ilkleyram
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8 minutes ago, therealhantsram said:
Here's a random idea - let's just have a MOTD with just football. No chat, no presenters, maybe no commentators either. Just footie that we can make our own minds on what's good/bad, right or wrong. You never know we might be able to have more actual football to fill the available time
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15 minutes ago, Tyler Durden said:
I made the point earlier, there is no difference in UK employment law in saying a comment in work time or outside of work if in either circumstances it contravenes the employers values or standards, or could be seen to compromise the integrity of the employer if it is easily linked back to them.
Spot on - every organisation, publicly financed or commercial, will be interested in what their employees say inside or outside work, if what is said is detrimental to the organisation. It's one of the reasons we have whistleblowing legislation, to protect the rights of workers to say something publicly about the organisation they work for if it's in the public interest to do so.
That's not the same as limiting what employees might think, which is completely different.
Whether he likes it or not Lineker has previous. He's pushed and pushed the BBC's management by expressing his own political views on social media over and over again, despite warnings. The BBC (and by extension their employees) have to be seen to be as neutral from the Government of the day as they possibly can be and Lineker has made that harder and harder for them for some time.
And it's not just the Tories either - Alistair Campbell was brutal to any journalist/media organisation that said anything critical of then Labour party policy. They all seek to influence the media's output, all the time.
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Excellent news. Perhaps we can now have a football programme that just shows football without all the pointless nonsense in between of a bunch of ex players saying nothing of interest or import, whilst robbing licence fee payers of 100s of thousands a year in wages.
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Allegedly, in the South Stand certain genders and younger people get very good signals on their phones throughout the match. Perhaps that’s the place to be.
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4 hours ago, i-Ram said:
So amusing, as many were from Newcastle, but Leeds and Liverpool residents gave them much competition. I loved the grumpy wife/rum and coke observation too.
Regarding People loading their plates like jenga and leaving it just because they can. There was one classic example where a very attractive 25’ish women sat next to us, and all was good until she opened her mouth. Must have been Leeds I would think, but every 5th word was an expletive of some kind. Anyway despite having 2 knives and forks, and a desert fork/spoon, on the table, she returned from her first and only foray to the buffet with a horrendous plate of food. Salad, chips, spaghetti bolognese, beef bourguignon and various meats. All piled up like a plate of sick. And on top was a slice of pizza which I don’t know whether she selected to eat, or it was simply a make-do ledge on which she had put a slice of cake. She did eat quite a bit of it to be fair, and fortunately with her mouth closed. Small mercies.
She wasn't Leeds then - 25 year olds in Leeds explete every 3 words in my experience
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I think that it will be impossible to please everyone musically considering the age range of those that are in the ground. I like the poem, for example, but I know others don't; the music before and at half time is mostly (not always) not what I listen to and tends to be just loud background noise.
I'm not sure that anyone at the club has sat down for a while and asked themselves 'what are we trying to do/what's the point? Or why?'. SBW and the poem have been added in over the last few years fairly randomly; we haven't tried 'nothing/silence' for many years
For example, are they trying to build an atmosphere, encourage people to start singing/joining in? Are they trying to create familiarity leading up to the players coming out - a repeatable process leading up to a crescendo of noise (as boxers do for their ring walks) that says 'we are at home/we are Derby/here's the event'? Are they doing it for the club, for us or the players or all, or none? Are they trying to drown out opposition fans? Are they trying to maintain or create a 'tradition' or are they perhaps frightened to alter anything now for fear of being criticised for moving away from the familiar?
Presuming that the club has people in place with the skills to create some alternatives (which might not be the case) and they think it's actually an important thing to do (which might not be the case), if they asked themselves the questions and gave it some thought they might end up with a different build up, or something very similar. There might also be financial limitations with royalties.
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54 minutes ago, The Last Post said:
One reason is Refs aren't coming through the ranks, 1000s are leaving in their droves through abuse, Intimidation, Violent assaults and threats of violence, The ones we see are being fast tracked into the EFL, EPL refs(professional)are being cherry picked from the EFL, That's not a mark of a good ref, Just a mark that someone somewhere marked you as good...the ass...essor
I'm no fan of todays officials, They don't use common sense only hard and fast rules, One reason...the assessor in the stand, They mark you on performance, Perform well and maybe a promotion to the EPL and a fat contract, TV/VAR has shown why the standard of refs are at an all time low, Think of this, 1 poor decision and we've had more than our fare share(as no doubt so have others)can scupper all the hard work in a season by the blow of a whistle.
At the elite level it's another reason why the premier league is slowly but surely ruining football, aided and abetted by FIFA and the other authorities. How many qualified referees are taken up every week by the 4th official - who really don't do that much (they cause more arguments on the touchline than they stop, just by being there) - and VAR? I would hazard a guess that you could probably provide enough officials for a whole EFL division every weekend if you removed all the VAR and 4th officials.
VAR and TV make it worse in my opinion. Jimmy Hill (who was a qualified referee) has a lot to answer for by what he started - the TV analysis of matches and by extension match officials. Both TV and VAR show referees and linos making mistake after mistake after mistake, as well as those times when they get things right. VAR has made it even worse for referees by influencing rule making so that nowadays no one is certain any more what the offside rule is or what is handball or not - two areas of the game which should be pretty obvious in theory.
At the other end of the scale I agree. Young Ilkley played Sunday football from age 6 to about 28. I watched most of his matches and the behaviour of a couple of our team's parents towards referees (no linos) was awful, never mind those from the opposition. I can easily see why youngsters would give up and why it's a problem. I hope (even though I hate security cameras on principle) that the latest initiative works but you need to stop it from happening at all rather than just having a record.
After some we've seen this season, including yesterday's numpty, I find it hard to have sympathy for some of them but I'm pretty sure I wouldn't want to be one.
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6 minutes ago, DavesaRam said:
Well either we have VAR in League or we don’t. Actually we don’t, so the 4th official watching a separate monitor should not be getting involved. So no goal, Derby’s heads don’t go down and so maybe we handle the GBH football better.
Feasible?
I agree. But we do have examples over at least the last 2/3 seasons of the 4th official apparently affecting and changing referees' decisions. Perhaps there have been many occasions when that has happened without our knowledge. Sometimes that's worked to our advantage, sometimes not as per refereeing decisions generally over the course of a season.
What, as paying customers, we don't know is what the rules of engagement are, unlike with VAR. Nor do we know when the 4th official chooses to get involved or how - do they rely on their eyesight from across a crowded pitch for example, or do they have access to a monitor? Can they demand (of RamsTV) that they show a replay of an incident, or do they wait until one is shown? Do they have more than one angle/slow motion? Are they not allowed to get involved at all? The possibility is clearly there for RamsTV (and all other clubTV channels) to influence a game in such circumstances - only show replays of incidents involving the other side/to DCFC's advantage etc. Perhaps @Owen87ITK will know.
My own view is that there should be no 4th official at any match. If you want a substitution board operator and boot checker then train a 6 year old but don't waste a 'qualified' referee that might be better used elsewhere. If an official gets injured then make a tannoy announcement as in days gone by. But then I hate VAR too.
Equally, if 4th officials are being used to provide views by earpiece to referees on the pitch as to the decisions they should be making outside of VARland, then we fans should know about it and should be aware when it has been/is being used
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8 hours ago, Rich84 said:
Not read everything in here but here's my take on today from the stands.
We were too predictable in possession, looking for the ball down the channel or big diagonal pass, which clearly they were prepared for, the biggest problem was we had no midfield 1st half, so no other options out of defence, missing Bird.
They were stronger, quicker, more energetic and looked the better team from the start, we were way too passive, especially in the absent midfield, hence the defence got overrun at times. The 3rd goal a perfect example, it started from our throw at the half way line, lost the ball too easily and barely an attempt at a challenge.
As for the offside goal, my opinion which I said to those around me at the time, I thought he was in an offside position, but the ball came to him from an attempt to clear which came back off a Derby player (Knight?) it was shambolic defending caused by their intensity, it was indecisiveness by the lino, presume he spoke to ref on the earpiece and that's why there was so much confusion and the ref correctly spoke to the lino and came to that conclusion that the ball got to Cole via a Derby touch, therefore not offside.
All in all, I don't think we've played well, apart from after Morecombe gave up at 45 mins, for weeks, we look tired, bereft of ideas and lacking all over the pitch, which against 2 good teams away from home has been exposed.
But yesterday was a new level of poor, summarised by the 4th goal imo.
On to Tuesday and go again, put this to bed and move on, we are lucky to be in this position after the last 18 months, still in the driving seat to reach the PO's. Then let's hope we have a plan to deal with the better teams and the small squad we have aren't too jaded.
The ref was poor yesterday - join a very long queue - but there's a real problem with communication between referees and us the paying customer that football generally hasn't tackled. VAR at least (now) allows communication on screens on the ground, but below the EPL we're treated as mushrooms.
Yesterday on the first goal, the ref originally gave the goal, then was persuaded to talk to the lino who hadn't signalled anything, nor moved back towards the half way line as you might expect if the goal was to stand. Whether the ref was persuaded by earpiece or the players complaining who knows? After some discussion (and surrounded by players from both sides no doubt all adding their views) the lino then clearly signalled offside. Cheers from us. Within 5 seconds the ref then points to the half way line - goal awarded. Boos from us.
Two possibilities. The lino gave a wrong signal by mistake. More than likely given their general competence, but odd. Or the ref/lino compilation were overruled via earpiece by the 4th official who had seen a replay on a monitor by the touchline.
If the latter, why don't we fans (all fans from all teams) know this is a possibility/is happening? What are the rules around it - is it to be used in 'big' incidents only - goals/sendings off? How accurate is it - does it draw lines across the pitch, for example? Does every club have the facility for the 4th official - Warne has referred to a monitor near their dugout? And why isn't there communication in the ground?Etc.
And, if there was no 4th official communication, why did the lino clearly signal offside?
The standard of referees in football is at an all time (certainly my 60 years) low, at a time when the standards of players are at an all time high in terms of fitness and speed. The communication between the sport generally and the fan has never been particularly good in reality but in the use of technology it is little short of appalling - Cricket, Rugbies, tennis, as three examples, do that so, so much better.
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Met him once at a dinner in Watford - we both lived not far away. Really nice guy. A hero that didn't disappoint
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12 hours ago, gfs1ram said:
Well I've sat in Lower East Stand middle since 1997 but today I did notice all the security / stewards in yellow hi-viz along the front seemed about every 8 foot ? Seemed far more than usual.
Whats going on? Are they expecting the whole of the East Stand to invade the pitch ?
I thought that there were many more stewards than usual yesterday too. As Charlton was hardly going to be a high risk game even given they had a good number of fans, I wonder if it was more to do with the presence of Mr Birch - making absolutely sure that nothing would go wrong?
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8 hours ago, Gee SCREAMER !! said:
Think Warnes comments about the ref at Wycombe was a barbed take on this . Basically indicating he kept giving free kicks and explaining them as he couldn't keep up and needed to keep stopping the game
It was. And he was making a good point very well. So too with linos. If they’re regularly a yard or more behind play then they’re always going to be guessing about whether a player is offside or not.
Whether the efl has the money or will to make them professionals or not is a reasonable question. They probably don’t have the money.
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Hope he carries on in our division - not only can the game not afford to lose referees but he'll be fitter and better than some of the ones we've seen this season.
How many fully qualified referees does it take to manage a weekend football programme nowadays? In years gone by there were just the three at every match - now there's the match officials, 4th ones, assessors in the stands, VAR numpties and, no doubt, a few spares. No wonder there's a shortage even allowing for the addition of female officials
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3 hours ago, rsmini said:
If proven Sky Sports reporting they could expelled from the league. Is this why Chelsea have started giving out 8 year contracts to spread transfer fees over a longer period
If they get relegated, like Juventus did a few years ago, that would be at the detriment of a club further down the pyramid.
Just like us Chelsea's accountants found a perfectly legal loophole in the amortisation regulations - give a player a longer contract, amortise their fee over a longer period = more FFP wriggle room.
Uefa eventually spotted it, closed the loophole - contracts are still allowed to be 8 years if the clubs wish but amortisation must be over 5 years maximum - and Chelsea are still allowed to play in Europe. The EPL so far as anyone can see haven't said or done anything. Presumably they didn't spot it as a loophole (or let Uefa take the flak).
The EFL could learn from Uefa about how to close loopholes fairly.
Apparently Chelsea still have plenty of FFP room even after spending 100's of millions. Whether anybody in authority is actually testing that is probably unlikely
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It'll be (vaguely) interesting to know whether these are the same charges that UEFA charged them on, banned them from European competition for a couple of years (never enacted) which was then overturned in CAS. Or something new.
My guess would be that they're broadly the same and that the outcome, nothing, will be the same with lawyers the only winners
Interesting that Chelsea found an amortisation loophole that UEFA closed down with no retrospective action. Pity the EFL didn't treat us with the same level of fairness
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On 29/01/2023 at 18:15, oldtimeram said:
These were the good old days down at the BBG
https://player.bfi.org.uk/free/film/watch-derby-county-v-leicester-city-1939-online
With the best will in the world you could only call that warm up lackadaisical. Warne would be having a fit.
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3 minutes ago, JfR said:
At least the transfer window's shut so they can't sing any mor-
Oh, nevermind
or sign...........
Oh. Never mind ?
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So presumably the CPS have judged that there isn't enough evidence to pursue the case and therefore he is innocent and can continue his career should he wish to and should anyone wish to employ him.
Except that the court of public opinion is not so understanding and that almost any club in the UK would find it almost impossible to employ him due to pressure from fans, sponsors and local/national media.
I have no liking of them but Man Utd are in an impossible situation - they can probably only pay his contract up and let him go, unless they sell him abroad.
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3 minutes ago, TuffLuff said:
looks like we’ve captured him hostage?
“Blink twice so they know you’re not in immediate danger!”
He looks like sibley’s brother
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1 hour ago, kevinhectoring said:
Would you accept flounce ? (A favourite pastime of Tom Lawrence in defence not to mention one of our current midfielders)
Perhaps we need Richard Money back
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1 hour ago, Rev said:
Waiting for the map reading sub committee to convene first.
It's here:
I used to like The Rutles.
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3 hours ago, Rev said:
They've already taken the yacht club, and now control the shipping lines.
Have they got to the weekend TV studios yet?
Gary Lineker
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Except it has not been banned - it will be shown on iplayer which is run by the BBC. And given that millions nowadays watch BBC programmes on iplayer rather than when they are actually broadcast and given the publicity that has been attached to this programme, it may get good viewing figures.