Boycie Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 5 hours ago, Big Trav said: Yes, heard Watford are one of the clubs that want him. But there’s a few so fingers crossed for a bidding war We owe Watford a big payout for the Anya and Vydra deal. jimtastic56 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 6 hours ago, Big Trav said: Yes, heard Watford are one of the clubs that want him. But there’s a few so fingers crossed for a bidding war Would improve Watford - can we have Ebosele back on a free as well via Udinese via the family Crewton and RoyMac5 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcfcsr92 Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 On 16/12/2022 at 23:57, Jubbs said: The ability to hold together a midfield. Playing as a solo DM allows others, in Brum's case, Hannibal and Bacuna, freedom to go forward without having to worry too much about defending. He won 8/11 duels and made 6 tackles. Not just his defensive abilities, the way he finds gaps and finds players in attacking positions! Where ever bielik ends up i hope it works out for him he deserves to be playing in the prem. Really hope he stays but cant blame him if he moves on if it means we can hopefully make abit of money back on him! Just think most of tjem will be add ons just because of his injuries recently Jubbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnero Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 20 minutes ago, Dcfcsr92 said: Not just his defensive abilities, the way he finds gaps and finds players in attacking positions! Where ever bielik ends up i hope it works out for him he deserves to be playing in the prem. Really hope he stays but cant blame him if he moves on if it means we can hopefully make abit of money back on him! Just think most of tjem will be add ons just because of his injuries recently Low fee with a decent sell on clause will probably be the best option. Say £1m + 30% sell on, and hope he stays fit. jimtastic56 and RoyMac5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney1991 Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 4 minutes ago, Carnero said: Low fee with a decent sell on clause will probably be the best option. Say £1m + 30% sell on, and hope he stays fit. Don’t we owe Arsenal 8 million still for him so that’s an 6 million loss on a polish international who a crazy ain’t it. Just shows injuries have ruined any attempt to make money on him jimtastic56 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richinspain Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 6 minutes ago, Barney1991 said: Don’t we owe Arsenal 8 million still for him so that’s an 6 million loss on a polish international who a crazy ain’t it. Just shows injuries have ruined any attempt to make money on him Why do people think that we still owe 8 million for Bielik? I would assume that we are paying the fee over the duration of his contract. He signed for us in 2019. I believe that his contract runs until summer 2024? So a 5 year contract of which there are one and a half remaining. So we paid 26.6 million for him! That's an even bigger bargain than Martin Waghorn! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caerphilly Ram Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 12 minutes ago, richinspain said: Why do people think that we still owe 8 million for Bielik? I would assume that we are paying the fee over the duration of his contract. He signed for us in 2019. I believe that his contract runs until summer 2024? So a 5 year contract of which there are one and a half remaining. So we paid 26.6 million for him! That's an even bigger bargain than Martin Waghorn! Good point, if we owe them anything it surely isn’t the full fee, unless they deferred payments to help us out during admin. Also some of the alleged fee was potentially made up of add-ons for appearances/promotion etc. I shared something in another thread earlier today, at the supporters group meeting in Sept David Clowes was quoted as saying the club is now debt free, so if that’s the case we must not owe anything for Bielik now? 48 hours, richinspain and Ted McMinn Football Genius 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richinspain Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 5 minutes ago, Caerphilly Ram said: Good point, if we owe them anything it surely isn’t the full fee, unless they deferred payments to help us out during admin. Also some of the alleged fee was potentially made up of add-ons for appearances/promotion etc. I shared something in another thread earlier today, at the supporters group meeting in Sept David Clowes was quoted as saying the club is now debt free, so if that’s the case we must not owe anything for Bielik now? I would assume that debt free means that we aren't in arrears. I don't think that we will have paid his full fee (however much it is) yet. Caerphilly Ram, jimtastic56 and Crewton 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roboto Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 29 minutes ago, richinspain said: I would assume that debt free means that we aren't in arrears. I don't think that we will have paid his full fee (however much it is) yet. Could it also be that the player value in the books is at a higher value than the amount we still need to pay to Arsenal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richinspain Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 8 minutes ago, roboto said: Could it also be that the player value in the books is at a higher value than the amount we still need to pay to Arsenal? Only in Uncle Mel's books, surely? jimtastic56 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Ram Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 17 hours ago, Boycie said: We owe Watford a big payout for the Anya and Vydra deal. We made money on Vydra didn’t we and in the end he did well ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 On 17/12/2022 at 11:48, cannable said: You’d argue that Bielik’s best spell for us was when Rooney had him playing as rampaging midfield destroyer in a 442. Suppose it would be a question of whether he still has the legs. Why, Where's he put them? ? 48 hours and jimtastic56 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boycie Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 3 hours ago, Jimbo Ram said: We made money on Vydra didn’t we and in the end he did well ? The deal was for both, did the Vydra fee cover both of them? Can’t remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 Did Mel weight the transfer fee to be loaded towards the end of it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Ram Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 3 hours ago, Boycie said: The deal was for both, did the Vydra fee cover both of them? Can’t remember. Separate deals weren’t they ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boycie Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 7 hours ago, Jimbo Ram said: Separate deals weren’t they ? Probably undisclosed too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Ram Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 55 minutes ago, Boycie said: Probably undisclosed too. Thought Anya was c4 mill and Vydra c8 mill ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crewton Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 IIRC, money owed to other clubs for fees etc was around £8m in total. We know that around £2.5m was owed for Joswiak, so the most that could have been owed for Bielek would have been between £5-6m, less any smaller sums if any still owing to other clubs for the likes of Byrne, Davies, Lawrence et al. It was also rumoured that the Administrators had paid Arsenal a further installment during administration, but I can't remember if the total of monies owed in the updated Statement of Affairs after the club was released from administration. 48 hours and jimtastic56 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney1991 Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 15 hours ago, RoyMac5 said: Did Mel weight the transfer fee to be loaded towards the end of it? Yes basically it was like 1 million upfront and then lost at the end of the deal. It was touted around all the time we owed Arsenal 8 for him still. That’s probably already been paid to exit admin through football debt but clowes can’t be happy to be 8 million down and sell him for a million Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 29 minutes ago, Barney1991 said: Yes basically it was like 1 million upfront and then lost at the end of the deal. It was touted around all the time we owed Arsenal 8 for him still. That’s probably already been paid to exit admin through football debt but clowes can’t be happy to be 8 million down and sell him for a million I'm sure he wasn't happy paying as much as he did for us fullstop. ? But at least we can get his wages off the books. jimtastic56 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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