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Just gets better and better.  Could they make this permanent?

Just gets better and better.  Could they make this permanent?

Excellent news. Perhaps we can now have a football programme that just shows football without all the pointless nonsense in between of a bunch of ex players saying nothing of interest or import, whilst robbing licence fee payers of 100s of thousands a year in wages.

Excellent news. Perhaps we can now have a football programme that just shows football without all the pointless nonsense in between of a bunch of ex players saying nothing of interest or import, whilst robbing licence fee payers of 100s of thousands a year in wages.

Excellent news. Perhaps we can now have a football programme that just shows football without all the pointless nonsense in between of a bunch of ex players saying nothing of interest or import, whilst robbing licence fee payers of 100s of thousands a year in wages.

Allegedly, in the South Stand certain genders and younger people get very good signals on their phones throughout the match. Perhaps that’s the place to be. 

Allegedly, in the South Stand certain genders and younger people get very good signals on their phones throughout the match. Perhaps that’s the place to be. 

She wasn't Leeds then - 25 year olds in Leeds explete every 3 words in my experience

I think that it will be impossible to please everyone musically considering the age range of those that are in the ground.  I like the poem, for example, but I know others don't; the music before and at half time is mostly (not always) not what I listen to and tends to be just loud background noise.
I'm not sure that anyone at the club has sat down for a while and asked themselves 'what are we trying to do/what's the point? Or why?'.  SBW and the poem have been added in over the last few years fairly randomly; we haven't tried 'nothing/silence' for many years
For example, are they trying to build an atmosphere, encourage people to start singing/joining in? Are they trying to create familiarity leading up to the players coming out - a repeatable process leading up to a crescendo of noise (as boxers do for their ring walks) that says 'we are at home/we are Derby/here's the event'? Are they doing it for the club, for us or the players or all, or none? Are they trying to drown out opposition fans? Are they trying to maintain or create a 'tradition' or are they perhaps frightened to alter anything now for fear of being criticised for moving away from the familiar?
Presuming that the club has people in place with the skills to create some alternatives (which might not be the case) and they think it's actually an important thing to do (which might not be the case), if they asked themselves the questions and gave it some thought they might end up with a different build up, or something very similar.  There might also be financial limitations with royalties.

At the elite level it's another reason why the premier league is slowly but surely ruining football, aided and abetted by FIFA and the other authorities.  How many qualified referees are taken up every week by the 4th official - who really don't do that much (they cause more arguments on the touchline than they stop, just by being there) - and VAR?  I would hazard a guess that you could probably provide enough officials for a whole EFL division every weekend if you removed all the VAR and 4th officials.
VAR and TV make it worse in my opinion.  Jimmy Hill (who was a qualified referee) has a lot to answer for by what he started - the TV analysis of matches and by extension match officials.  Both TV and VAR show referees and linos making mistake after mistake after mistake, as well as those times when they get things right.  VAR has made it even worse for referees by influencing rule making so that nowadays no one is certain any more what the offside rule is or what is handball or not - two areas of the game which should be pretty obvious in theory.  
At the other end of the scale I agree.  Young Ilkley played Sunday football from age 6 to about 28.  I watched most of his matches and the behaviour of a couple of our team's parents towards referees (no linos) was awful, never mind those from the opposition.  I can easily see why youngsters would give up and why it's a problem.  I hope (even though I hate security cameras on principle) that the latest initiative works but you need to stop it from happening at all rather than just having a record.  
After some we've seen this season, including yesterday's numpty, I find it hard to have sympathy for some of them but I'm pretty sure I wouldn't want to be one.

The ref was poor yesterday - join a very long queue - but there's a real problem with communication between referees and us the paying customer that football generally hasn't tackled.  VAR at least (now) allows communication on screens on the ground, but below the EPL we're treated as mushrooms.
Yesterday on the first goal, the ref originally gave the goal, then was persuaded to talk to the lino who hadn't signalled anything, nor moved back towards the half way line as you might expect if the goal was to stand. Whether the ref was persuaded by earpiece or the players complaining who knows? After some discussion (and surrounded by players from both sides no doubt all adding their views) the lino then clearly signalled offside.  Cheers from us.  Within 5 seconds the ref then points to the half way line - goal awarded.  Boos from us.
Two possibilities.  The lino gave a wrong signal by mistake.  More than likely given their general competence, but odd.  Or the ref/lino compilation were overruled via earpiece by the 4th official who had seen a replay on a monitor by the touchline. 
If the latter, why don't we fans (all fans from all teams) know this is a possibility/is happening? What are the rules around it - is it to be used in 'big' incidents only - goals/sendings off? How accurate is it - does it draw lines across the pitch, for example?  Does every club have the facility for the 4th official - Warne has referred to a monitor near their dugout? And why isn't there communication in the ground?Etc.
And, if there was no 4th official communication, why did the lino clearly signal offside?
The standard of referees in football is at an all time (certainly my 60 years) low, at a time when the standards of players are at an all time high in terms of fitness and speed.  The communication between the sport generally and the fan has never been particularly good in reality but in the use of technology it is little short of appalling - Cricket, Rugbies, tennis, as three examples, do that so, so much better.
 

At the elite level it's another reason why the premier league is slowly but surely ruining football, aided and abetted by FIFA and the other authorities.  How many qualified referees are taken up every week by the 4th official - who really don't do that much (they cause more arguments on the touchline than they stop, just by being there) - and VAR?  I would hazard a guess that you could probably provide enough officials for a whole EFL division every weekend if you removed all the VAR and 4th officials.
VAR and TV make it worse in my opinion.  Jimmy Hill (who was a qualified referee) has a lot to answer for by what he started - the TV analysis of matches and by extension match officials.  Both TV and VAR show referees and linos making mistake after mistake after mistake, as well as those times when they get things right.  VAR has made it even worse for referees by influencing rule making so that nowadays no one is certain any more what the offside rule is or what is handball or not - two areas of the game which should be pretty obvious in theory.  
At the other end of the scale I agree.  Young Ilkley played Sunday football from age 6 to about 28.  I watched most of his matches and the behaviour of a couple of our team's parents towards referees (no linos) was awful, never mind those from the opposition.  I can easily see why youngsters would give up and why it's a problem.  I hope (even though I hate security cameras on principle) that the latest initiative works but you need to stop it from happening at all rather than just having a record.  
After some we've seen this season, including yesterday's numpty, I find it hard to have sympathy for some of them but I'm pretty sure I wouldn't want to be one.

I agree.  But we do have examples over at least the last 2/3 seasons of the 4th official apparently affecting and changing referees' decisions. Perhaps there have been many occasions when that has happened without our knowledge. Sometimes that's worked to our advantage, sometimes not as per refereeing decisions generally over the course of a season.
What, as paying customers, we don't know is what the rules of engagement are, unlike with VAR.  Nor do we know when the 4th official chooses to get involved or how - do they rely on their eyesight from across a crowded pitch for example, or do they have access to a monitor?  Can they demand (of RamsTV) that they show a replay of an incident, or do they wait until one is shown? Do they have more than one angle/slow motion? Are they not allowed to get involved at all?  The possibility is clearly there for RamsTV (and all other clubTV channels) to influence a game in such circumstances - only show replays of incidents involving the other side/to DCFC's advantage etc.   Perhaps @Owen87ITK will know. 
My own view is that there should be no 4th official at any match.  If you want a substitution board operator and boot checker then train a 6 year old but don't waste a 'qualified' referee that might be better used elsewhere.  If an official gets injured then make a tannoy announcement as in days gone by.  But then I hate VAR too.
Equally, if 4th officials are being used to provide views by earpiece to referees on the pitch as to the decisions they should be making outside of VARland, then we fans should know about it and should be aware when it has been/is being used

I agree.  But we do have examples over at least the last 2/3 seasons of the 4th official apparently affecting and changing referees' decisions. Perhaps there have been many occasions when that has happened without our knowledge. Sometimes that's worked to our advantage, sometimes not as per refereeing decisions generally over the course of a season.
What, as paying customers, we don't know is what the rules of engagement are, unlike with VAR.  Nor do we know when the 4th official chooses to get involved or how - do they rely on their eyesight from across a crowded pitch for example, or do they have access to a monitor?  Can they demand (of RamsTV) that they show a replay of an incident, or do they wait until one is shown? Do they have more than one angle/slow motion? Are they not allowed to get involved at all?  The possibility is clearly there for RamsTV (and all other clubTV channels) to influence a game in such circumstances - only show replays of incidents involving the other side/to DCFC's advantage etc.   Perhaps @Owen87ITK will know. 
My own view is that there should be no 4th official at any match.  If you want a substitution board operator and boot checker then train a 6 year old but don't waste a 'qualified' referee that might be better used elsewhere.  If an official gets injured then make a tannoy announcement as in days gone by.  But then I hate VAR too.
Equally, if 4th officials are being used to provide views by earpiece to referees on the pitch as to the decisions they should be making outside of VARland, then we fans should know about it and should be aware when it has been/is being used

The ref was poor yesterday - join a very long queue - but there's a real problem with communication between referees and us the paying customer that football generally hasn't tackled.  VAR at least (now) allows communication on screens on the ground, but below the EPL we're treated as mushrooms.
Yesterday on the first goal, the ref originally gave the goal, then was persuaded to talk to the lino who hadn't signalled anything, nor moved back towards the half way line as you might expect if the goal was to stand. Whether the ref was persuaded by earpiece or the players complaining who knows? After some discussion (and surrounded by players from both sides no doubt all adding their views) the lino then clearly signalled offside.  Cheers from us.  Within 5 seconds the ref then points to the half way line - goal awarded.  Boos from us.
Two possibilities.  The lino gave a wrong signal by mistake.  More than likely given their general competence, but odd.  Or the ref/lino compilation were overruled via earpiece by the 4th official who had seen a replay on a monitor by the touchline. 
If the latter, why don't we fans (all fans from all teams) know this is a possibility/is happening? What are the rules around it - is it to be used in 'big' incidents only - goals/sendings off? How accurate is it - does it draw lines across the pitch, for example?  Does every club have the facility for the 4th official - Warne has referred to a monitor near their dugout? And why isn't there communication in the ground?Etc.
And, if there was no 4th official communication, why did the lino clearly signal offside?
The standard of referees in football is at an all time (certainly my 60 years) low, at a time when the standards of players are at an all time high in terms of fitness and speed.  The communication between the sport generally and the fan has never been particularly good in reality but in the use of technology it is little short of appalling - Cricket, Rugbies, tennis, as three examples, do that so, so much better.
 

The ref was poor yesterday - join a very long queue - but there's a real problem with communication between referees and us the paying customer that football generally hasn't tackled.  VAR at least (now) allows communication on screens on the ground, but below the EPL we're treated as mushrooms.
Yesterday on the first goal, the ref originally gave the goal, then was persuaded to talk to the lino who hadn't signalled anything, nor moved back towards the half way line as you might expect if the goal was to stand. Whether the ref was persuaded by earpiece or the players complaining who knows? After some discussion (and surrounded by players from both sides no doubt all adding their views) the lino then clearly signalled offside.  Cheers from us.  Within 5 seconds the ref then points to the half way line - goal awarded.  Boos from us.
Two possibilities.  The lino gave a wrong signal by mistake.  More than likely given their general competence, but odd.  Or the ref/lino compilation were overruled via earpiece by the 4th official who had seen a replay on a monitor by the touchline. 
If the latter, why don't we fans (all fans from all teams) know this is a possibility/is happening? What are the rules around it - is it to be used in 'big' incidents only - goals/sendings off? How accurate is it - does it draw lines across the pitch, for example?  Does every club have the facility for the 4th official - Warne has referred to a monitor near their dugout? And why isn't there communication in the ground?Etc.
And, if there was no 4th official communication, why did the lino clearly signal offside?
The standard of referees in football is at an all time (certainly my 60 years) low, at a time when the standards of players are at an all time high in terms of fitness and speed.  The communication between the sport generally and the fan has never been particularly good in reality but in the use of technology it is little short of appalling - Cricket, Rugbies, tennis, as three examples, do that so, so much better.
 

The ref was poor yesterday - join a very long queue - but there's a real problem with communication between referees and us the paying customer that football generally hasn't tackled.  VAR at least (now) allows communication on screens on the ground, but below the EPL we're treated as mushrooms.
Yesterday on the first goal, the ref originally gave the goal, then was persuaded to talk to the lino who hadn't signalled anything, nor moved back towards the half way line as you might expect if the goal was to stand. Whether the ref was persuaded by earpiece or the players complaining who knows? After some discussion (and surrounded by players from both sides no doubt all adding their views) the lino then clearly signalled offside.  Cheers from us.  Within 5 seconds the ref then points to the half way line - goal awarded.  Boos from us.
Two possibilities.  The lino gave a wrong signal by mistake.  More than likely given their general competence, but odd.  Or the ref/lino compilation were overruled via earpiece by the 4th official who had seen a replay on a monitor by the touchline. 
If the latter, why don't we fans (all fans from all teams) know this is a possibility/is happening? What are the rules around it - is it to be used in 'big' incidents only - goals/sendings off? How accurate is it - does it draw lines across the pitch, for example?  Does every club have the facility for the 4th official - Warne has referred to a monitor near their dugout? And why isn't there communication in the ground?Etc.
And, if there was no 4th official communication, why did the lino clearly signal offside?
The standard of referees in football is at an all time (certainly my 60 years) low, at a time when the standards of players are at an all time high in terms of fitness and speed.  The communication between the sport generally and the fan has never been particularly good in reality but in the use of technology it is little short of appalling - Cricket, Rugbies, tennis, as three examples, do that so, so much better.
 

Just like us Chelsea's accountants found a perfectly legal loophole in the amortisation regulations - give a player a longer contract, amortise their fee over a longer period = more FFP wriggle room.
Uefa eventually spotted it, closed the loophole - contracts are still allowed to be 8 years if the clubs wish but amortisation must be over 5 years maximum - and Chelsea are still allowed to play in Europe.  The EPL so far as anyone can see haven't said or done anything.  Presumably they didn't spot it as a loophole (or let Uefa take the flak).
The EFL could learn from Uefa about how to close loopholes fairly.
Apparently Chelsea still have plenty of FFP room even after spending 100's of millions.  Whether anybody in authority is actually testing that is probably unlikely

It'll be (vaguely) interesting to know whether these are the same charges that UEFA charged them on, banned them from European competition for a couple of years (never enacted) which was then overturned in CAS. Or something new.
My guess would be that they're broadly the same and that the outcome, nothing, will be the same with lawyers the only winners
Interesting that Chelsea found an amortisation loophole that UEFA closed down with no retrospective action.  Pity the EFL didn't treat us with the same level of fairness

It'll be (vaguely) interesting to know whether these are the same charges that UEFA charged them on, banned them from European competition for a couple of years (never enacted) which was then overturned in CAS. Or something new.
My guess would be that they're broadly the same and that the outcome, nothing, will be the same with lawyers the only winners
Interesting that Chelsea found an amortisation loophole that UEFA closed down with no retrospective action.  Pity the EFL didn't treat us with the same level of fairness

Colin Kazim-Richards 

It'll be (vaguely) interesting to know whether these are the same charges that UEFA charged them on, banned them from European competition for a couple of years (never enacted) which was then overturned in CAS. Or something new.
My guess would be that they're broadly the same and that the outcome, nothing, will be the same with lawyers the only winners
Interesting that Chelsea found an amortisation loophole that UEFA closed down with no retrospective action.  Pity the EFL didn't treat us with the same level of fairness

So presumably the CPS have judged that there isn't enough evidence to pursue the case and therefore he is innocent and can continue his career should he wish to and should anyone wish to employ him.
Except that the court of public opinion is not so understanding and that almost any club in the UK would find it almost impossible to employ him due to pressure from fans, sponsors and local/national media.
I have no liking of them but Man Utd are in an impossible situation - they can probably only pay his contract up and let him go, unless they sell him abroad.

He looks like sibley’s brother 

Perhaps we need Richard Money back