StarterForTen

1 hour ago, BriggRam said:

Is that the donkey that was kicked to death when the bus driver taking a school of visually impaired kids to Blackpool thought it a good idea too put a bell inside a beach ball and told them to have a kick around on thd beach, while he popped off for a pint

Bus driver got his ass kicked for that. 

The sad thing is, that if the boot was on the other foot, Knight would be just the kind of player we'd be looking to buy!

1 minute ago, Carnero said:

Hasn't he been here since the age of 11?

I make it 490,000 EUR compensation (£410,000) do you agree @Ghost of Clough?

Was it in the John Percy Telegraph re-hash yesterday that Derby received £290k in training compo for Ebosele? I think he didn't join us til he was 16 so do Bray get some of that too?

During a dispute such as this I wonder who finally arbitrates? Being football, I guess it won't be a court of law in the first instance.

You'd think this is for the FA to decide upon, or perhaps the EFL if the player registration is through them - especially if his registration is to pass from one EFL club to another (as seems most likely).

I'd heard from a source at Stoke City that they felt it would cost no more than a year's salary to sign him, about £650k.

5 minutes ago, whiteroseram said:

Wording of the club statement felt very pointed towards the Byrne situation didn't it? 

But if Bremen are paying development compensation, not a transfer fee, that assumes he was not under contract. If the same is true for Byrne then he is available on a free transfer. 

Now that Burnley have sold McNeil will that reignite their interest in Knight?

I'm not convinced we are quite ready for this and head says 1-0 to Oxford, but my heart says the Mighty Rams will be roared on by 29,000 giddy goats for...

Derby 2 - Oxford 1

FRGS: Mendez-Laing

3 minutes ago, Mostyn6 said:

will Bucko be manager one day you reckon? The Football Genius.

He strikes me as the kind of guy who will be asked to be caretaker manager one day and reel off four wins on the bounce by cheering up the dressing room!

Then he'll get offered the job full time, crap himself and never win another game.

Surely no-one will take him unless its a loan with a view to a permanent?

Cover his wages; get a loan fee and agree a buy option. I doubt we'll see him in a Derby shirt again.

7 hours ago, StaffsRam said:

Looked very poor tonight.

Fragile at the back, blunt up front. Persisted with playing everything out from the back, which we didn’t really have the players for. That being said we also had no one to hold up the ball if we went more direct, so choose your poison I suppose.

We look like a side 2/3 weeks behind everyone else, which we are, and we look like a side 4 or 5 players short, which we are. 

Smith looked good, and Robertson looked very good. 

The goals we conceded were Keystone Cops level defending, but on balance they weren’t undeserved. Our goal was a stunner.

Very well said.

Just hope that Rosenior (and the new Board) are strong enough to ride the inevitable wave of disgruntlement when we are 10 points from 10 games at the end of September.

This squad will be a slow burner and we’ll need to focus on where we can be with 10 games to go, not where we are at 10 games in.

We only announce signings in threes so he’s got to wait for Kemar Roofe and AN Other. 

Just spotted this on the Ignition Sports Media website...

https://www.ignitionsportsmedia.com/collections/derby-county-1

Ignition do loads of club's programmes - I get copies posted out for other clubs too just to see what is out there. Just put a call in to them and they confirmed it will be a 52-page edition with laminated cover and spine.

Think the monthly magazine might have been dropped.

32 minutes ago, StaffsRam said:

Not just the third tier:

01:00 in, makes a mug of Viv Anderson…

Just watched the clip. Never mind Gary Mickleover, what a player Deano was. 

2 hours ago, Sparkle said:

Yes you can when they have signed a contract to work for you and they can’t walk out of it without everyone’s agreement 

2 hours ago, Tyler Durden said:

You can if it's with another employer when said employee is already contracted solely to work for their existing employer.

Perfectly reasonable.

Actually, you still can't. Though what you can do is sue for breach of contract.

And, in the particular case of a professional footballer, as their most likely employers are all part of a 'membership cartel', they may struggle to find anywhere to ply their trade.

1 hour ago, i-Ram said:

Came on here looking for actual and verifiable facts.  When will I learn.

This is a forum for opinions, so you are looking in the wrong place.

For actual and verifiable facts I suggest you go to Derbyshire Live.... Actually, best stay right here.

1 hour ago, Wolfie20 said:

On that basis wouldn't every contract be meaningless? The key issue with Buchanan and Byrne seems to be whether the extension was permissible given the Clubs' change of ownership - if it was then surely they can't possibly have a valid case otherwise every contract can potentially be broken using restraint of trade as the reason.

52 minutes ago, Crewton said:

He's not being stopped from plying his trade. He was expected back at Derby to finish his contract.

Of course, if he has a valid contract then there is no restraint; the point being made is about holding his registration if he is deemed not to be in contract, which is very likley to be within the boundaries of restraint of trade.

There has been quite a bit of chatter to suggest that the club can hold on to his registration without a contract and that can not happen - at least I don't think it can.

As I have said before, I doubt this dispute is over TUPE - that has most likely cropped up through lazy journalism. It is more likely to be contract law and that extension clauses within the contract may not have been legally triggered due to a change of control to one of the contracting parties or through an insolvency event.

Of course, pure speculation.

1 hour ago, RadioactiveWaste said:

In terms of his registration, wasn't the bosman ruling that clubs couldn't hold the registration to demand a fee if the player wasn't contracted?

There are also restraint of trade issues. You can’t stop someone from earning a living from practicing their recognised profession. 

Some friendlies tonight are to be played as three 30 minute 'thirds' to combat the heat and offer greater player welfare during pre-season; anyone heard if that is the case for Stevenage vs Derby?

Mind you, we don't have enough players to change the team twice in a game!

The over-arching requirement of a League-enforced post-Administration business plan is a break-even policy, and you'd think that applied to all levels of expenditure, whether that be player wages, player acquisition costs or club running costs.

In his long career, the only club he made more appearances for than for Derby was Fenerbahçe - and that was only five more.

(According to Wikipedia)

18 minutes ago, RadioactiveWaste said:

Preseason friendly, 6800 is quite good.

 

And is higher than the average attendance of half of League One last season.

Is it now just Fozzy of the 'out of contracts' still to decide their future?

All others have either re-signed or left the club?

(I'm counting Byrne as 'in contract')

1 hour ago, BaaLocks said:

Interesting rumours I just heard - apparently Kemar will only come here if we agree to provide accomodation for his grandmother. It sounds legit - my source called it the Kemar Nan clause.

Granny flat Roofe conversion?

In ‘RooneyBall’ football (which I presume Rosenior had a very large hand in shaping) it’s not so much about the two holding midfielders, it’s more about the creativity capabilities of your full backs. 

53 minutes ago, SamUltraRam said:

Northampton fans seem to think a fee of between £250k & £500k would be asked - 1 year left on contract

Wasn't it suggested in some quarters that the Buchanan compensation would be circa £400k? About covers it.