StarterForTen

59 minutes ago, StrawHillRam said:

no interest at all

I've been to a few PPJT finals and believe me, they are cracking days out!

Derby vs Wednesday next April would be great.

Just need to win about six games to get there mind you.

2 minutes ago, EnigmaRam said:

This is the bit I don’t get. Surely the minus 15 and the golden share are 2 separate entities? Afterall, Who cares about minus 15 if we’re kicked out the league!!!

My understanding (though not ITK on this) is that EFL membership is lost if we fail to pay football creditors in full. If the football creditors are paid in full, but the exit from administration otherwise fails the EFL's rules (for example on the minimum terms to all non-football creditors) then a points penalty is likely.

What I am not at all sure about is what the exit rules are for preferential creditors that are not classed as football creditors (for example HMRC) but I would suggest they will fall into the same 25% (35% over three years) bracket as unsecured creditors. If that is the case, then the difference between no points penalty and a points penalty might be as much as £10m.

27 minutes ago, De22Ram said:

The end of the day the whole football finicial system is broke! Clubs are encouraged to gamble and spend big to get into the prem, then if they go down get the parachute payments! I dont know how to fix it but i know for sure its broke! 

When the flesh is so rotten that it stinks, the only answer is amputation.

Let 30 clubs cut away into a ring-fenced circus of football consumption - the Big Ten in one league playing each other four times a year to keep the TV money spinning, and 20 contender wannabes just below. The rest of the football pyramid is then left without a golden goose's egg to chase.

If that means Derby can only be the 31st best team in England, but I get to see a decent standard of football with sporting integrity and a sense of belonging, then that is mighty fine with me.

9 minutes ago, Stuniverse said:

Of the U24s, looks like Kornell McDonald, Isaac Hutchinson, Alex Matthews, Tyree Wilson and Harvey Randle have been released.

Or at least not yet offered new terms?

Lists Nathan Byrne and Lee Buchanan as contracted players, so assume the suggestion the club had extensions they could take up is true?

Also suggests new terms have been offered to some younger players out of contract - didn't think we could?

28 minutes ago, Wignall12 said:

More worrying is why he has TWO left hands !!

Always worth having three arms in case a hand gets caught in the till.

Really does feel like we are back to square 1 today and the most alarming thing about that is it might mean we need another 2,000 pages on this forum topic before we're back to almost not being disappointed.

Perfect opportunity for Curtis to step up onto the first rung of management.... apart from the fact we need him to play 46 matches again for us next season!

14 minutes ago, Barney1991 said:

They are getting to close to removing membership you can just sense it they’ve had enough 

The pressure is really mounting on Quantuma. Their performance is finally being scrutinised in the wider public domain. Most observers are now focusing on them and how poorly they have managed this whole situation. 

7 minutes ago, RipleyRich said:

So who would take the additional place in L1 then

 

No one. Relegations and promotions were all confirmed at the EFL AGM this week. If ANY club fails from now on it would just mean a reduced league - like when Bury went through. 

1 minute ago, Rolleston said:

Take a look at this

https://twitter.com/search?q=derby county takeover&src=typed_query&f=live

That would be official with two l's?

4 minutes ago, NottmRAM said:

He always wanted to be number one anyway. He would probably have been off next season regardless.

A little ironic that Rosenior could be a Championship club manager and Rooney a League One boss.

That's not intended to be a slight on LR; I hope fe does well if he gets the gig.

So Admins sell all contracted players that can produce a fee. Then liquidate for whatever they can get as, with the cash in the bank, they get first dibs on it to pay their bill.

'DCFC 2022 Ltd' buys the 'assets' (brand, badge, etc) and negotiates with the EFL to enter at L2 level next season.

Is that the Mike Ashley plan?

4 minutes ago, Animal is a Ram said:

Still think this is Sky being fed by MA + team.

Would Steve Morgan need a backer? Last Times rich list had it worth about £800m.

5 minutes ago, PistoldPete said:

Kirchner has already lost his exclusivity hasn't he? Isn't that what the admin statement last night  says they are talking to other parties? BBC and Sky Sports seem to think Kirchner has lost his exclusivity already.   

In the sense that the Admins are now engaging with other parties, then yes he has. But if CK shows 'acceptable' evidence of his ability to complete by 5pm today then - subject to EFL approval - the Club is his.

The joint fee was £6.8m, with performance related additionals of £3.75m. I was told that by an SUFC official of the time.

Even though Bogle was regarded as the more valuable asset, the initial fee was spilt 50-50 across the two players, most likely to avoid paying too much to Swindon as they had a profit clause on him.

The 15% sell-on clause is on the profit above the initial fee, so if Lowe (or Bogle for that matter) is sold for more than £3.4m, Derby will see 15% of the rest. For example, Lowe goes for £5m (not saying he would!) DCFC cop for £240k.

Are we all just filibustering now to get to 1884?

Perhaps one for @Ghost of Clough...?

What would be our guesstimated income for next season if still in Administration and with no loans or external financial support, ie only club generated income?

Given that would most likely mean no Rooney; Knight and Bird sold average crowd would likely be hit. Would we say 15k average?

Income of circa £8m to £10m perhaps? 60% of income on first team player wages?

That would still allow for a 23-player first team squad to be on average wages of £4k-£5k per week.

Just an exercise in confirming that even in a 'Doomsday scenario' the club would still be viable as a League One entity.

And proof for B4 that - no matter what - the Rams will live on!

1 minute ago, Unlucky Alf said:

City paid £51million(must have been in Haarlands contract)his signing on fee alone will keep him warm for many winters to come, As for his wage...£500k a week...that's a guess ?‍♀️

All crazy.

I recounted that quote from Trevor Sinclair on TalkSport to my 82-year old father last night - the one where he was claiming Derby players should be on to their agents for moves because they have bills to pay. I think Jim White countered that he didn't think professional players would be on the breadline for missing a month or two of wages, to which Sinclair retorted: "What about the young ones? They're only on £2k a week'.

Dear old Dad was apoplectic, he almost choked on his Horlicks.

6 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

But atm CK has the bat and the ball.

Well, he's got the bat... the ball appears to be lost in the anti-money-laundering long grass for now!

6 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said:

It'll be hours or days, not weeks and certainly not months. We might lose some players and targets waiting for Kirchner, but we will definitely lose a lot more waiting for Ashley or Appleby to complete a deal at this late stage. Even if either of those two interested parties could complete the deal today, we'll lose more players and possibly coaching staff than if we wait a few days for Kirchner's money to arrive.

If either Ashley or Appleby wanted to, they could complete this purchase within days. There will be sale & purchase documents ready to go - just change a few names.

31 minutes ago, TuffLuff said:

 

Surely a multi-millionaire prospective football club owner can afford more than one golf shirt?

The only 'fact' we can rely on here is that the sale completion has gone beyond the widely acknowledged target date of May 31st.

The reason for that remains speculation - even in the mainstream media output of today, no sources are being referenced.

This comes down to two things - appetite and/or ability.

Either CK has lost his appetite to complete, or his ability to complete has been compromised. If it turns out to be the former then we will see this wither within 24 hours - though he has gone a heck of long way down the road to suddenly get buyer's remorse now. If it is the latter, it all depends on whether the compromising circumstances are temporary (ie funds held up in the system) or permanent (ie funds have been disqualified by the system).

We (ie the Rams collective) are a powder keg of anxiety right now and a wobble or two is lighting the fuse. If it wasn't 10.20am, I'd be reaching for a calming single malt.

20 minutes ago, RadioactiveWaste said:

You're never alone with 30 cats. And at any one time at least 7 of them are figuring out how they're going to kill and eat you.

And the other 23 are turding in my garden it would seem!

39 minutes ago, sage said:

What's the collective noun for a group of pessimists?

 

 

Is it a Toyota Upper Tier (Central Section) of pessimists?