interviews and i wouldn't be surprised to see him have a decent managerial career in the future. 
Well done to him for not just taking the easy money by activating the extension option in his contract.