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At least CK won’t have to return the coat. 

Has Nixon turned into the Dalai Lama?

Miserable lot aren’t they 

I don't think now is the time to tell us to calm down, we've been waiting for something to be happening for ever! 

So…. Let’s leave it a bit longer then?
Weve done so many rounds of final bids that we must be done (positively or forked).
You can’t wIth a straight face keep giving deadlines to the “interested parties” and then…. “Ok this time I REALLY mean it, give me your best and final”…
 

What a complicated omnishambles Mel has created. 
I honestly can't believe these are even discussions we're needing to have on here. How did it ever get to this point? 
Mel took a club that was 'boring', but financially secure and improving season on season, and burned all that to choke repeatedly. Instead of accepting his financial mistakes in all this, he's decided to burn whatever legacy he could claim, and destroy the club. Even if he had some honour and saved the club now, by accepting whatever loss it would take to get a sale to a new party to happen, the damage is already done. 
We should have been the writing on the wall when he sold the stadium to himself, the level of dodgy involved was ridiculous, and was always a risk of coming to a head like this. The ball is still in his court for the club to survive, but it could take a decade for us to overcome this damage. 

There has been social media campaigns to see fans on the pitch. Bringing attention to our dire situation.
Going on the pitch tomorrow will only hurt the club, as in the staff, management and players.
Quantuma, EFL, will not have a sleepless night.
We are in desperate times, I understand, feel the frustration and anger.
I have created this topic using my own voice, my own thoughts with no communication from anyone at the club in the hope it keeps some fans off the pitch.
Just one fan, using his own voice asking you all to stop and think.
There has to be better ways in letting our voices be heard without affecting  the team. 
So far this season, the one positive we can take is the support for this club, it's been second to none. 
There is one man tomorrow that deserves that same level of support, one man that does not deserve to see his remaining games abandoned for crowd trouble.
Wayne Rooney. 
Come on Derby!

Perhaps he could sit in it on his own twice a week with the tannoy system blasting out he s one of our own ,full blast on loop 

With hot weather predicted all week , the “Big Reveal” on Friday could be the pitch looking all green again.

There are young players having their first season in the Championship absolutely ripping it up. Now worth tens of millions of £. The thing they have in common it a very good manager/ coach that has improved them. Festy will need someone to work on his raw talent.

I think "most people" who don't understand football regard Derby County as not important.
Unfortunately the most people are the ones that support the so called big teams that have become big by the most people and the most people pay the most money to watch their big teams that have the most buyers to buy their team that has the most players all loaned out to smaller teams that eventually have to give back these players to the big teams where they become bigger players and earn bigger wages and the most people discuss these big teams all the time on all the big media stations and the big money gets bigger and bigger as the big teams get to play all around the world in brand new cup competitions so the most people get to become even more, and even more and whilst the big teams get bigger and bigger, then the little teams become littler and littler and get eaten up by most people who are far too greedy, far too selfish, far too oblivious, arrogant, ignorant too even notice little Bury FC.............and then down the chain comes along little Derby County the worst team in the Premier League, because that's all they know or want to know thesedays or what they are spoonfed from our media channels about little Derby County. Even when the football killers Sky Sports rolled up into little Derby for the Birmingham City game their cameras missed our 10,000 protest march, because it was more important for them to show Neil Warnock telling their most people audiance that pay big money to watch it, how Neil Warnock thinks Wayne Rooney will not get an easier job, then managing Derby County this season! Absolute Crass! a manager that said on the radio, how he would love the Watford job, as they sack you after 3 months and you receive a very nice pay off...........Absolute Crass!
Yeah I love the underdog. I love Derby County.........but I'm not most people, I'm one of not many, but Derby County are important to some people and that is good enough for me!
Unfortunately.........we are not that important........to most people!
Eat the rich.....feed the poor.
Fight War Not Wars.
 

With the news of Festy leaving confirmed, it brings home just how hard and long we have been punished as a club. The 21 point deduction is severe in itself but the restrictions placed on us in terms of making new signings and offering new contracts to existing players is destroying our club further.
It goes way beyond this season. It has made survival in the Championship nigh on impossible, made it harder for us to find a buyer and even if we are eventially taken over, with a potential 15 point deduction, the possibility of a new manager and a scratch team, we face an uphill struggle next season too. And that's the favorable outcome.
The EFL, the idiot chairmen at Middlesbrough and Wycombe and all the trolling Florist/Leeds/Boro and other teams (so-called) fans have further tried to push us over the edge.
I just want this to be over now. I'd be a liar if I said this hasn't lowered my mood. The continued worry about the loss of something you have loved for the majority of your life is draining. I'm sure many of you feel the same. Please make this finish. Please can we have a PB  by Friday and at least start on the journey in rebuilding our beloved Rams.

I think part of our downfall was linked to Mel Morris's love of a headline because the media tends to be obsessed with the PL, & in particular, with a select coterie of clubs/the elite. It's not that we don't matter, it's that the media appear to think the public are only interested in certain clubs associated with success, glamour (star players) & a history of winning trophies - bypassing the rest. 
Mel Morris wanted to be part of this rarefied world, thinking throwing his largesse would bring success. He tried to generate his own headlines through a succession of high-profile appointments: Paul Clement, Carlo Ancelotti's assistant; Nigel Pearson; & Lampard. Sacking managers regularly when things didn't go to plan ensured we stayed newsworthy. Big money signings brought attention. The EFL have done us great damage, but Morris also sought to antagonize them. Conflict with other owners. He did not seem able to run the club in an efficient, low-key manner.
The fact is that Mr Morris enjoyed the limelight, featuring on broadcasts like 'TalkSport'. How many club chairman/owners in the Championship can you name? Darragh MacAnthony, though I think he tends to be quite interesting in what he says, and he has shown loyalty to managers. He can't be that bad a person to work for if two managers opted to return. I think the situation at Hull is interesting because they appear to have been taken over by someone who enjoys a headline or two befitting a media mogul. 
The truth is, clubs like Derby, and Norwich for example, have to be managed in a different way from the elite. They are provincial clubs as opposed to the big metropolitan teams, London with its expensive real estate. It is bitterly disappointing to see owners queue up to buy Chelsea with its £28m a month wage bill, two months of which practically cover what we owe in debt, & nobody stepping forward to aid one of English football's tradition clubs. Why is this?
Are we any the less bigger than West Ham, who appear to have gone on to another level? They have exploited the situation regarding the London Stadium, enabling to increase ticket sales whilst paying an agreed fixed rent, if correct. 

I think part of our downfall was linked to Mel Morris's love of a headline because the media tends to be obsessed with the PL, & in particular, with a select coterie of clubs/the elite. It's not that we don't matter, it's that the media appear to think the public are only interested in certain clubs associated with success, glamour (star players) & a history of winning trophies - bypassing the rest. 
Mel Morris wanted to be part of this rarefied world, thinking throwing his largesse would bring success. He tried to generate his own headlines through a succession of high-profile appointments: Paul Clement, Carlo Ancelotti's assistant; Nigel Pearson; & Lampard. Sacking managers regularly when things didn't go to plan ensured we stayed newsworthy. Big money signings brought attention. The EFL have done us great damage, but Morris also sought to antagonize them. Conflict with other owners. He did not seem able to run the club in an efficient, low-key manner.
The fact is that Mr Morris enjoyed the limelight, featuring on broadcasts like 'TalkSport'. How many club chairman/owners in the Championship can you name? Darragh MacAnthony, though I think he tends to be quite interesting in what he says, and he has shown loyalty to managers. He can't be that bad a person to work for if two managers opted to return. I think the situation at Hull is interesting because they appear to have been taken over by someone who enjoys a headline or two befitting a media mogul. 
The truth is, clubs like Derby, and Norwich for example, have to be managed in a different way from the elite. They are provincial clubs as opposed to the big metropolitan teams, London with its expensive real estate. It is bitterly disappointing to see owners queue up to buy Chelsea with its £28m a month wage bill, two months of which practically cover what we owe in debt, & nobody stepping forward to aid one of English football's tradition clubs. Why is this?
Are we any the less bigger than West Ham, who appear to have gone on to another level? They have exploited the situation regarding the London Stadium, enabling to increase ticket sales whilst paying an agreed fixed rent, if correct. 

I think part of our downfall was linked to Mel Morris's love of a headline because the media tends to be obsessed with the PL, & in particular, with a select coterie of clubs/the elite. It's not that we don't matter, it's that the media appear to think the public are only interested in certain clubs associated with success, glamour (star players) & a history of winning trophies - bypassing the rest. 
Mel Morris wanted to be part of this rarefied world, thinking throwing his largesse would bring success. He tried to generate his own headlines through a succession of high-profile appointments: Paul Clement, Carlo Ancelotti's assistant; Nigel Pearson; & Lampard. Sacking managers regularly when things didn't go to plan ensured we stayed newsworthy. Big money signings brought attention. The EFL have done us great damage, but Morris also sought to antagonize them. Conflict with other owners. He did not seem able to run the club in an efficient, low-key manner.
The fact is that Mr Morris enjoyed the limelight, featuring on broadcasts like 'TalkSport'. How many club chairman/owners in the Championship can you name? Darragh MacAnthony, though I think he tends to be quite interesting in what he says, and he has shown loyalty to managers. He can't be that bad a person to work for if two managers opted to return. I think the situation at Hull is interesting because they appear to have been taken over by someone who enjoys a headline or two befitting a media mogul. 
The truth is, clubs like Derby, and Norwich for example, have to be managed in a different way from the elite. They are provincial clubs as opposed to the big metropolitan teams, London with its expensive real estate. It is bitterly disappointing to see owners queue up to buy Chelsea with its £28m a month wage bill, two months of which practically cover what we owe in debt, & nobody stepping forward to aid one of English football's tradition clubs. Why is this?
Are we any the less bigger than West Ham, who appear to have gone on to another level? They have exploited the situation regarding the London Stadium, enabling to increase ticket sales whilst paying an agreed fixed rent, if correct. 

I’ve thought for a while it’ll be Mike Ashley (I think everything has just pointed that way) but he won’t pay the HMRC threshold and we start on -15 next season. In turn this means other smaller creditors will be shafted and that’s what Team Derby are getting at in the statement.
The delays now are about getting all the background stuff sorted and getting the PR side of things together.
To be clear, I’m not in the know at all. Just going on what others have said over time and Ashley’s business practices. I honestly hope im wrong and everyone gets paid appropriately and we are on an even footing next season.

Q never learn do they, I wish they would just deliver on something.

I think part of our downfall was linked to Mel Morris's love of a headline because the media tends to be obsessed with the PL, & in particular, with a select coterie of clubs/the elite. It's not that we don't matter, it's that the media appear to think the public are only interested in certain clubs associated with success, glamour (star players) & a history of winning trophies - bypassing the rest. 
Mel Morris wanted to be part of this rarefied world, thinking throwing his largesse would bring success. He tried to generate his own headlines through a succession of high-profile appointments: Paul Clement, Carlo Ancelotti's assistant; Nigel Pearson; & Lampard. Sacking managers regularly when things didn't go to plan ensured we stayed newsworthy. Big money signings brought attention. The EFL have done us great damage, but Morris also sought to antagonize them. Conflict with other owners. He did not seem able to run the club in an efficient, low-key manner.
The fact is that Mr Morris enjoyed the limelight, featuring on broadcasts like 'TalkSport'. How many club chairman/owners in the Championship can you name? Darragh MacAnthony, though I think he tends to be quite interesting in what he says, and he has shown loyalty to managers. He can't be that bad a person to work for if two managers opted to return. I think the situation at Hull is interesting because they appear to have been taken over by someone who enjoys a headline or two befitting a media mogul. 
The truth is, clubs like Derby, and Norwich for example, have to be managed in a different way from the elite. They are provincial clubs as opposed to the big metropolitan teams, London with its expensive real estate. It is bitterly disappointing to see owners queue up to buy Chelsea with its £28m a month wage bill, two months of which practically cover what we owe in debt, & nobody stepping forward to aid one of English football's tradition clubs. Why is this?
Are we any the less bigger than West Ham, who appear to have gone on to another level? They have exploited the situation regarding the London Stadium, enabling to increase ticket sales whilst paying an agreed fixed rent, if correct. 

Kinda but I think it’s probably complicated and messy.
Lets say Ashley wants to buy the stadium rather than the club (that is my gut instinct anyway but that’s by the by) so he pays off the MSD debt, leaving Appleby to sort the creditors. In the short term, it works and then the club pays a lease to Ashley whilst Ashley does what he wishes with ‘The Pride of Sport Direct Park’ but eventually you’d imagine the club would want the stadium back. The issue with that that it wouldn’t take much to take it away from being a reasonable price for the sell back. The stadium was worth £80 mill before administration, it would be worth around that again and so it would become a huge issue. It doesn’t take much thinking to realise all the scenarios that could occur there.
I think the more sensible outcome, if you were looking at the idea of splitting the bids, would be for the council to buy the stadium from Mel, lease to the club with the idea it would be brought back into the club at a later date.

Just listening to Rooney's Press Conference and the praise he has for the players - young and old.
I'm filled with anger at the current situation, frustration, but most of all with sadness.
They're a great group of players. Rooney, himself, is growing as a manager.
I'm sure the state of the club has helped them pull together.
But, nonetheless, I wonder what they could have gone on to achieve but, we're losing them, one by one at the moment, with Ebosele the latest to go. And Rooney is saying "the team will be ripped apart in the summer". That's because, in his view, Festy is the only one who would go abroad, so the others have to wait until their contracts are up in the summer so they can move to other English clubs.
It's heartbreaking to think what they may have achieved if we'd been able to keep them all together.
Even now, there is still a chance if a sale is made before too long. I'm just not that hopeful anymore. Tragic. COYR ?

This was always the likelihood the longer this administration went on. The amazing thing is on the pitch we still have something to get behind, some excitement to the end of the season. I think many of us thought we’d be cut way adrift by now, credit to Rooney and Rosenior. It makes it more heartbreaking to see what’s happening because you know had we had a PB by now we could tie down some of our talent and next season we could’ve been a real force. If we can stay in the championship this is all salvageable, if we go down then this period in 2022 will set us back a few years.

I think it's all but over. If we can claw it back to 3 points with the two home games to go, I'll believe but unfortunately just can't see us doing it. The form has begun tailing off with 4 points from the last five, and let's be honest they looked knackered out there towards the end today, and reading has picked up a couple of results. There are seven games to play, and we still have Fulham at home and QPR away from that, where I can't see us getting anything from either of those 2. That means five games with at least 8 to make up from my calculation. Reading have Swansea at home, Cardiff at home, Barnsley away and Hull away as their 'easier games'. Suppose they get even two wins from those 5 (assuming it remains 8 points) we'll have to win all 5 of our non-promotion competing games to overtake them. It's not going to happen. 

I was resigned to relegation, then I had a lot of hope that we could somehow dig ourselves out of it by sheer force of will, but now I think it's all over.  I've been close to tears a few times this year at the games due to the sheer levels of emotion, and I'm sure I'll have a few tears at the end of this season but I hope they get a raucous reception against Cardiff as it's the least they deserve. Derby will be back whatever form it's in, and the phoenix will rise from its ashes. I hope Rooney sticks around, and this turmoil can finally be brought to an end in the postseason so our club can regain its dignity pride and climb back up the football league. 

The problem is the FA and other custodians of the game measure success based on how much money they’re bringing into the game. And based on that metric, they’re doing a terrific job.
But football is a sport, not a business model. It’s about entertainment, competition, rivalry, tribalism, pride.
When you buy a football club, or run the game, with the sole intention to make money, you’re missing the point. 
Sport is similar to art, a painter doesn’t paint a picture to get rich, and the art lived doesn’t live it cos it’s expensive. When you commercialise art, it’s stops being art. It become a facsimile of art. A simulation.
it’s the same with sport. When you commercialise it, it’s not sport any more, it’s not about the competition, it’s about the bank balance. 

Other than supporting on match days there's little to nothing else we can do, Supporters groups are treated as mushrooms, Fans are seen as cash cows, MPs release twitter feeds of no concequence.
The EFL haven't beaten us, They've certainly written our death throws, The nails in the Coffin were all lined up, Jagielka unable to re-sign, Shinnie moved on were 2 huge nails that were knocked into our Coffin.
I'm a realist with a little optimism thrown in, Until mathmatically impossible that we can't stay in the Championship then there's hope, I believe the EFL will have a party if we are relegated, It was their plan from the start, Parry, Birch et al have gone above and beyond in their efforts to put road blocks in our way, Once we were looking to make a fist of it things they seemed to have changed, Boro/Wycombe dragged on, Referees conspiracy I don't believe, EFL encouraging the Cheating Mantra imo has had the biggest effect on all in the Championship, We're the boogey man who lives under the bed, We're seen as a club that will get what they believe we deserve.
It rankles with me and has most of my adult life that oragisations will, Can and do have a very negative impact on peoples lives, Football for many 100s of 1000s of people is an escape from the humdrum of ordinary life...for what ever ordinary life is, There's no tub thumping from me, It's all been down to one person, That one person who gave Hope, Enjoyment, Excitement, Sadness and eventually Despair as this great club of ours is being lead away to the scaffold, Our only escape...24 points to be played for, Untill it's impossible to stay up...then there's hope.
COYR