Scott129

I'm sure he primarily played on the left wing for them, hence his decent goal return.

An inspired move from Cloughie Jr to shift him to LB though, it has to be said.

46 minutes ago, mozza said:

Have Wycombe got any say in this, with their 'claim' or are we clear on that front as well? 

They might try, but I always felt that once one of the club's settled, the other wouldn't be far behind. 

Its clear they've been in this together from the very start.

8 minutes ago, Gee SCREAMER !! said:

Steve Gibson’s battle has always been to stop other clubs breaking the rules and putting their clubs in jeopardy in order to get into the premier league, where they can line their pockets at the expense of the club.

This battle has been pushed as MM vs SG and it has been but the bigger war has always been to force the EFL to actively manage and police FFP and the wider health of its members against the actions of short term shysters.

This has always been lost in the Derby vs Boro battle, but hopefully in the wider war for football this will have been a victory as the EFL now is under so much attention that it’s current practice of having rules but not policing or actively enforcing them will not be allowed to continue. 

By forcing the issue about the actions of owners causing financial harm to others by cheating it’s bringing many things out into the open that many in the EFL were happy to ignore.

Back on the Manson sauce.  I assume no-one will be transferring debt to any bulk haulage company in the future then

I saw one Boro fan on Twitter say that people up there referred to Gibson like their own grandfather.

Weirdest thing I've seen in ages ?

Chris Martin's Scottish accent ?

28 minutes ago, David said:

This is what we're up against. 

 

Reporter for TalkSport and Sky Sports. I mean, it's just total and utter poo. 

I think you've instigated a bit of a pile-on ?

#BeKind

Multiple different spellings of Ebosele in that thread too, and none of them correct.

Abosele, Obosele, Ibosele.

14 minutes ago, Ram@Lincoln said:

Do they know where we finished last season? We were awful.

22 minutes ago, Curtains said:

Simon Jordan said 

 

 

“Derby supporters are beyond worried, with the threat of liquidation hanging over the club, with bidders put off by Middlesbrough and Wycombe’s compensation demands.

Simon Jordan controversially said the EFL can “go and burn”, with the exception of its chief executive Trevor Birch.

“I’m sorry, Derby fans, but unfortunately once upon a time, you liked Mel (Morris),” Jordan said on talkSPORT.

“You allowed Mel, to some extent, to run your football club – not that you could do much about it.

“The sins of Mel, as much as I like him, are being visited on a bad process.

“I really think Derby fans are not helping by becoming enraged by the processes because the processes are the processes. And it was your owner that put you into this.

“There’s no point barking at the moon. There’s no point suggesting the EFL have got a conspiracy.

“You know my view of the EFL. With the exception of Trevor Birch, they can all go and burn. But the bottom line is that the EFL are not sitting here trying to liquidate this club.

“There are opportunities for them to involve themselves in certain situations but they cannot circumvent an arbitration process so one club’s caught up on another.”

Completely undone his own argument there. Good one, Simon ?

Stuff it, I'm getting an away shirt with Forsyth 3 printed on the back.

Don't know why anyone would care but his missus has started a YouTube vlog channel, which he features quite heavily in.

https://youtube.com/channel/UCcTR4O1gjaf4aqpscNHcxfA

If you like dull-as-dishwater content, give it a watch ?

Imagine getting Liam on the show and every question you ask him is about Wayne ?

1 minute ago, sage said:

Interestingly I thought it was vice versa with Thompson taking too wide a position defensively and leaving Bird having to take chances to move us forward.  

I would agree - Bird was trying to move us forward and he was taking chances. But there were so many misplaced passes, running directly into Brum players, getting caught in possession, etc.

He's usually so good at keeping the ball.

Thought Thompson played well overall yesterday, but Bird's horror show of a performance really dragged him down.

I don't think Liam's the sort of player who can single-handedly grab a midfield by the scruff of the neck and take control (or at least not yet anyway). He needed some help from his midfield partner.

That is such a weird statement from the father - there's almost an element of defending him there.

Most fathers would be out for blood if they were in his shoes.

The form table makes for excellent reading as well.

Over the last 6 games, Derby are fourth with 13 points taken.

The four teams around us - Reading, Barnsley, Cardiff, and Peterborough - are also the four worst form sides over the same period (in that order - Reading have taken just one point).

If we still have a club to support, I genuinely think we'll stay up ?

Billy Sharp - what a legend ?

Bogle's having a good game. Shame he can't finish his dinner though, as he'd be doing us a massive favour.

4 minutes ago, 86 Hair Islands said:

Do we know it'll be definitely be arbitration as yet? I can't find anything from non-media sources to confirm this. Nixon alludes to mediation AND arbitration in separate tweets / articles which ain't terribly helpful!

But if, as @Scott129 suggests, it's definitely arbitration, then this is potentially really good news, no? A guaranteed resolution, one way or t'other...

It's either really good news or really bad news. Whatever the outcome is has to happen, whether it benefits us or not.

If it were mediation, you could in theory agree on loads of stuff, walk out the room, and not actually follow through with any of it.

35 minutes ago, 86 Hair Islands said:

Well check you out! ?

Rather handy having an inhouse expert, we all know who to grill now!

So... As someone who works for a mediation provider, can you confirm the difference please? My rudimental understanding is that arbitration actually delivers a binding agreement, whereas mediation merely seeks to do so.

Also, has it been confirmed it will be arbitration as yet? I thought oftentimes mediation preceded arbitration with the latter being implemented only if mediation failed to secure an mutual agreement. The reason I ask is that the difference in respective timeframes might be critical given our current precarious state. If it has already been confirmed that we will move straight to arbitration then I for one would welcome that. 

So arbitration involves an impartial third party that seeks to gather all of the evidence and then make a legally-binding decision on who's right or wrong, as well as what the course of action should be. It's usually used for contractual disputes.

Mediation involves an impartial third party bringing the two (or more) parties together and facilitating a productive conversation between them. Crucially, they're not there to make suggestions on how it can be resolved and they're not there to decide who's right or wrong. It's actually quite unique in that it's up to the parties to agree in good faith on how the dispute should be resolved. It's usually used for workplace disputes or neighbour disputes, but it does sometimes appear in the news for cases like Charlie Garde.

The only exception is divorce mediation, where because it often deals with finances, properties, etc, things can be made legally binding. Obviously, you can't do this when it comes to people's interpersonal relationships.

A very small part of me throughout this whole thing kept thinking, 'I wonder if we'll get a call from Quantuma at some point'. But, as much as our mediators are very good, and I'd love to see them get Gibson, Couhig, and Q in a room together, it would just be completely inappropriate for this type of dispute. It just would never work.

20 minutes ago, 86 Hair Islands said:

Pretty underwhelming I'd say, but in the wider scheme of things, at least there is no lingering doubt now that it is indeed the spurious MFC/WWFC claims are are preventing us nominating a preferred buyer and the removal of the latest EFL soft transfer embargo. I think the coordinated PR attacks the EFL & MFC/WWFC were something of a clue in this regard (if really needed), Steve Gibson's in particular, so whilst we remain in 'destination ducked' for the time being, this very modest progress will at least will help to focus minds somewhat. 

As regards the mooted fast track mediation, this can, it appears, be handled very swiftly. Unfortunately, it can also take a deal of time. Essentially, all parties are required to make written submissions to the mediator and herein lies the issue; one might reasonably expect both MFC & WWFC to be ready to proceed without undue delay. Presumably they have already drafted their complaints for the EFL, after all. The obvious concern now though, is will they seek to delay this process too? One thing I would feel certain of is that the intended process is fast track mediation and not fast track via the courts (some are confusing the two) as the latter is often still a protracted process. I also feel certain that this was the rationale behind the one month deadline extension, though this had been strongly hinted at beforehand anyway.

I think two things now need to happen; firstly, all interested parties simply must maintain PR pressure, from us lowly Rams Fans to our vaunted government ministers. It's been a wonderfully unified response to the EFL in particular, but it must continue. The MPs involved especially, given their unfettered access to all concerned parties, must do more to ensure a timely and even-handed resolution is found. Grateful for their support as we are, fine words in themselves are not enough.

Secondly, us fans need to remain as squarely behind the players and the coaches as we have been all season and our lads need to reciprocate by carrying on scrapping for every point available. Every win drags us closer to safety and every lion-hearted effort from players and fans alike secures us more and more neutral support. Let's face it, us Brits absolutely love a fighty underdog and the growing support of the football community could prove a hugely significant factor.

So what's the good news, I hear you ask! Well tomorrow there's a game of football, for a start ? Also, I don't think you'd get long odds about the Blades beating Posh, so a win for us may put us only only 3 points behind them. Reading face a tough trip to QPR too. Hmmm... I am an optimist I conceded but I can't help but feel there's a fairy tale in the making here. Rest assured, every time we do close the gap, the bidders too will get a bit more twitchy too, but in a good way! So they should too. After all, we're Derby and we fight to the end!

COYR

 

It's arbitration, not mediation.

Sincerely, someone who works for a mediation provider ?

3 minutes ago, Premier ram said:

I think those are 2 wycombe fans they bought with them , duck off back to Wycombe and your 2 bit , tinpot chancer of a club

"Here, put these Derby tops on and read these scripts".

12 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

 

What a legend this man is.

1 minute ago, IslandExile said:

Just ask one of the crews.

There's lots of coverage at the moment, it's probably just another Dan Roan report.

If anything really was happening, there'd be a race between Nixon and Percy to get the news out.

To be fair, Percy's not had much to say since the EFL/Boro/Wycombe got publicly accused of leaking stuff to him.

12 minutes ago, Bald Eagle's Barmy Army said:

I'm ashamed to say this took me a good minute or two to decipher ?