Tamworthram Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 25 minutes ago, DazzaRam said: Whoever advised Clowes to appoint Warne over Rosenoir should be locked up for football crimes!! If its just Clowes's decision then he should pay up for his horrendous error. Clowes will always be a hero for saving the club but the decision to not appoint Rosenoir will go down in history as one of the worst at Derby. Warne has sucked the life out of Derby fans. Hes in a special club of managers now along with Jewell,Brown and Docherty!! How do you propose the man who stepped in and saved our club (a hero in your own words) should pay for his "horrendous error"? An error (if that is what it turns out to be) is easy to see in hindsight. Was it really such a horrendous error at the time to appoint a manager with three league one promotions out of three attempts? We all know PW doesn't have a good record of keeping teams in the Championship but, without the benefit of a crystal ball, it was probably reasonable to assume that he knew how to get teams promoted. Miggins 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 8 minutes ago, Chris_Martin said: because he's never kept a team in the championship before. So isn't it very short term to hire someone who is effectively useless as soon as we get promoted? But you said the goal was to get us promoted to The Championship? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 1 hour ago, littleover ram said: Now he’s gone they’re an established championship side They're in the relegation spots.... Tamworthram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 12 minutes ago, Mojo70 said: John Eustace was doing an excellent job at Birmingham until they showed him the door. Discuss. Talk us though the conditions under which he was operating and style of play etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Martin Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 7 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: So we were winning all of these games we were controlling I assume? How come we were 7th in the division? yes we won the majority of them. Rosenior only lost 3 out of 12 games We were 7th, but it was quite clear that we were improving as the the squad were starting to gel and rosenior's tactics and style were getting implemented. Warne finished 7th last season whilst playing a pretty dreadful style of football. One of them had Didzy to rely on and one didn't. I know which i'd prefer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 1 minute ago, Chris_Martin said: yes we won the majority of them. Rosenior only lost 3 out of 12 games We were 7th, but it was quite clear that we were improving as the the squad were starting to gel and rosenior's tactics and style were getting implemented. Warne finished 7th last season whilst playing a pretty dreadful style of football. One of them had Didzy to rely on and one didn't. I know which i'd prefer It wasnt clear to me. From memory we were still failing to win games away from home, as we had been the previous season (when incidentally many say Rosenior was the brains behind the operation) Premier ram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Martin Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 8 minutes ago, Ilkestonian said: No because you can just get rid after we've got promoted like we should've done with the poison dwarf and get someone more equipped for the higher division. so we'd have to have another rebuild then whilst trying to stay in the division. not a very viable plan in my opinion. DCFC Kicks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamworthram Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 5 minutes ago, Van der MoodHoover said: They're in the relegation spots.... And have only been in the Championship two seasons. Hardly "established" Van der MoodHoover 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S8TY Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 20 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: So Rosenior with his own players had 11/12 games and it was in its infancy. Warne with his players has had only slightly longer, with most of his signings out injured, but that is not in its infancy? Not even defending Warne, just pointing out the inconsistency in the way you judge the 2. I have been bored by both styles to be honest. How can warne be in its infancy ? he's had over a year ? If Rosenior was still not getting results after a year I'd be asking the same of him....sometimes managers suit and sometimes they don't but Warne was always a strange choice. The other reason I would've kept Rosenior and gave him more of a chance was because I think he deserved a good crack at it considering the season before and all of the hassles and limitations but didn't walk away. I've mentioned this before but one of the assessors for FA coaching told me that Rosenior was one of the most inivitive and brightest coaches he'd assessed and said in his opinion he'd go onto be a good manager or coach and this was at a time i and a few on here had there reservations about him when second to Rooney Walkley Ram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Martin Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 8 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: But you said the goal was to get us promoted to The Championship? but the longer term goal is surely to be a competitive championship side Barney1991, DCFC Kicks and S8TY 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Martin Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: It wasnt clear to me. From memory we were still failing to win games away from home, as we had been the previous season (when incidentally many say Rosenior was the brains behind the operation) rosenior only lost 3 out of 12 games. If he was the brains behind the operation in the championship, then he did a pretty good job because we weren't far off overcoming the minus 21 points Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilkestonian Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 4 minutes ago, Chris_Martin said: so we'd have to have another rebuild then whilst trying to stay in the division. not a very viable plan in my opinion. But I think we'd need a rebuild if we got promoted, in squad and maybe manager and to think otherwise is a little naive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 4 minutes ago, S8TY said: How can warne be in its infancy ? he's had over a year ? If Rosenior was still not getting results after a year I'd be asking the same of him....sometimes managers suit and sometimes they don't but Warne was always a strange choice. The other reason I would've kept Rosenior and gave him more of a chance was because I think he deserved a good crack at it considering the season before and all of the hassles and limitations but didn't walk away. I've mentioned this before but one of the assessors for FA coaching told me that Rosenior was one of the most inivitive and brightest coaches he'd assessed and said in his opinion he'd go onto be a good manager or coach and this was at a time i and a few on here had there reservations about him when second to Rooney Warne has had a handful of games with his own players. Injuries have meant he is unable to field his team so far. Bald Eagle's Barmy Army, BPV, RoyMac5 and 4 others 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 5 minutes ago, Chris_Martin said: but the longer term goal is surely to be a competitive championship side Well the longer term goal would be Premier League but one step at a time. Chris_Martin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, Chris_Martin said: rosenior only lost 3 out of 12 games. If he was the brains behind the operation in the championship, then he did a pretty good job because we weren't far off overcoming the minus 21 points If we were even slightly decent away from home we would have stayed up. We started League One the way we spent the whole Championship season completely clueless on how to win an away game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S8TY Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 5 minutes ago, Chris_Martin said: but the longer term goal is surely to be a competitive championship side The teams that seem to hit the ground running when getting promoted from L1 to the Championship don't play the archaeic football drudge that we are watching ...lets get a good young side together playing good attractive football that we can all get behind a team that will not need major surgery in the championship Chris_Martin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alram Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 Can someone dive into the details of results v League position? I have never known a manager with such a bad record against top half teams, I don’t know whether it’s in my mind but it feels like we lose every game against top half teams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanjwitham Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: Well the longer term goal would be Premier League but one step at a time. It’s ambitious I know, but we could easily be in the Nothern Premier League within 4 or 5 seasons, the way we’re going… 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raich Carter Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 So many very clever people who have half the facts and absolutely no experience of any of it but let’s not let that get in the way of… Derby4Me, nogbad van 50 and Caerphilly Ram 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomTom92 Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 Most of the fans want him out, but DC and SP want to stick with him. Dreadful stuff. Whether they like it or not, once the fans turn its game over. BPV, PrideParkhead, deanoakaram4life and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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