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That's why you buy players like McGoldrick, Hourihane, Smith, Barkhuizen, Mendez-Laing & Collins and put them alongside Bird, Knight, Cashin - whilst not 'top tier technical' they all have more than enough technical ability to do well in this league and play good football.
A player's abilities won't intrinsically improve just because they're asked to run around more. You will get a better press off the ball but that only gets you so far, you still need quality on it to do anything.
The players will still have the same limitations they already had, but now the older players will tire quicker, the less technically capable players will end up rushing things, and the technically less gifted older players will both tire more and make more mistakes because they're being asked to play at a tempo above their capabilities.
Or at least that's the risk, it's certainly how it looked toward the end against Ipswich.
Players who's skillset is already based on pace on athleticism will benefit - just as long as the players supplying them with the ball aren't knackered or playing rushed, sloppy passes - but due to our limitations in the transfer market we don't have a great deal of those sort of players in our squad. 
People can complain about Rosenior's football being slow (in the most cliched, exaggerative terms possible) but in some ways it was dictated by what was available to him, what suited a number of his players at this stage of their careers.
Was the balance right? No probably not. Is the balance right so far under Warne? No probably not. If Warne can find a way to mitigate against the risks using the existing squad, so we don't just trade one problem for another, wonderful. If not we'll be needing a few transfer windows to change the faces up.

Late to the party with this thread but I don't think a couple of away wins under PW compares with what Rosenior did for this club this season and last... Whatever you think about LR, his football philosophy etc. The fact that we can even have the conversation about Derby competing for play offs this season is thanks to his hard work on recruitment and Clowse who saved us. So far, PW has come in, impressed a few people in interviews and got a couple of results on the road. I'm sure he would be the first to say that he has a long way to go.
However, completely agree that this kind of discussion is premature. PW has an absolute gift of an opportunity with DCFC. Unless we are absolutely bombing, we need to give him until the end of next season and support to embed the playing style and culture he believes will take us forward.
To @Bris Vegas- I don't think he is comparable to Pearson in the slightest. Different people, different managers, different situations.
I do think the players look like they're struggling to adjust to two very different footballing philosophies but the culture at the club is completely different now and one would hope that everyone pulls in the right direction to get it right. I'm not loving it personally but it's very, very early days.

That's why you buy players like McGoldrick, Hourihane, Smith, Barkhuizen, Mendez-Laing & Collins and put them alongside Bird, Knight, Cashin - whilst not 'top tier technical' they all have more than enough technical ability to do well in this league and play good football.
A player's abilities won't intrinsically improve just because they're asked to run around more. You will get a better press off the ball but that only gets you so far, you still need quality on it to do anything.
The players will still have the same limitations they already had, but now the older players will tire quicker, the less technically capable players will end up rushing things, and the technically less gifted older players will both tire more and make more mistakes because they're being asked to play at a tempo above their capabilities.
Or at least that's the risk, it's certainly how it looked toward the end against Ipswich.
Players who's skillset is already based on pace on athleticism will benefit - just as long as the players supplying them with the ball aren't knackered or playing rushed, sloppy passes - but due to our limitations in the transfer market we don't have a great deal of those sort of players in our squad. 
People can complain about Rosenior's football being slow (in the most cliched, exaggerative terms possible) but in some ways it was dictated by what was available to him, what suited a number of his players at this stage of their careers.
Was the balance right? No probably not. Is the balance right so far under Warne? No probably not. If Warne can find a way to mitigate against the risks using the existing squad, so we don't just trade one problem for another, wonderful. If not we'll be needing a few transfer windows to change the faces up.

Sibley was brilliant under Cocu. He burst into the scene better than Micah Richards ever could! 
Since then Rooney ruined his confidence and he hasn’t looked the same, he’s had glimpses but little consistency. 

I actually disagree with some posters. I feel Sibley plays better when he’s on the edge, when he’s aggressive, a menace. He’s a shadow of that player at times. It’s been coached out of him. Yes, it’s important to be disciplined, but Sibley almost needs that aggression to be at his peak. Players like David Speedie, Dickov, Rooney they played their best on the edge. Sibley seems to have focussed so much on his discipline that he’s lost that edge. It’s like he plays within himself. I want the Sibley back that is a menace, that went toe to toe with McTominay. He can still be a key man this year. He’s one of our best attacking threats. Play him central and release the Sibley fury. If he gets sent off and misses 3 matches so be it, it’s better than 10 games of Louis playing within himself. 

That's why you buy players like McGoldrick, Hourihane, Smith, Barkhuizen, Mendez-Laing & Collins and put them alongside Bird, Knight, Cashin - whilst not 'top tier technical' they all have more than enough technical ability to do well in this league and play good football.
A player's abilities won't intrinsically improve just because they're asked to run around more. You will get a better press off the ball but that only gets you so far, you still need quality on it to do anything.
The players will still have the same limitations they already had, but now the older players will tire quicker, the less technically capable players will end up rushing things, and the technically less gifted older players will both tire more and make more mistakes because they're being asked to play at a tempo above their capabilities.
Or at least that's the risk, it's certainly how it looked toward the end against Ipswich.
Players who's skillset is already based on pace on athleticism will benefit - just as long as the players supplying them with the ball aren't knackered or playing rushed, sloppy passes - but due to our limitations in the transfer market we don't have a great deal of those sort of players in our squad. 
People can complain about Rosenior's football being slow (in the most cliched, exaggerative terms possible) but in some ways it was dictated by what was available to him, what suited a number of his players at this stage of their careers.
Was the balance right? No probably not. Is the balance right so far under Warne? No probably not. If Warne can find a way to mitigate against the risks using the existing squad, so we don't just trade one problem for another, wonderful. If not we'll be needing a few transfer windows to change the faces up.

He'd be phenomenal in a Warne team

I'm pretty much along the lines of Kokussnuss, in that he has hardly ever had the chance to play in his best position for any length of time. I have said may times that the opportunities he has had have been stuck out wide on one wing or the other, oe brought on from the bench, often too late to change the game. He needs to be played just behind the front one or two, and given the chance to run at defenders, because that is what he does best. He is also likely to let fly at the earliest opportunity, often before the defence are expecting it, and is how he has scored a number of his goals. He would also benefit playing off a strong centre forward, picking up the knock-downs and lay-offs, but hasn't had the opportunity. As I have also said, it is the Derby way - Vydra would have been deadly playing off Chris Martin, but the two never played together, and for a while Vydra was only ever playing out of position, even as a lone target man on a few occasions! When we did put him in his best position, he started to flourish. We did it with Weimmann, who was only ever used out on the wing. When he went to Bristol they played him down the middle and he started scoring goals. Funny that.  Let's hope Warne gives him a good run where he should be playing. I don't think Warne will mess about, or rest on sentiment, so if Sibley is not all he is made out to be, he will be  given a bicycle and a map.

We've done a pretty poor job of nurturing our young players since the Cocu days tbf, part by design part by circumstance.
They shouldn't have needed to be carrying the weight of the team on their shoulders, played too much out of necessity and shunted around the pitch, but that's exactly what happened .
The ones who've come in over the past couple of seasons have moved on and up before we've had chance to see whether their form was a flash on the pan or not, the ones who were here before that have been through the mill with us and I think it shows in their lack of progression.
Sibley had probably had the least opportunity to play his own game than the others tbf, but he has had not opportunities recently and not really excelled either.
Sometimes a young player's progress can stall, they find themselves out of the team a lot and when they return they struggle to reattain the verve that got them noticed in the first place. 
Some will manage to get it back, others will fade into obscurity, others find a place lower down the leagues and have steady careers.  It's just the way it goes.
A move away can do wonders for some, whereas sticking around causes them more harm than good - it's not like Hughes has hit the heights he could have, maybe he stuck around too long in the end?
 

We've done a pretty poor job of nurturing our young players since the Cocu days tbf, part by design part by circumstance.
They shouldn't have needed to be carrying the weight of the team on their shoulders, played too much out of necessity and shunted around the pitch, but that's exactly what happened .
The ones who've come in over the past couple of seasons have moved on and up before we've had chance to see whether their form was a flash on the pan or not, the ones who were here before that have been through the mill with us and I think it shows in their lack of progression.
Sibley had probably had the least opportunity to play his own game than the others tbf, but he has had not opportunities recently and not really excelled either.
Sometimes a young player's progress can stall, they find themselves out of the team a lot and when they return they struggle to reattain the verve that got them noticed in the first place. 
Some will manage to get it back, others will fade into obscurity, others find a place lower down the leagues and have steady careers.  It's just the way it goes.
A move away can do wonders for some, whereas sticking around causes them more harm than good - it's not like Hughes has hit the heights he could have, maybe he stuck around too long in the end?
 

I did give them a potential of 7-8 points against the ‘big six’ as bonus points in the fight for relegation.
I think Liverpool at home (they are winless away this season) is probably the easiest of the big six right now. Don’t get me wrong I expected Liverpool to win easily, so Forest deserve credit.
But Forest would have been better off beating Bournemouth at home and losing to Liverpool, rather than the other way around.

I agree with all of that but I can’t help have the feeling that Warne was no more available when we actually got him than he would have been in the summer. But I also don’t think Rosenior did that much wrong to definitively show he wasn’t the right man either.
If you’re going to build a club in the image of a manager it makes far more sense to do that from scratch than from a base of 15 players on two year deals where he might not actually want or be able to use half of them. Any signing we wouldn’t have made under Warne, which imo is a few of them, now seems a poor signing.
I have no issue with Warne as a manager, I’m just very wary of the confused thinking we’ve seen too often before. I am pretty confident he’ll build a successful side here but by hiring him 3 months later than we should or could have it probably sets it all back 1-2 years. Maybe we’re in no rush and no issue with that either but the optics of replacing a manager while in 7th place might mean some fans put pressure on when it maybe shouldn’t be there.

Did you know, in some games under Rosenior we didn't even have a shot on target!? Imagine that!
And as for the chances we have the opposition playing it out from the back, I've never seen anything like it in my life.
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Judging by his interview on RamsTV, PW saw the game the same as most frustrated fans have. I guess that’s good. 
 
Under LR, we were able to pass the ball around but did so under little pressure from the opposing team. On most occasions (second halfs), when the opposing team had a bit of a go, our passing went to pot. So when the tempo increased, our passing accuracy decreased. Under PW, we try and play at a frenetic pace, so it’s no surprise our passing and control is woeful. If it’s not the opposition hurrying us, it’s ourselves. 

Keogh coming on with 30secs of added time to go was his middle finger to a club that supported him when it shouldn't. 

Decent first 20 mins but thereafter thought we were poor & Ipswich not much better.
There are some things I like about our new style but probably more I dislike. We are winning more second balls & undoubtedly getting more men into the box when the ball is out wide. Unfortunately the level of intensity is having a ruinous effect on our composure on the ball, technique, passing & quality from out wide - I saw this a lot with Warne's teams at Rotherham, they often looked a much better side without the ball than with it.
Thought Sibley was very good in that first 20 mins & another good display (and penalty save) from Wildsmith but struggling for positives other than that. Yes, Evans should have been sent off & I didn't think Ipswich were at all top 2 standard but reality is we barely threatened for the last hour of that game & looked like willing runners without the ability to string more than a couple of passes together. I don't believe we have the personnel to play Warneball so you have to question the managerial strategy in forcing the team to set up that way - our centre halves are not quick enough to deal with wingers breaking on them, we don't have proper wing backs any longer & playing at 100 mph means our quality gets eroded.

Are people more worried about the performance or the result?
I look at this League and I don’t automatically think we’re going to get anything away at one of the best teams in the league. I want us to do well and hope we get something, but I’m a realist and don’t expect to win every game and so don’t have a massive strop when we don’t.  
Context is everything and our context is that we have a new team, a new manager in a new league. It was always going to be a struggle this year no matter what people thought. I also fully expect a trip to Ipswich will be a struggle too.
It isn’t pretty at the moment. The only surprising thing is that anybody is surprised.  

Current beer and follow up

Well guys the score did not go our way today but I thought lads tried hard we created a few chances but just would not fall our way but warning signs were there all to see but saw a llttle lad looking sad I had to cheer him up put a smile on his face.  

Our brains are predictions machines. They try to make sense of the world around us but sometimes they can make mistakes, for example, if something is already on your mind, then that's what you brain will give you to experience.
Try this experiment out...
 
 
 
 
 
 

Why sorry?  It’s you’re opinion and you’re one of the most reasoned posters on here.  I can see where you’re coming from.  Myself, I’m a bit torn.  I think LR needed to learn and develop, mainly about being a Nr 1, man-management and the league.  We did look good and pass it well,  it sometimes too slow and over played.  I think PW also needs to learn about the players strengths and capabilities and whether or not they can adapt to what he wants them to do.
PW clearly wants a lot of energy, high press and move the ball quickly.  We have a squad of young players - energy but lacking know- how and older pro’s - know-how but probably not for enough.  PW has alluded to this but if he had a few 23-30 year olds I think we’d be in a better position.  And it’s no-ones fault we don’t have players in that age group.  We’re limited to free transfers and loans and that means your looking at players at the opposite ends of their careers.
I think it will work out for him and this year is about getting everything in place.

I feel a bit like "we've made our bed, gonna have to lie in it this time" with Paul Warne.
Given time we'll get good at being a paul warne team. Just might take too long for this season, in which case we might as well have given Liam Rosenoir the time.

We weren’t even good at the fighting for every ball or being productive at set pieces.
the formation really doesn’t suit our squad at all either, neutralised our wingers by moving them back thirty yards. Slow centre backs in a back three struggling as well. 
 
tonight was really poor

I don't usually like the wrist slashers' comments immediately after a game but this time, I'm going to become one.
I had my doubts about Warne's style of play as he was joining us but those fears have just been strengthened further ever since.
Sure he seems a likeable enough guy (compare with wee Billy for example) and he wears a funny sparkling bobble hat.
But, from the little I've seen of Derby since his appointment, and including the full game against Ipswich tonight, if that's Warneball, then nah, no thanks.
Sure, he doesn't have the players to play the style he wants but each of the managers since Lampard could equally say that. For that reason, I'm willing to forego results and a promotion challenge this season.
But I would like to see a stylish, attacking form of football that I don't think we will ever see under Paul Warne. Whether that be in League One or if we get promoted back to the championship.
Fighting for every ball, being organised and productive at set pieces is important but it's not everything. This is meant to be the 'beautiful game' and Warneball just isn't beautiful.
(and it doesn't create that many more chances)
Sorry.

At least Knight can spend the evening shining his halo. 

Thankfully on now TV tonight so settling down with a couple of Titanic beers whilst we are away (including the rather lovely cherry dark)
This should be a good game....two very different styles clashing.