Ram-Alf Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 1 minute ago, Caerphilly Ram said: There’s a difference between “being outbid” and choosing to pay up to a certain amount that the club believes the player is worth. Not saying I agree with it, but there’s every chance the club has made what it believes is a fair offer and Sibley feels he’s worth more so is looking elsewhere, rather than that Rotherham are able to pay more than we can. IF he is leaving it’s a massive shame either way. I'm aware of all the above, Some posters last season were intimating Sibley was one of our higher wage earners some claiming £20k a week 🤷♂️, I doubt very much that DCFC were considering getting that close. But if Rotherham are in the frame according to BT and Rotherham are prepared to pay what could be close to what Sibley wants then my post still stands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Returning ram Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 9 minutes ago, Ram-Alf said: I'm aware of all the above, Some posters last season were intimating Sibley was one of our higher wage earners some claiming £20k a week 🤷♂️, I doubt very much that DCFC were considering getting that close. But if Rotherham are in the frame according to BT and Rotherham are prepared to pay what could be close to what Sibley wants then my post still stands. But that's not being outbid ? We have chosen to offer him a figure from our budget that we believe represents value for money. Rotherham have decided that he is worth paying extra than we are willing. If true, seems like a sensible approach to me, why pay over the odds for a player if you feel you can get better elsewhere. Tamworthram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamworthram Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 1 minute ago, Ram-Alf said: Not doubting you...if we're being out bid on wages by Rotherham who will be playing in the league below us in front of 7k fans at Rotherham and managed by a champion pie eater then all I can say is...JESUS H CHRIST 🙄 If we've been "out bid" by Rotherham then I would imagine it's only because they have chosen to offer him more than we're prepared to rather than they can afford to offer more. If there's any truth in it then maybe Rotherham see him as a big signing (possibly one of their biggest earners?). DCFC1388 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 2 minutes ago, Tamworthram said: If we've been "out bid" by Rotherham then I would imagine it's only because they have chosen to offer him more than we're prepared to rather than they can afford to offer more. If there's any truth in it then maybe Rotherham see him as a big signing (possibly one of their biggest earners?). Or perhaps they see him as a goal-scoring midfielder, goals cost money. Carl Sagan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamworthram Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 (edited) 7 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: Or perhaps they see him as a goal-scoring midfielder, goals cost money. I didn't say WHY they might be offering him a higher wage so I'm not sure why you've said "or perhaps". If there's any truth in the rumour then presumably they value him higher than we do whether or not the respective valuations are valid. Edited May 29 by Tamworthram Dom Brady 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram-Alf Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 14 minutes ago, Returning ram said: But that's not being outbid ? You and I are at a car auction, I offer £1000, You offer £1100, I drop out you win...why because you out bid me 👍 RoyMac5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 2 minutes ago, Tamworthram said: I didn't say WHY they might be offering him a higher wage so I'm not sure why you've said "or perhaps". Because I thought I'd say WHY I thought they'd offer more than we might, if they have. Carl Sagan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamworthram Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 Just now, RoyMac5 said: Because I thought I'd say WHY I thought they'd offer more than we might, if they have. I get that but I don't know why you said "or perhaps" - implying I'd suggested an alternative reason. RoyMac5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caerphilly Ram Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Ram-Alf said: I'm aware of all the above, Some posters last season were intimating Sibley was one of our higher wage earners some claiming £20k a week 🤷♂️, I doubt very much that DCFC were considering getting that close. But if Rotherham are in the frame according to BT and Rotherham are prepared to pay what could be close to what Sibley wants then my post still stands. Apologies Alf, I took the wording and tone of your initial post as implying we were somehow being financially outmuscled by Rotherham, I was just looking to suggest it may be down to choice on our part rather than spending power. EDIT - taking your car auction analogy, we’re both looking at the same car, I bid £1000 as that’s what I believe it is worth but could go higher if I wanted to, you bid £1100 and I think “it’s not fair value so I’ll take my money elsewhere”, not that I couldn’t bid further but I chose not to. Edited May 29 by Caerphilly Ram Chester40 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram-Alf Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 1 minute ago, Caerphilly Ram said: Apologies Alf, I took the wording and tone of your initial post as implying we were somehow being financially outmuscled by Rotherham, I was just looking to suggest it may be down to choice on our part rather than spending power. No apologies needed. We all have a figure in mind of what a player is worth...even in our world 👍, If Rotherham pay what Sibley believes he's worth then fare play, Money in football is the biggest driver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram-Alf Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 7 minutes ago, Caerphilly Ram said: EDIT - taking your car auction analogy, we’re both looking at the same car, I bid £1000 as that’s what I believe it is worth but could go higher if I wanted to, you bid £1100 and I think “it’s not fair value so I’ll take my money elsewhere”, not that I couldn’t bid further but I chose not to. Then the highest bidder wins...me...as I out bid you, I don't know you have more loot in your back pocket...the auctioneer says it's me as "I out bid you" 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Returning ram Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 12 minutes ago, Ram-Alf said: You and I are at a car auction, I offer £1000, You offer £1100, I drop out you win...why because you out bid me 👍 Not really, it's not an auction. We have offered him a set amount of a wage, which we aren't prepared to go over. We arent bidding against anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wignall12 Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 7 minutes ago, Ram-Alf said: Then the highest bidder wins...me...as I out bid you, I don't know you have more loot in your back pocket...the auctioneer says it's me as "I out bid you" 😉 Is this the 5 minute argument or the full half hour ? Wolfie, BigTravIsGod and BOB BIGGS 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram-Alf Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 3 minutes ago, Wignall12 said: Is this the 5 minute argument or the full half hour ? Depends on how much you’re prepared to pay😁 RoyMac5 and Elwood P Dowd 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Ram Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 4 minutes ago, Wignall12 said: Is this the 5 minute argument or the full half hour ? I told you once…. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Trav Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 Not too sure about Collo, last I heard it was between us and Brum 1 hour ago, Srg said: that tracks with this. This guy has been right numerous Derby4Me 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbobram Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 2 hours ago, Srg said: that tracks with this. This guy has been right numerous times. its the same person Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valakari Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 2 hours ago, Rich3478 said: We’re bidding outbid on wages for a particular player, there is a difference. Warne and club obviously have an idea of what sibley is worth salary wise. Rotherham seemingly value him higher. sibley isn’t a keep at all costs player is he, is a player we’ve moulded into a wing back but otherwise struggled to force his way into team regularly. No, but Knight, Bird and then Sibley...how to dismantle our academy products one by one for bugger all..and leave us with Bradley, Fornah, Collins et al... This is,what happens when you get a Div 1 specialist in...gets rid of the talented footballers, brings in athletes..and gets relegated against teams that can play football! Don't get me wrong, he was obviously what Clowes saw as a way out of Div 1, and it worked..so brilliant business. My caveat to this though, he is also not very good at keeping a side in the Championship...which worries me..i hope i am wrong! RoyMac5, strawhillram, jeff and 2 others 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambitious Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 I wish Sibley all the best, but surprised it’s Rotherham under Steve Evans. He was such a special, special talent. The best I’ve seen in a Derby shirt at academy level and it will be rough to see him leave because I always thought he’d put it all together, maybe he will away from Derby, I really hope he does anyway. If we have offered him reduced terms, which I imagine we have, then we aren’t due any compensation either. It’s obviously not what I would’ve done in Warne/Clowes’ position. I’d have made sure the contract was signed a long time ago, but nothing I can do about it so I’ll try and not worry and just hope the club know what they’re doing. Jimbo Ram, angieram and CBRammette 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcfcgodd Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 In regards to Sibley would we be due compensation if he didn’t sign a new deal that has been offered to him and went elsewhere? I have a feeling we would as he’s come through the academy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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