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42 minutes ago, CornwallRam said:

It's just occurred to me that it would be brilliant to have something like a hundred statues of our most historic figures around Pride Park...I'm thinking of a Ram's version of Gormley's Another Place.

We should have William Morley and our 'saviours' Webb, Gadsby and Clowes. Obviously we'd have maybe our 50 greatest players and many of our managers, but then it could be fun to have some villains. Keogh, Bennett and Lawrence for Joiner's gate. Mel for being a worse owner than actual criminals. Sam Longson for accepting that resignation. Paul Jewell for for his home movie and that season. Kenny Burns for being the most irritating of ex-players.

It would be a fantastic way to celebrate the club's re-birth and an acknowledgement that supporting Derby is a bit different, but never, ever boring.

I can just imagine taking kids to the ground and being asked who that statue is? It would actually be a great way to connect through the generations. 

COYR

Robert Maxwell saved us once.............

54 minutes ago, Foxy Ram said:

 

I love watching Cashin play and I’ll love watching him develop. I hope that he’s got a contract that he’s really happy with because he deserves it. But he’s not Colin Todd and never will be. He can tackle like Toddy, is as strong and is similar in height, can learn to read the game as well as Toddy did, can bring the ball out of defence and pass as well as Toddy did and is a good header of the ball and you can see he loves defending, just as Toddy did. But. You can’t learn raw pace.

I once saw Toddy give Malcolm MacDonald a couple of yards start at the BBG, turn, catch him up and took the ball off him. MM could do 100m in around 10 seconds. He was seriously quick. Toddy was as quick. Cashin will, like Curtis has done, learn that good positioning will allow him to overcome that weakness in his game

22 minutes ago, angieram said:

Four comments about Eiran Cashin?

Best signing of the night, imo. 

Agreed. Especially in L1.  It’ll be a great place for him to learn even more about the game. 

2 hours ago, Rammeister said:

That’s not red, it’s cherry.

1 hour ago, David said:

The Premier League has too much power to see the rules change.

What we need is a change of mindset in younger players, but how many of us at the age of 17/18 would turn down 15k+ a week to sign for say Chelsea?

These kids can sit it out on their Chelsea wages, be sent to play a few games in Holland and Belgium, join a Championship club at 26 off the back of being raised at the Chelsea academy and play regular football for 5 years, retire and never have to work again. 

Ebiowei for example would have played every game for us this season when fit and available, now he’ll be watching Soccer Saturday in his London penthouse wearing his Gucci fluffy slippers earning more than double he would have to get smashed about away at Morecambe.

How could you possibly knock that?

Gone are the days where these younger players are cleaning first team boots, hoping for their Christmas bonus to help buy their first car, a used Vauxhall Corsa.

So yeah, I can’t see much changing.

I think that you're probably correct that not much will change @David - mainly due to the incompetence and impotence of the EFL - but some younger players (Mason Mount for example) do work hard at developing their career even while being on big wages.  Harry Wilson and Tomori might be other examples and who knows, Ebiowei may yet do the same, with us or someone else. Ditto Luke Plange. The basic model - of wealthier clubs using their buying power to hoover up the better younger players - isn't going to change much soon though and the online availability of games at younger levels plus the presence of agents adds to the power - there's too much information.  Perhaps players shouldn't be allowed agents until they're 18; perhaps film of younger players shouldn't be available; perhaps younger players shouldn't be allowed to transfer clubs until they're 18?

I think that clubs like ours have to show our worth as developers of talent in order to compete - the facilities at Moor Farm are key, so too the level of coaching and the environment, and, above all, a route to the first team.  We fans can help by being supportive of the younger players and their inevitable errors, as we did last year particularly, but haven't always done.

The biggest change needed though is in football finance - the distribution/redistribution of TV revenues (little chance of that happening) and the impact of parachute payments, especially from PL to Championship, though its impact will begin to be felt lower down too 

19 hours ago, europia said:

Roughly the same as next years average monthly gas/electric bill then? Bargain??

And if you spend loads of time in the nice warm concourses while switching the heating off at home you could probably make money on the deal. Result, in more ways than one ?

2 hours ago, WhiteHorseRam said:

Just don't live near big navigable rivers or on the coast.

 

In 793 Lindisfarne Monastery got trashed by the Vikings. The monks had a state-of-the-art ADT home system and it didn't help them.

 

It's why I have a broadsword under my bed.

How often do you call Danny boy?

2 hours ago, Mucker1884 said:

Why?  Is he coming back?  ?‍♂️

Don't tell Carl Sagan for Gods sake

20 minutes ago, Mihangel said:

Good to hear, I don't think we'll see too much of Clowes in the public arena.

Pedant mode - I don't believe British Midland had any 747s ?

I hope we do hear from him even if it’s only via RamsTV. We should know our new owner.

We are likely to have a difficult first part of the season - new manager (even if it is LR), new players (hopefully), budget restrictions, new division against new teams and different styles of play. It’s not beyond the bounds of possibility that the goodwill towards him and the players lessens; it’s not impossible that we have difficult spells of results. Those are the times when the club’s leaders need to be visible and vocal. Liam might need the pressure taking off him. 

9 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

You just know there's a joke there somewhere... ?

He doesn’t look old enough to have fought in WW1

8 minutes ago, inter politics said:

If we are starting -15, that might explain Rooney's decision and statement comments

It might. If it were the case. But

Everything we’ve heard over the last 24 hours suggests that Clowes, Q and the EFL have been talking regularly, that the EFL are happy with Clowes as owner. There’s been nothing from the EFL that suggests we are due a points deduction or anything from Q. And why would a Derby fan spending millions putting his club back together do a deal that starts our season on -15? It would make no sense.

Rooney’s spent much of the last few weeks on holidays with his family. He might have enjoyed being with them, missed being with them and not looked forward to coming back to another difficult season, which it probably will be Clowes or not. He seemed to like CK, wanted Stretford and Cook around him, probably wanted to have started the rebuild a few weeks ago, has probably missed out on some targets he had lined up. Maybe some of the players he wanted to stay have said they’re not. Maybe it’s simply that he just doesn’t have the energy it needs as a result. Something a new manager, Rosenior or not, should have in spades.

4 minutes ago, BuckoBeast said:

I might be being stupid. So he’s purchased the stadium and agreed a loan for securing the immediate future, where does it say he’ll submit a bid for the club. He’s not the stop gap right 

Says it in lines 4 and 5.

Elsewhere it says he’ll submit a bid today. Two things on that - it means they’ve been working on the bid for a while to submit it today and secondly that it still has to be approved, by creditors and by the courts, presumably. So not a done deal but hopefully Q will know what will be acceptable and will have been guiding the bid creation. Huge step forward therefore. 
It’ll be interesting to see what we are allowed to do regarding players and how quickly. By the sounds of it the EFL have been part of the discussions and will have signed up to the plans. 
Still wouldn’t be surprised if others join him in the future.

7 minutes ago, I DONT MIND said:

Bar t'At ?

always ?

24 minutes ago, Shipley Ram said:

Will you be going? I will, I could walk there from my house.

I will @Shipley Ram.  Quick trip over the Moor!

2 minutes ago, Caerphilly Ram said:

pre season games!

Bradford!!  Whoop whoop

1 hour ago, PistoldPete said:

I don’t see it like that. Do Brighton or Brentford get bigger tv audiences than Derby? I don’t think so. They are effectively getting handouts too from the big clubs. All it takes is for those handouts to be more evenly distributed across the leagues. 

It’s the same argument put forward by the ‘big’ clubs - we make the money, you redistribute it. Their solution is different though - we make the money, we should keep it. Let the smaller clubs keep whatever they can make.

Football as a whole lost the argument way before the PL came into being when the forerunner of the EFL agreed that home gate receipts didn’t have to be shared, that the well supported clubs, aka the big clubs, could keep all the home gate receipts (except in the FA cup because that’s run by a different organisation). They agreed it to stop (although they didn’t know what it was going to be called) the formation of the PL, because the administrators then realised that what is happening now would happen if the PL was formed - that the rich get richer and greedier and less bothered about other clubs. And that true competition would slowly disappear. So it has come to pass. The only thing they didn’t really understand was that TV money rather than gate receipts would be the catalyst for inequity.

In those days the game was run by better administrators than we have today, people who had more power, better vision, albeit sometimes behind the times (see kit sponsorship for example) and were better leaders than the bunch we have now. The FA and EFL are pathetically run, powerless organisations managed by feckless individuals with no leadership, vision or standing on the national or international stage. They used to be led by people who were better than the people who ran the clubs and, although we didn’t realise it, were more in tune with fans than we gave them credit for.

Mel may get criticised for a lot of things in this parish, and in some areas rightly so, but his views on the EFL (and wider football authorities) are 100% spot on. It’s to football’s eternal shame (and inevitable destruction imo) that in expressing his views he has been targeted and destroyed. In other industries he might be referred to as a whistleblower and protected.

11 minutes ago, B4ev6is said:

Well one thing when we had appley before we had wins over forest now but one thing is for sure there wont be silly spend but more danceable spending and he will got good links to good players in the uk and in the states and other parts of the world.

takes two to Tango on the spending front

6 minutes ago, Seth's left foot said:

I’d even take back Jewell as Manager if it meant saving the club ? ???

I wonder if/when AA signs on the dotted line we’ll get ‘that’ When Harry Met Sally moment…

It must be the first time that the words 'Jewell' and 'save the club' have been written in the same sentence for a fair old while

2 hours ago, Coconut's Beard said:

The indefensiblely uncouth behaviour displayed within their fellowship upon their descent toward an establishment more comfortable with the more civilised citizens of the circumambient conurbation! 

Yes, I did use an online thesaurus to try to find more alliteratively attractive alternative words for 'surrounding' and 'areas'. I could not, however, find one for 'comfortable' which would have been a more appealing linguistic suitor. 

Were you ever a scriptwriter for Yes Minister?

1 minute ago, Crewton said:

Hmmm.... what d'ye reckon? ?

Dad?

25 minutes ago, i-Ram said:

Ha. You think HMRC and the EFL are going to allow the club to splash some cash over the next couple of seasons. No hope and …

 

Road to Utopia…….

9 minutes ago, WhiteHorseRam said:

I have started doing my texts etc in the Nixon-stylee -

 

Just going to Tesco ... could be pie tonight  ? big dinners in the days ahead..

Where shall we go on holiday? Beach holiday perhaps, or maybe the moon?

I'm in B & Q looking at wallpaper                  ?

Try Morrisons. Fish is better. Don’t know about big dinners. Little and often might be better 

Not got much leave left. Don’t mind where. Like swimming against the tide. Mars would be warmer this time of the season.

Prefer a matt finish meself so flock off.

1 hour ago, AndyinLiverpool said:

Could anybody suggest a way in which this could be a bigger fiasco?

Yup. What if we’d had no bidders at all, no one willing to pay anything with Q trying to drum up non existent interest from around the world? Or what if the sheikh and alonso were it?  That would be a bigger fiasco.
From the outside it looks as if we have 3 possible bidders (at least) all of whom have good credentials for running a football club, one of them is so keen on winning our business that he’s prepared to threaten to take the decision makers to court in order to make winning more likely. Whether it will ever get to court is a whole different matter. This is a negotiating tactic first and foremost to put pressure on.

1 hour ago, CornwallRam said:

This is what I'm struggling to understand- if Appleby has made a bid, why is the process ongoing?

Unless something drastic has happened, he'll walk the fit and proper test. I can't believe someone of his standing would bid without secured funding. If Appleby has bid enough to take us out of administration and retain the golden share, why has his hand not been snapped off?...assuming it hasn't. Same would go for Ashley or Morgan.

The only conclusion I can draw is that the bid isn't sufficient to retain the golden share. So why haven't Quantuma said, 'no bids can be accepted of less than £21m (or whatever the base figure happens to be), as they won't be sufficient to retain the golden share.

At this point, surely it can't be that complicated - there must be an actual minimum figure, unless everyone is trying to square HMRC

 

It's probably because there's a process with timescales that allow new bidders (the Q press release refers to bidders who have had less access to the data room than others) to catch up, not only with the information in the data room but also the time to create and then submit their bid - in a similar way to the others so that it can be analysed on the same basis. The process has to be fair to every bidder and give every possible bidder the opportunity to bid.

What the process or timescales are we haven't been told. Presumably the EFL would like that to be early next week at the latest so that there's a chance of a decision on the successful bidder before the fixture list release but the EFL must be making contingency plans for that to slip (two fixture lists perhaps, one with us in L1, one without us?).

We've been told that they're full and final bids with no allowances, so if Q are as good as their word then we might get a decision in the next 7 days.  I would have thought that there will be two options over continuing short term player/staff wage funding - friendly local businesses and/or the successful bidder. 

The problem with the successful bidder option is that they will not become the actual owner until we are out of administration and that is very unlikely to be as soon as next week given the discussions with creditors/EFL and others that have to take place - so the successful bidder either has to take the financial risk or someone else has to step forward - ditto player/manager contracts.  The only ways that might be short circuited is either if Kirchner is the successful bidder because his money comes through or the successful bidder says that he/she will take the risk.