CBX1985
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6 minutes ago, Anag Ram said:
I’m not going to take delight in the suffering of any set of fans.
They will be hurting, like we were.
I would normally be with you on this. I usually feel some compassion -as we have all been in their shoes. But having been on the train between Derby and Birmingham after the 2022 match with the repugnant BCFC fans, they deserve all they get.
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36 minutes ago, alram said:
i must admit i am enjoying this one, they have been lucky to escape the drop for about a decade now
Me, too - it was great fun. The coverage on Sky was funereal - which was amusing as I was laughing me head off.
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16 minutes ago, ram59 said:
When you realise that the existing sky package gives the Championship clubs around £9m each, you can see why the clubs vote to sell their rights to Sky.
That figure effectively doubles Derby's income from season tickets and we have among the highest number of season tickets in the league.
And as I said, we pay 20% tax on that ST figure - so lose £1.32m to HMRC. The monies from Sky will be VAT free, as it would be charged on top (by the EFL) and reclaimed by Sky (from HMRC).
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6 minutes ago, Mucker1884 said:
Isn't £1m worth of season tickets pretty much all of us in total?
Or have I got my sums wrong? 🤷♂️
A little. Back of a fag packed calculation and 22,000 sold (with £300 per season ticket as average - some will be nearly twice that and some much below) nets you £6.6m.
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3 minutes ago, Simmo’s left foot said:
I for one will not be paying sky a single penny. It looks like the clubs are only interested in the money on offer and have sold the fans down the line I'm afraid.
However if nobody buys the sky service lets see what happens! Give me Owen Shaun every time!
I like Rams TV, but it would mean a lot less money for clubs at this level. The Premier League has value in that millions like watching that standard so they will always rake it in; at this level it is more hard fought.
The thing that gets forgotten with clubs selling games themselves is that not only do they need to meet all the costs of production and sale etc, they also need to pay VAT on each sub. So 20% of all the sub goes in tax. If they sell to Sky they charge collectively they would do this + VAT, but Sky get to reclaim it from HMRC - so there is no tax on the sale.
In other words, you need to outperform what you are offered by 20% to simply break even. Same with ticket sales - let's say we gain £1m more by going with the TV deal in revenue but £1m worth of ST holders cancel - you are actually up by £200,000 on that deal - as the ST would attract VAT at source.
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27 minutes ago, ossieram said:
Are the shop and ticket office staff directly employed by DCFC or is it Fanatics and seat geek who employ them?
Good question. I don't know.
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28 minutes ago, MadAmster said:
Not had a season ticket since the 83/84 season when I moved to the Netherlands. I usually manage between 6 and 8 games a season. Flights, trains, hotels, match tickets and food and drink make each trip an expensive one. I'd do more games but 8 games is about as far as I an stretch my pension.
This new TV deal will likely see me having to book flights closer to game day which will see me having to pay higher fares. I usually travel in Friday morning and back Sunday tea time. I may have to reduce my weekends away to Saturday morning to Sunday tea time.
Thanks Sky! NOT
I think Sky have said that part of the agreement is that Sky are going to be bound to choosing games much further in advance. Therefore, more games will be shown but much more notice is going to be given for each game.
If this is contractual rather than "agreement", then this might actually work the other way for you - giving more certainty even if times are slightly off.
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36 minutes ago, Alty_Ram said:
No and it is a real factor/problem for some folks. You can just tell by some of the usernames on here that our fan base don't all just stroll across Derby to attend games - I'm in the North West myself.
The problem is that if you miss too many games due to your personal circumstances (work, family commitments, sheer distance etc), then a Season Ticket looks like less value once you've missed a few games. If you then say to yourself that you'll pay by the game then I think there is an inertia that can set in and to a point you have to justify attending to yourself, whereas as a Season Ticket holder I'm all too aware that in crappier seasons that sometimes I feel that I'm just pouring myself into my car to get on the road because it's already paid for. The DCFC habit !
I also don't like some of the alternative kickoff times because I often feel that stuff like Sunday lunchtimes tend to produce fairly flat atmospheres and Fridays nights and the M6 are a bit of a lottery at the best of times.
There's bugger all that we can do about it unfortunately but I'd imagine that we may get lots of disruption early doors but maybe if Sky conclude that we are not going to storm the league that they will focus elsewhere.I also don't live all that close, coming from probably the same distance the other way. I quite like early Saturday kick offs (as last day of the season), but not evenings if at all avoided.
I am going to chime in that I think it's swings and roundabouts. People living abroad get to watch all the games on TV, but we can't. I rarely go to away games (haven't been to one for about eight years sort of rarely), but try to go to every home game with ST.
I have a projector and wall blank-sheet, so can watch televised games in comfort at home with a beer on cinema like screen. For me, I value being able to watch away games on TV all the time even if a bit of inconvenience is relevant to home games. I know there are VPNs and such, but it is a major hassle to do that- so pleased more than one or two Sky games and the same for Rams TV will be on.
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On 01/05/2024 at 07:51, Sidd10 said:
A think a few things to think about here.
1. I’d take those estimates there with a pinch of salt. That estimate puts Blackburn players on less than £6k a week on average. (25 players) Not having it.
2. Our wage bill has been widely reported but that figure, someone correct me if I’m wrong, is the entire clubs wage bill. Not just playing staff. There is no way our average players wage is £13.5k a week.
Remember how averages work. Maybe CEO and head of recruitment will be on good salaries (£150k pa?), but many backroom are minimum wage (i.e. shop, ticket office etc).
Now, we have players like Collins and Hourihane who signed when we had no one credible to play. PW has stated there are some players on very high salaries he might not have gone with. It one takes one or two of them, on extremely high salaries, to skew the average.
Bill Gates on a train: If everyone on this forum was on a train with Bill Gates the average wealth of people on the train would be over £1billion. At the levels you are discussing, it doesn't take many players to skew the average quite perversely.
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10 hours ago, DerbyRevolution said:
so with article 48 remaining then the opening day there will be no saturday 3 o clock kick offs ?
They can apply for date exemptions (as is done for international weeks and the FA Cup Final). However, it would appear - especially as Lg 1 and Lg 2 are going ahead that date, we are probably looking at most games being Saturday lunch time.
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21 hours ago, Chellaston Ram said:
I’ll be on holiday, so any game as long as it’s on Sky
I think Sky will be showing all of them.
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1 minute ago, DRBee said:
I think to talk of splashing the cash is not really a valid claim. As part of the club's new business plan and risk management it could be argued that costs of spending on an experienced manager were part of a valid response to the risks and financial costs of being stuck in League ! for many seasons. As I recall at the time the plan was that we might be in League for 3 seasons before we were able to gain promotion back to the Championship. Linking David Clowes behaviour as owner to that of Mel Morris, just won't do. Morris was a maverick who once he was owner did what he wanted without having sufficient people round him to advise him. The Clowes operation seems to be very different to me. What you term as Clowes's gamble paying off might be viewed by others as careful planning delivering results.
Indeed.
I would go further and say, for instance, I would be prepared to play for Derby in any position for free. The club instead pays players in excess of £250,000 pa to do that role. You could make the point that is a "gamble" on more established players.
I would be useless and we would be thrashed each week and relegated, but there would be a massive one off saving.
The gamble was paying very high wages to inexperienced managers (who are famous) and who, should you lose a few, would be sacked with compensation to boot. And paying extremely high wages (and even higher fees) to fringe Premier League players to entice them to take a step backwards.
Paying a "promotion specialist" to increase revenue without taking debt to do so is very good business sense.
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30 minutes ago, sage said:
Well there is evidence because one poster publicly quit last week citing bullying.
I also know 2 other people who have stopped posting. That is evidence.
Bullying is in the eye of the beholder to an extent.
it is very subjective. I would say bullying would be ad hominem attacks. I have seen very few of these on this site in any direction.
You then get the "I'm offended" brigade who confuse offence with disagreement and cite their offence as bullying. I'm with Stephen Fry on this one: so f***ing what.
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2 hours ago, sage said:
If you can't see the irony in that...
I quite like Warne. He has a nice sense of humour and seems to have a vision. Truth is, before he became our manager I'd never heard of him. Clowes rated him so that was enough for me. He was given one objective: get us up. He's achieved that.
There are many who don't like him - whether it is is football, his David Brent jokes or his bobblehat. That I have no problem with; I am no loyalist to him only the club.
What I personally find frustrating is these points are masked with constantly moving goalposts - "players won't sign for him"... when they do it becomes: "he needs to stop media interviews, he is alienating them"... "we are losing, he doesn't understand tactics and is "naive" "... when they win it becomes "we were always going to win this league, he doesn't have the ability to win a league above - he's not a Championship specialist". Just like a doomsday cult, when midnight arrives and the worst doesn't happen the deadline can move rather than admit, maybe, we need to rethink our position. Maybe he will fail, but he has been successful so far.
What we need to do, in my view, is stick on what we want - and make that tangible and definable. Without that, debate is hard as the grounds for that debate will shift as easy as sand in the Sahara. Before writing this I read some of the season predictions. Promotion with second was a success for practically everyone. What has changed?
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40 minutes ago, LazloW said:
Ditto on Wavensmere - I’d have thought no chance. You might get individuals who have made a fortune out of property, such as Gadsby, deciding to spend their own money on football but very little chance a developer themselves would invest; not part of their business model and only likely to lose money. Developers only exist to make money so why would they bother?
Clowes is obviously an exception to the rule. But the circumstances very different (still not sure how board of ‘Clowes Developments’ were persuaded to drop a load of cash on DCFC… assume must either all be fans, it’s all David’s money, there are reasons for doing it all in their name and/or he has total control… or I’m completely wrong and it is just DC anyway and not CD at all).
Nevertheless, quite a lot of wealthy individuals around who made a wad from property so you never know.
As the rules forbid massive spending sprees anymore, then guess the main benefit of an investor could be taking some pressure off DC in terms of covering debt. Sure it would help spending a bit, but I do worry how long Mr Clowes (or Clowes Developments) can (or will) fund the losses we’ll probably accrue.
Clowes Developments are owned 100% by the Clowes Trust (2014). It depends on the type of Trust (my assumption would be a bloodline discretionary trust) about voting rights. I do not know whether DC has siblings (I know he has children), but he likely has total control (i.e. 50%+ 1 share) of the firm via the Trust (there are 5,510 shares in the Clowes Developments Ltd, to which the Clowes Trust 2014 owns all of them).
Below is the very long link to the related page outlining ownership structure via Companies House.
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7 hours ago, sage said:
That's the point. Posters were being told not to post their opinion or when they could post it. Ignore the odd troll, there are far more many constructive critics but they were often rounded on.
Hounded out? Really? There were a few angry words after away games but no mass protests or chants.
I made a remark to you that in the days leading up to a stunning promotion it is absurd to have a "debate" about the manager's future. No one told you you cannot discuss what you like but merely your position would be liable to appear ridiculous in the circumstances in the same way, say, an internal campaign to have a CEO fired for wildly outperforming his extremely challenging profit target, would have.
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40 minutes ago, oodledoodle said:
Won't anyone think of poor Bielik's Poland career?
He is the football version of Uncle Albert.
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15 minutes ago, Animal is a Ram said:
I've a vague memory of a cap of about 22k for season tickets.
That cap is for the Premier League, I believe - not sure it applies to Championship.
I believe there has to be some available to purchase game-by-game. I suspect the club will want to sell as many up front as it can, so if there is no limit and demand is high, could be very hard to get tickets this coming year.
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14 hours ago, valakari said:
Are you serious??!!
Hypothetically....
Brighton were interested in buying him but loaning him out to a Championship club. Now we are there, there is the option of selling him and loaning him back for the season. There is no way he would break into Brighton first team at this stage, but a Championship season would give him his springboard.
If Brighton do want him, he will go but if we can get a further season that would be a big win with a fee on top.
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6 minutes ago, Mucker1884 said:
Didn't notice it live, but just seen a video... The ref did indeed blow for the final whistle... as he was already heading full pelt to the tunnel... there was an air of "Look after number one, and sod everybody else" about it! 🤣
I noted it at the time.
I also thought he was taking the players off due to pitch invasion, as there was still two minutes of the minimum four to go.
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16 minutes ago, IslandExile said:
And sign Adams!!!
I think we will. Every fan wants him too - and I cannot conceive how Clowes would think any different. The trouble is we don't want to appear too desperate in case Cardiff jack up the price.
But, £8m TV money extra - we have the funds from secure income.
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5 minutes ago, FlyBritishMidland said:
An alternative view could be he stayed as he knew the writing was on the wall and once MM’s takeover was confirmed he’d be sacked anyway. That way, he guarantees himself a payoff rather than leaving for nothing. Not saying that’s how it was, just a different perspective.
I think I posted on here at the time a few days before it transpired, that Rooney probably did want to stay,but his going was inevitable. When Chris Kirchner was "supposedly" going to buy us Rooney was all in on the idea - and seemed fully on board. Had that not have been fairy dust of a fraudster, I suspect he would have done.
When that fell through, WR was somewhat tainted by it (I doubt any of which was his fault). Then when Clowes put his bid in and it was accepted, Rooney must have seen (or been advised) that there was no way Clowes was going to want to pay managerial salaries at that level (for an inexperienced manager, but with top level playing experience).
Clowes clearly wanted us to be normal - rather than Wayne Rooney/Frank Lampard's Derby. In those instances, it was both inevitable that he was going to leave - and he got to make the decision himself.
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10 minutes ago, Ellafella said:
Well Said Sir! It’s not about hating another person; it’s about having a view about the football. I think PW is a tremendous person, highly verbally skilled and understands group dynamics. I just don’t feel convinced by his football.
A fair comment, but I just don't think we know what his football is like. At this level, we are never going to pay to get Championship level players (more than just a few) as the risk of failure is too large. He has to do what he can with what he has - means justify ends, and we need(ed) promotion.
Should we be promoted on Saturday, my view is that PW starts again, a new coach on a two year deal. His new job will be very different from his last one - albeit from the same dugout. That is when, in my view, we judge the standard of his football.
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2 hours ago, Crewton said:
I don't think anyone has seriously suggested that we might face a points deduction if there's a pitch invasion, have they?
I think the legal challenge would scare the EFL off.
They would be pointed to all of the others and asked: where are their deductions? Could have all sorts of ramifications throughout all the leagues in England.
Non starter.
Birmingham relegated.
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He has four years left in his contract as well.