CBX1985
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30 minutes ago, sage said:
Well there is evidence because one poster publicly quit last week citing bullying.
I also know 2 other people who have stopped posting. That is evidence.
Bullying is in the eye of the beholder to an extent.
it is very subjective. I would say bullying would be ad hominem attacks. I have seen very few of these on this site in any direction.
You then get the "I'm offended" brigade who confuse offence with disagreement and cite their offence as bullying. I'm with Stephen Fry on this one: so f***ing what.
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2 hours ago, sage said:
If you can't see the irony in that...
I quite like Warne. He has a nice sense of humour and seems to have a vision. Truth is, before he became our manager I'd never heard of him. Clowes rated him so that was enough for me. He was given one objective: get us up. He's achieved that.
There are many who don't like him - whether it is is football, his David Brent jokes or his bobblehat. That I have no problem with; I am no loyalist to him only the club.
What I personally find frustrating is these points are masked with constantly moving goalposts - "players won't sign for him"... when they do it becomes: "he needs to stop media interviews, he is alienating them"... "we are losing, he doesn't understand tactics and is "naive" "... when they win it becomes "we were always going to win this league, he doesn't have the ability to win a league above - he's not a Championship specialist". Just like a doomsday cult, when midnight arrives and the worst doesn't happen the deadline can move rather than admit, maybe, we need to rethink our position. Maybe he will fail, but he has been successful so far.
What we need to do, in my view, is stick on what we want - and make that tangible and definable. Without that, debate is hard as the grounds for that debate will shift as easy as sand in the Sahara. Before writing this I read some of the season predictions. Promotion with second was a success for practically everyone. What has changed?
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40 minutes ago, LazloW said:
Ditto on Wavensmere - I’d have thought no chance. You might get individuals who have made a fortune out of property, such as Gadsby, deciding to spend their own money on football but very little chance a developer themselves would invest; not part of their business model and only likely to lose money. Developers only exist to make money so why would they bother?
Clowes is obviously an exception to the rule. But the circumstances very different (still not sure how board of ‘Clowes Developments’ were persuaded to drop a load of cash on DCFC… assume must either all be fans, it’s all David’s money, there are reasons for doing it all in their name and/or he has total control… or I’m completely wrong and it is just DC anyway and not CD at all).
Nevertheless, quite a lot of wealthy individuals around who made a wad from property so you never know.
As the rules forbid massive spending sprees anymore, then guess the main benefit of an investor could be taking some pressure off DC in terms of covering debt. Sure it would help spending a bit, but I do worry how long Mr Clowes (or Clowes Developments) can (or will) fund the losses we’ll probably accrue.
Clowes Developments are owned 100% by the Clowes Trust (2014). It depends on the type of Trust (my assumption would be a bloodline discretionary trust) about voting rights. I do not know whether DC has siblings (I know he has children), but he likely has total control (i.e. 50%+ 1 share) of the firm via the Trust (there are 5,510 shares in the Clowes Developments Ltd, to which the Clowes Trust 2014 owns all of them).
Below is the very long link to the related page outlining ownership structure via Companies House.
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7 hours ago, sage said:
That's the point. Posters were being told not to post their opinion or when they could post it. Ignore the odd troll, there are far more many constructive critics but they were often rounded on.
Hounded out? Really? There were a few angry words after away games but no mass protests or chants.
I made a remark to you that in the days leading up to a stunning promotion it is absurd to have a "debate" about the manager's future. No one told you you cannot discuss what you like but merely your position would be liable to appear ridiculous in the circumstances in the same way, say, an internal campaign to have a CEO fired for wildly outperforming his extremely challenging profit target, would have.
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40 minutes ago, oodledoodle said:
Won't anyone think of poor Bielik's Poland career?
He is the football version of Uncle Albert.
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15 minutes ago, Animal is a Ram said:
I've a vague memory of a cap of about 22k for season tickets.
That cap is for the Premier League, I believe - not sure it applies to Championship.
I believe there has to be some available to purchase game-by-game. I suspect the club will want to sell as many up front as it can, so if there is no limit and demand is high, could be very hard to get tickets this coming year.
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14 hours ago, valakari said:
Are you serious??!!
Hypothetically....
Brighton were interested in buying him but loaning him out to a Championship club. Now we are there, there is the option of selling him and loaning him back for the season. There is no way he would break into Brighton first team at this stage, but a Championship season would give him his springboard.
If Brighton do want him, he will go but if we can get a further season that would be a big win with a fee on top.
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6 minutes ago, Mucker1884 said:
Didn't notice it live, but just seen a video... The ref did indeed blow for the final whistle... as he was already heading full pelt to the tunnel... there was an air of "Look after number one, and sod everybody else" about it! 🤣
I noted it at the time.
I also thought he was taking the players off due to pitch invasion, as there was still two minutes of the minimum four to go.
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16 minutes ago, IslandExile said:
And sign Adams!!!
I think we will. Every fan wants him too - and I cannot conceive how Clowes would think any different. The trouble is we don't want to appear too desperate in case Cardiff jack up the price.
But, £8m TV money extra - we have the funds from secure income.
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5 minutes ago, FlyBritishMidland said:
An alternative view could be he stayed as he knew the writing was on the wall and once MM’s takeover was confirmed he’d be sacked anyway. That way, he guarantees himself a payoff rather than leaving for nothing. Not saying that’s how it was, just a different perspective.
I think I posted on here at the time a few days before it transpired, that Rooney probably did want to stay,but his going was inevitable. When Chris Kirchner was "supposedly" going to buy us Rooney was all in on the idea - and seemed fully on board. Had that not have been fairy dust of a fraudster, I suspect he would have done.
When that fell through, WR was somewhat tainted by it (I doubt any of which was his fault). Then when Clowes put his bid in and it was accepted, Rooney must have seen (or been advised) that there was no way Clowes was going to want to pay managerial salaries at that level (for an inexperienced manager, but with top level playing experience).
Clowes clearly wanted us to be normal - rather than Wayne Rooney/Frank Lampard's Derby. In those instances, it was both inevitable that he was going to leave - and he got to make the decision himself.
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10 minutes ago, Ellafella said:
Well Said Sir! It’s not about hating another person; it’s about having a view about the football. I think PW is a tremendous person, highly verbally skilled and understands group dynamics. I just don’t feel convinced by his football.
A fair comment, but I just don't think we know what his football is like. At this level, we are never going to pay to get Championship level players (more than just a few) as the risk of failure is too large. He has to do what he can with what he has - means justify ends, and we need(ed) promotion.
Should we be promoted on Saturday, my view is that PW starts again, a new coach on a two year deal. His new job will be very different from his last one - albeit from the same dugout. That is when, in my view, we judge the standard of his football.
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2 hours ago, Crewton said:
I don't think anyone has seriously suggested that we might face a points deduction if there's a pitch invasion, have they?
I think the legal challenge would scare the EFL off.
They would be pointed to all of the others and asked: where are their deductions? Could have all sorts of ramifications throughout all the leagues in England.
Non starter.
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2 hours ago, Gee SCREAMER !! said:
This was how it started.
Thank you.
I was three years old at the time, so wasn't fully up on matters back then 🙂 I do think it a better format.
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15 minutes ago, Animal is a Ram said:
I do find myself agreeing with this, and sometimes it feels as if there's more prestige to going up through the playoffs than there is coming second (matron!)
That said, for me, I'd change the format:
3rd goes straight to the final, 4th place becomes the semi vs. the winner of 5th vs. 6th.
Single games, at neutral venues, final at Wembley.Will never happen, mind.
I think I would rather there was a breaking the link with "automatic promotion" with the third spot. So, I would have third bottom from league above join a league with third in this league (to avoid relegation). The next 4-7 play a round of one off games to join to make the final two (of join main play off).
There be a draw for who plays team from 3rd bottom (of league above) and who plays 3rd from top (of this). Then a final.
Would create more to play for at the bottom as well as top, as even if relegated you might be able to claw yourself to a chance of survival. No more games dates. And less bitterness over finishing third.
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20 minutes ago, angieram said:
There's nothing at all on the website about sending out postal packs.
It says current season ticket holders will be contacted by email. Every fan ID has to have a current email address.
So why do people think they're going to get a postal pack?
Genuine question.
I've been looking out for the semaphore but nothing so far.
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1 minute ago, Foreveram said:
Some of us are 🙄
Play Man City at home: full house.
Play Morecambe at home: 6,000.
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2 hours ago, ossieram said:
Stop changing your gender and it'll work.
He/She/they/mx/ze/hir/fae can identify as whatever they like.
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16 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:
Lol. Greatest achievement since 2006/7? You think coming second in League 1 playing turgid football is an achievement? Lets debate it.
Nah that's okay, it's not appropriate. 👍
If we'd go up finishing sixth playing the worst football ever seen it would be the best achievement since 2006/07. We have achieved exactly nothing tangible since then. Come close a few times, but fallen short.
We can only start to play flowing football in the Championship. We could be the 1970 Brazil team and would struggle in this league. Getting promoted is a stunning achievement - even if it is our minimum standard.
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6 minutes ago, Bob The Badger said:
I had my account hacked with somebody asking for one.
Personally, I deserve one for the Cambridge game. I'd never missed a game in 53 years until I got yellow fever a month ago.
You resemble more of a TB kind of guy.
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4 minutes ago, maxjam said:
FFS, if we go into the last game of the season with nothing to play for I'll be gutted.
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It would be a party in the (Pride) Park.
"ole" will ring out with every pass. There won't be a trophy, but will be a victory parade in all but name.
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Just now, littleover ram said:
Pompy now behind…. chance we could still win the league although very unlikely
Yes, but they would need to lose both remaining games and us win them.
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1 hour ago, Ben Parkes said:
I'm also looking for a single derby ticket for the carlisle game - please let me know if you know of any ticket that becomes available- willing to spend much more than they are worth
come on you rams !!!
I know there are some people willing to sit in the home end at away matches. I do wonder, seeing as a club like Carlisle don't have a massive fan base, whether some people might have considered sitting in the away end at a home game.
Not suggesting it, of course.
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4 minutes ago, sage said:
I didn't ask when we can have a debate. I made the point that fans are entitled to debate anything appropriate at any time. You appear to be now saying we can have a debate but not until you say so.
Can and should are different things. You can debate anything at anytime. It doesn't mean you should.
It comes across to me as pure Monty Python to have a debate about sacking a manager two games out from a clubs greatest achievement since 2006/07.
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2 hours ago, sage said:
It's never been the time. The belittling has carried on all season.
When we won, it was look at the table. When we lost a few, it was jumping on the bandwagon.
As long as people are constructive, anything can be debated at any time. Not you, but many just try and shut debate down, it's been happening for a long time.
For good or ill, football is a results business. I nearly lost faith following the Crewe defeat in November (as I was nervous of the tactics), but a winning run put an end to that.
Warne, should we gain promotion, will then have a two year contract playing in the Championship. I think, based on statements by Clowes, he would have a goal of keeping us up and everything else being a bonus. Failure there, and I think he would be in deep trouble.
You ask about when to have the debate. Simple; it becomes live when any of the following happen:
a) if we fail to go up - the debate starts immediately on us being knocked out the pay offs
b) we go up, he get's a budget but it doesn't work and he offers no constructive approach to remedy the issue (effectively we are slow walking to relegation) - but this is next January/Feb at the earliest
c) we are re-relegated, under all the circumstances.
My point is that he is going for set goals, which i contend some are confusing for tactics. A strategy is: we get up, stay up and then, and only then, truly look to kick on. If he fails at any of these strategy, there are arguments the strategy has not worked.
Tactics are how you get there.
The tactics will change with the opposition, let alone the league. The players will improve as TV money will allow a better standard. The demands and the style of play will change.
Our current tactics probably will not work. Warne's job will be to find the players and the tactics to meet his objective. We cannot judge him on a standard, when we demand he meets a completely different standard that is wholly divergent: we demand he gets results to win promotion, but in a less skilful league of flying tackles where fancy football gets you loads of possession and no end result (ala LR). We then criticise the lack of skill. Therefore, he has to win the promotion in front of him like beating the team in front of you. He is plainly succeeding here.
We have no idea what a Warne side in the Championship will look like, never mind the tactics he would deploy - and nor do you nor anyone on this site. Rotherham gives a guide, but they did not have our resources and only tell you so much. The fact is, if he succeeds he has earned his shot
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Indeed.
I would go further and say, for instance, I would be prepared to play for Derby in any position for free. The club instead pays players in excess of £250,000 pa to do that role. You could make the point that is a "gamble" on more established players.
I would be useless and we would be thrashed each week and relegated, but there would be a massive one off saving.
The gamble was paying very high wages to inexperienced managers (who are famous) and who, should you lose a few, would be sacked with compensation to boot. And paying extremely high wages (and even higher fees) to fringe Premier League players to entice them to take a step backwards.
Paying a "promotion specialist" to increase revenue without taking debt to do so is very good business sense.