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2 hours ago, Gee SCREAMER !! said:

This was how it started.

Thank you.

I was three years old at the time, so wasn't fully up on matters back then 🙂  I do think it a better format.

15 minutes ago, Animal is a Ram said:

I do find myself agreeing with this, and sometimes it feels as if there's more prestige to going up through the playoffs than there is coming second (matron!)

That said, for me, I'd change the format: 

3rd goes straight to the final, 4th place becomes the semi vs. the winner of 5th vs. 6th.
Single games, at neutral venues, final at Wembley.

Will never happen, mind.

I think I would rather there was a breaking the link with "automatic promotion" with the third spot.  So, I would have third bottom from league above join a league with third in this league (to avoid relegation).  The next 4-7 play a round of one off games to join to make the final two (of join main play off).

There be a draw for who plays team from 3rd bottom (of league above) and who plays 3rd from top (of this).  Then a final.  

Would create more to play for at the bottom as well as top, as even if relegated you might be able to claw yourself to a chance of survival.  No more games dates.  And less bitterness over finishing third.  

20 minutes ago, angieram said:

There's nothing at all on the website about sending out postal packs.

It says current season ticket holders will be contacted by email. Every fan ID has to have a current email address. 

So why do people think they're going to get a postal pack? 

Genuine question. 

I've been looking out for the semaphore but nothing so far.

1 minute ago, Foreveram said:

Some of us are 🙄

Play Man City at home: full house.

Play Morecambe at home: 6,000.  

2 hours ago, ossieram said:

Stop changing your gender and it'll work. 

He/She/they/mx/ze/hir/fae can identify as whatever they like.  

16 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

Lol. Greatest achievement since 2006/7? You think coming second in League 1 playing turgid football is an achievement? Lets debate it.

Nah that's okay, it's not appropriate. 👍

If we'd go up finishing sixth playing the worst football ever seen it would be the  best achievement since 2006/07. We have achieved exactly nothing tangible since then.  Come close a few times, but fallen short.

We can only start to play flowing football in the Championship.  We could be the 1970 Brazil team and would struggle in this league.  Getting promoted is a stunning achievement - even if it is our minimum standard.

6 minutes ago, Bob The Badger said:

I had my account hacked with somebody asking for one. 

Personally, I deserve one for the Cambridge game. I'd never missed a game in 53 years until I got yellow fever a month ago. 

You resemble more of a TB kind of guy.

4 minutes ago, maxjam said:

FFS, if we go into the last game of the season with nothing to play for I'll be gutted.

😛 

It would be a party in the (Pride) Park.  

"ole" will ring out with every pass.  There won't be a trophy, but will be a victory parade in all but name.  

Just now, littleover ram said:

Pompy now behind…. chance we could still win the league although very unlikely 

Yes, but they would need to lose both remaining games and us win them.

1 hour ago, Ben Parkes said:

I'm also looking for a single derby ticket for the carlisle game - please let me know if you know of any ticket that becomes available- willing to spend much more than they are worth 

come on you rams !!!

I know there are some people willing to sit in the home end at away matches.  I do wonder, seeing as a club like Carlisle don't have a massive fan base, whether some people might have considered sitting in the away end at a home game.

Not suggesting it, of course. 

4 minutes ago, sage said:

I didn't ask when we can have a debate. I made the point that fans are entitled to debate anything appropriate at any time. You appear to be now saying we can have a debate but not until you say so. 

Can and should are different things.  You can debate anything at anytime.  It doesn't mean you should.

It comes across to me as pure Monty Python to have a debate about sacking a manager two games out from a clubs greatest achievement since 2006/07. 

2 hours ago, sage said:

It's never been the time. The belittling has carried on all season.

When we won, it was look at the table. When we lost a few, it was jumping on the bandwagon.

As long as people are constructive, anything can be debated at any time. Not you, but many just try and shut debate down, it's been happening for a long time.

 

For good or ill, football is a results business.  I nearly lost faith following the Crewe defeat in November (as I was nervous of the tactics), but a winning run put an end to that.

Warne, should we gain promotion, will then have a two year contract playing in the Championship.  I think, based on statements by Clowes, he would have a goal of keeping us up and everything else being a bonus.  Failure there, and I think he would be in deep trouble.

You ask about when to have the debate.  Simple; it becomes live when any of the following happen:

a) if we fail to go up - the debate starts immediately on us being knocked out the pay offs

b) we go up, he get's a budget but it doesn't work and he offers no constructive approach to remedy the issue (effectively we are slow walking to relegation) - but this is next January/Feb at the earliest

c) we are re-relegated, under all the circumstances.

My point is that he is going for set goals, which i contend some are confusing for tactics.  A strategy is: we get up, stay up and then, and only then, truly look to kick on.  If he fails at any of these strategy, there are arguments the strategy has not worked.  

Tactics are how you get there.

The tactics will change with the opposition, let alone the league.  The players will improve as TV money will allow a better standard. The demands and the style of play will change.  

Our current tactics probably will not work.  Warne's job will be to find the players and the tactics to meet his objective.  We cannot judge him on a standard, when we demand he meets a completely different standard that is wholly divergent: we demand he gets results to win promotion, but in a less skilful league of flying tackles where fancy football gets you loads of possession and no end result (ala LR).  We then criticise the lack of skill.  Therefore, he has to win the promotion in front of him like beating the team in front of you.  He is plainly succeeding here.

We have no idea what a Warne side in the Championship will look like, never mind the tactics he would deploy - and nor do you nor anyone on this site.  Rotherham gives a guide, but they did not have our resources and only tell you so much.  The fact is, if he succeeds he has earned his shot

1 hour ago, Carnero said:

In my next level thinking I think we want Peterborough to win too. In the event that we lose or draw at Cambridge we may well need Peterborough to get a result against Bolton on the final day, so the last thing we want is for that game to be a dead rubber for Peterborough.

Imagine a doomsday scenario where we lose to Cambridge and Bolton win their next 2 games, the table would look this if Peterborough win their next 3 games:

Bolton 88

Derby 86*

Peterborough 86

*goal difference advantage over Peterborough

So going into the last day Peterborough would go all out to beat Bolton as they could still nick 2nd, but a win for them and win for us against Carlisle would mean that we take 2nd on goal difference 😎

That was my thinking, too.  Also, with the play offs if they have nothing to play for they will start resting people to be fit for "mini-season" to start.  

5 minutes ago, sage said:

Instead of belittling people who aren't fans of Warne or confident in him in the long term, why not try debating the points they make.

 

The points they make are intangible and intangibles are hard to debate, but it doesn't make them right (or indeed wrong).  We have no evidence of what a Warne Championship season with Derby would be like - and Rotherham are hardly thriving without him.

There are issues with Warne's management, of course there are, but we have it in our hands to get promoted - and are two wins away.  The idea this is the time to debate is absurd.  It is like complaining at a lottery win because the Euromillions was the night before and would have netted far more.  

Never let the best be the enemy of the good" - Aristotle

1 hour ago, maxjam said:

Its utterly ridiculous. 

We've been crying out for stability for years, the moment we start actually doing well and potentially finishing in the automatic promotion positions for the first time in god knows how long, some fans are wanting PW sacked and are happy to take a punt on whoever - could be better, could be worse - may come in next.

If it was them lot up the road, I'd be falling over laughing.

I think they like the novelty - and the fact it churns things up to have discussions about.  We could have Klopp, lose a game, and the same remarks would be made.  Or:

"he's only here for the money"

"he might understand Premier League tactics but he doesn't get the Championship"

"his standards are too high - and they don't want to play for him"

"he is a high budget manager that got 'lucky' with the players".  Without Salah he is a busted flush"

"I don't like his sense of humour".

"he is signing players the top top clubs don't want.  He should go after world class players, pay them peanuts and offer no transfer fee because we are Derby - don't they realise how lucky they are?"

4 minutes ago, Oldben said:

Warnes a relegation specialist, he was relegated twice with Rotherham. We're those Rotherham teams stronger than the current Derby team. The assumption is third time successful but we drew with Portsmouth Fc, so I'd say we are not championship ready.

 

The team we have today, maybe.  But we would purchase/sign a higher type of player.  We can't do that in this league as the cost does not justify it - and they probably would say no anyway.

Maybe half the usual team would make the cut with the rest becoming bit-part.  You are assuming we would take no steps ahead of a Championship season; I think that highly unlikely.

27 minutes ago, Crewton said:

How much are you willing to pay for someone better?

More appropriately:

How much is he willing for David Clowes to pay for someone better?

15 minutes ago, MadAmster said:

Not so much fancying them, just recognising their particular brand of "football" is not one we tend to do well against. Physical, stealing 15+ yards at throws, Taking an age to take dead ball situations as long as it's still 0-0, falling over as if poleaxed if you look at them too hard, destroying any flow to the game etc.

Agree. I think we have to go all at them and try and get that first goal.  If we can, that strategy falls apart - and we can go onto win by three or four.  But if we don't, it works incredibly well - and makes it more and more likely they will nick one (ala Northampton).

1 minute ago, Anag Ram said:

Really spirited performance. Well done lads.

Indeed.  Would have won bar a wonder-goal 

Just now, Chesterfield_Ram said:

Don’t jinx it!!! Being the pessimist I am, I’m expecting a 3-2 Portsmouth win. 

Me, too.

But think positive thoughts, as my therapist insists I do 🙂

3 minutes ago, McArthur Park said:

Watching on TV tonight, why is it so much more nerve wracking than being at the  game?!! Great first half, let's keep this going!

I know the feeling.  I love away days on TV as much as home days at the ground.

Without tempting fate, this could be one of the great away results for many-a-year.  

Keep it going!

2 hours ago, europia said:

Totally agree with that. If Wildsmith doesn't want to be at DCFC then it's best for all that he leaves. He's a decent shot stopper but his game is far from flawless. Finding a replacement shouldn't be too difficult. 

Agree.  He is here on a two year deal.  At the end of the two year, he and DCFC have no obligation to one another. 

I hope he carries on until the end of the season, and decisions from both parties will clearly be made.  It will hardly be on a level with Brian Clough leaving.  More, that's a shame...anyway, who are we replacing him with?...

17 minutes ago, nottingram said:

Spare a thought for anyone (me) who is going away during the first bank holiday thinking the final would be during the second bank holiday.

Pray for autos or 3rd or 4th. 

Or those of us (me) who are going on the 18th thinking  I'd be back in UK for final.

Pray for autos!!!

14 hours ago, angieram said:

You must be the bloke who stands in front of me at nearly every away match! I'm 5ft 4. 🥲😉

If only - can never get an away ticket these days 🙂

2 minutes ago, StarterForTen said:

Another thread descending into a pun-fest. That will divide opinion. 

Indeed.  I fail to see what function this serves.