IlsonDerby Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 With a busy summer expected I figured it’d be useful to have this up and ready to go as soon as possible… Stuniverse 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlsonDerby Posted May 23, 2023 Author Share Posted May 23, 2023 Special thanks to Angie and others who keep us armchair academy fans well informed. Wouldn’t have a clue what was going on without you guys! Dordogne-Ram, Zag zig, angieram and 2 others 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angieram Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 1 hour ago, IlsonDerby said: Special thanks to Angie and others who keep us armchair academy fans well informed. Wouldn’t have a clue what was going on without you guys! @Ghost of Clough, @Jubbs, @Stuniverse, @ExiledinDerby are the experts, I just go to the matches (when I can.) It’s harder to fit them in around all these extra games we play in League One! Jubbs, IlsonDerby and archram 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambitious Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 It's going to be a huge summer for the U21 side in particular - they must be confident in bringing in a ton of players given their almost complete exodus of the U21 side. Aghastie and Ibrahim, in particular, as those two (at least in the games I saw and followed) seemed to be somewhat competent. There doesn't seem to be a scale back on our category one academy either, considering the investment it's no surprise we're the only League One side to take part. If we can use it for our advantage, great, but feel like this next season will be hugely important for the academy long-term. If we fail to win promotion, there is absolutely no way we can sustain a category one academy with a minimum investment of £3.5m(?) per annum without any real tangible benefits. It's easy when you're generating a nine figure TV revenue, not so easy when you only generate a seven one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuniverse Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 (edited) Now that the player profiles have been updated on the official DCFC website with players released at all levels removed, a quick glance at the U21 Player Profiles shows how thin on the ground the U21 squad is currently. Although that is without Callum Moore, Riley Moloney, Keilen Robinson and Carlos Richards who are still listed on the U18 Player Profiles but will step up to the U21s next season. I’m not sure there will be that much budget to bring in U21 players this summer as, I suspect, budget will be prioritised for the first-team squad. Edited May 23, 2023 by Stuniverse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Stuniverse said: Now that the player profiles have been updated on the official DCFC website with players released at all levels removed, a quick glance at the U21 Player Profiles shows how thin on the ground the U21 squad is currently. Although that is without Callum Moore, Riley Moloney, Keilen Robinson and Carlos Richards who are still listed on the U18 Player Profiles but will step up to the U21s next season. I’m not sure there will be that much budget to bring in U21 players this summer as, I suspect, budget will be prioritised for the first-team squad. Oduroh is listed in the first team squad despite still being viewed as an U21 by Warne. Moore, Moloney, Richards, will be stepping up after completing their scholarships. Hawkins has been a regular all of last season despite only being a 1st year scholar. Cox, KRobinson, Davidson, DBrown and Wheeldon had a taste of U21 football last season as 1st year scholsrs and will be looking to build on that. I'm not expecting many signings, due to having an effective squad size of 17 prior to any being loaned out, and match day squads being boosted by a deeper first team (players needing minutes) and U18s squad members filling in when needed (Gill, McAndrew, etc). Stuniverse 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 Darren Wassall leaving suggests that there will be big changes within the academy next year. I expect this to be style of play, type of player and of course I think quite a lot of staff changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NottsRam Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 19 minutes ago, ExiledinDerby said: Darren Wassall leaving suggests that there will be big changes within the academy next year. I expect this to be style of play, type of player and of course I think quite a lot of staff changes. Interesting that the statement says the 'role of Academy Director is being restructured to Academy Manager', sounds like a downgrade to me, maybe why DW is off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angieram Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 58 minutes ago, NottsRam said: Interesting that the statement says the 'role of Academy Director is being restructured to Academy Manager', sounds like a downgrade to me, maybe why DW is off. That bit does make sense to me. Darren used to coach under 23s when he was Academy Manager. He was made up to Director (was it when he stepped down from caretaker role for first team?) and Pat Lyons took over under 23s. It created an extra layer that we maybe don't actually need. Zag zig, Carnero, NottsRam and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, angieram said: That bit does make sense to me. Darren used to coach under 23s when he was Academy Manager. He was made up to Director (was it when he stepped down from caretaker role for first team?) and Pat Lyons took over under 23s. It created an extra layer that we maybe don't actually need. Yes it was Angie, I’m guessing it was a bit of a sweetener as I think his wages remained too…. He built a great academy but things always change I just hope it remains a focus and is not cut to the bone to fund the first team which is personally a fear. I would expect Pat Lyons and some of the others to leave too. Edited May 24, 2023 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinman Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 I’d expect Lyons to be out the door soon too. Don’t think he’s that highly regarded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravabeerbelly Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 The blokes always been a clown Bald Eagle's Barmy Army 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 4 minutes ago, Ravabeerbelly said: The blokes always been a clown What do you reckon will be the 'change of direction'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravabeerbelly Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 11 hours ago, Ravabeerbelly said: The blokes always been a clown Lyon that is not Wassell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Harford Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 Found this interesting, obviously you can debate he methodology and the results are not set in stone, but we do not rank as highly as I would have expected finishing 39th, with only Burnley and Stoke the other Cat 1 clubs below us. https://trainingground.guru/articles/2021/22-academy-productivity-rankings-chelsea-top-for-first-time Jram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jram Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 45 minutes ago, Mick Harford said: Found this interesting, obviously you can debate he methodology and the results are not set in stone, but we do not rank as highly as I would have expected finishing 39th, with only Burnley and Stoke the other Cat 1 clubs below us. https://trainingground.guru/articles/2021/22-academy-productivity-rankings-chelsea-top-for-first-time Yeah quite surprised by that. Only one premier league player. Presumably Hughes. Then Hendrick, Whittaker, Bennett in the Championship? Not sure of the fourth. In fairness, I’d expect us to go up that list once the U18 generation from 2019 come into their prime. It’s not out of the realms of possibility a lot of them will play the majority of their careers in the Prem/Champo. With Ebosele, Buchanan also playing in top leagues abroad. Sadly, it currently appears that generation may have been a one-off but hopefully we can continue to produce and the academy sides will be galvanised this summer Mick Harford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 1 hour ago, Mick Harford said: Found this interesting, obviously you can debate he methodology and the results are not set in stone, but we do not rank as highly as I would have expected finishing 39th, with only Burnley and Stoke the other Cat 1 clubs below us. https://trainingground.guru/articles/2021/22-academy-productivity-rankings-chelsea-top-for-first-time There are a few factors 1. It's weighted by division rather than pure numbers. 2. They split the points between the number of academies they've been in (not sure on age cut off) 3. Only English players are counted. This also excludes players who have switched allegiances. 4. It ignores players who have moved abroad, even if playing in the Bundesliga, Serie A, La Liga, etc Perhaps the biggest factor is the rankings are based on all player ages (even those in their 40s). However, our academy is immature in terms of production line. Between Huddlestone coming through 20 years ago and Vernam (now 26), I believe there was only Mutch (a few games for Crawley) and Hughes (Palace) who count. Since then, we produced a high number of lower league ENGLISH players. In order of age since Vernam, Guy, Rawson, Bennett, Kellan Gordon, Lowe. We're then into our promising group of graduates who ar emore likely to play PL football: Bird, Buchanan, Whittaker, Sibley, Delap, Gordon, etc. It takes 10 years for a player to make it through the academy system, then another 15 years a club's productivity ranking to be fully mature. We have at least another 10 years to go to reach that stage. Dordogne-Ram and Mick Harford 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roboto Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 Also worth noting that most of the Premier League teams will have several groups for kids at various age levels before they become first-year scholars. I was with my youngest son (7 years old) at one of the Chelsea development team sessions the other week and he has a session with West Ham booked in for next month. These teams have tons of kids at several bases and when they are old enough/good enough they go to the main academy. They are bound to get hold of the best players in a very densely populated area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuniverse Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 I know I posted this in the 22/23 thread but I thought I'd post it again in the Academy Thread 23/24 for reference. I'm working on the U21 appearances and goals and will post that as well when I've finished it. U18s - appearances and goals 2022/23 Season Based on soccerway, cross-referenced with the Official Derby County website (where there was an U18 match report), these are the U18 appearances and goals stats for the 2022/23 Season as far as I can tell: ramit, Mick Harford, angieram and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuniverse Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 (edited) U21s - appearances and goals 2022/23 Season Based on soccerway, cross-referenced with the Official Derby County website (where there was an U21 match report), these are the U21 appearances and goals stats for the 2022/23 Season as far as I can tell: Notes: [1] In the penalty shootout against Alfreton Town, penalties were scored (5 out of 5) by: Lo-Everton Cybulski Oseni Taylor-Hart Brown [2] The unnamed trialist came on as an 82nd minute substitute for Ibrahim in the 1-2 defeat away at W.B.A. U21s on Friday 16th September 2022. [3] Players still contracted to the club are in bold. Edited May 27, 2023 by Stuniverse angieram and ramit 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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