Ram-Alf Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 51 minutes ago, ramit said: Some are of the opinion that Ukrainian secret service and western secret services have recruited Prigozhin and convinced him that on the road to Moscow the mayors of towns and cities would openly support him, along with armed units and then a coup would succeed. Others suspect that this is a ploy by Putin and Prigozhin to establish a reason to take a more hard line position and to expose and replace the commanders, mayors etc who fell for the ploy. Time will tell...perhaps, but i wouldn't search for clues for what this is in the news reporting, except maybe to spot what it isn't. You're a little closer geographically to Russia than us here in the UK...so I'll agree with you 😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram-Alf Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 (edited) BBC reporting from Reuters that "the Kremlin say avoiding bloodshed and punishing people and have decided not to punish the Wagner soldiers and also they say Prigozhin will move to Belarus and the case against him is dropped and added they do not know where he is now" Well a strange day has been had 😁 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news Edited June 24, 2023 by The Last Post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ketteringram Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Maybe he'll then invade Ukraine from Belarus.🤔 therealhantsram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 For real insight I've been listening to the expert panel on GB News. It's 3 people.... 1- a young lady I don't recognize 2- Aggie from "how clean is your house" 3- ex radio 1 dj mike read. The insights are flowing........ Jesus Mary and Joseph....🙄 Wolfie, Ramarena, GboroRam and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyinLiverpool Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 2 minutes ago, Van der MoodHoover said: For real insight I've been listening to the expert panel on GB News. It's 3 people.... 1- a young lady I don't recognize 2- Aggie from "how clean is your house" 3- ex radio 1 dj mike read. The insights are flowing........ Jesus Mary and Joseph....🙄 Mike Read has bona fide GB news credentials thanks to his blacked-up calypso 'fun' at a UKIP conference. GboroRam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 2 minutes ago, AndyinLiverpool said: Mike Read has bona fide GB news credentials thanks to his blacked-up calypso 'fun' at a UKIP conference. The description is of poaching a.bbc legend. Racist light entertainment hasn't yet come up as a topic. Oh and the young woman is Alice Grant. I'm none the wiser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 35 minutes ago, Van der MoodHoover said: For real insight I've been listening to the expert panel on GB News. It's 3 people.... 1- a young lady I don't recognize 2- Aggie from "how clean is your house" 3- ex radio 1 dj mike read. The insights are flowing........ Jesus Mary and Joseph....🙄 Don't upset @Archied. GboroRam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gritstone Ram Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 I would suggest that Yevgeny Prigozhin is very careful what he eats and maybe open his door with lead gloves. Gisby 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBX1985 Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 2 minutes ago, Gritstone Ram said: I would suggest that Yevgeny Prigozhin is very careful what he eats and maybe open his door with lead gloves. Yes. He is marching his troops Moscow bound and then, despite travelling hundreds of miles capitulates to a Russian (Proxy) ally in Belarus. I would suggest he was told "you retreat and go to Belarus, or we drop a tactical nuclear device on you and your men in five minutes'. He, and his men, at least have a small chance of survival this way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gritstone Ram Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 2 minutes ago, CBX1985 said: Yes. He is marching his troops Moscow bound and then, despite travelling hundreds of miles capitulates to a Russian (Proxy) ally in Belarus. I would suggest he was told "you retreat and go to Belarus, or we drop a tactical nuclear device on you and your men in five minutes'. He, and his men, at least have a small chance of survival this way. It was a quick turnaround. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archied Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 6 hours ago, Eddie said: Don't upset @Archied. God no @Eddie, he s right , I flicked that on last night and thought wtf , quickly switched it off 🤷🏻♂️, Eddie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram-Alf Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 6 hours ago, Gritstone Ram said: I would suggest that Yevgeny Prigozhin is very careful what he eats and maybe open his door with lead gloves. You wouldn't want to sell him a life insurance policy 😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamworthram Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 7 hours ago, CBX1985 said: Yes. He is marching his troops Moscow bound and then, despite travelling hundreds of miles capitulates to a Russian (Proxy) ally in Belarus. I would suggest he was told "you retreat and go to Belarus, or we drop a tactical nuclear device on you and your men in five minutes'. He, and his men, at least have a small chance of survival this way. More likely monies done the talking again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram-Alf Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 43 minutes ago, Tamworthram said: More likely monies done the talking again. That's one reason that's been talked about, But he's worth 100s of millions of £$€s, They found a shed load of loot in his premises, It's reported that the USA knew something was happening 3 days ago as Prigozhins forces and weapons were moving towards Russia. Prigozhin will not stay quiet, Putin will know this, Lukashenko has earned Putins thanks, Lukashenko will now look like a peace maker and get some brownie points. Where does Putin go from here?, I'm sure there was support from other Russian agencies for Wagner to get 200kms from Moscow, Was there a threat to use tactical nukes on him?, Did he have the forces to take Moscow?, The Russian people will be confused if they have been following on Telegram as their own news agency only puts out propaganda, There could now be a purge for Putin to assert his authoritarian policies. Ramarena 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBX1985 Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 1 hour ago, Tamworthram said: More likely monies done the talking again. Doubt it. He would make far more money should he make it to the Kremlin. Putin is believed to world's richest man. The general was scared - he himself is now a dead man walking (his men might be spared). No value in money when you are dead. He cannot travel as he is wanted by the International Criminal Court, so can only go to Belarus, where Putin can very easily have him killed. Ram-Alf 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ketteringram Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 28 minutes ago, CBX1985 said: Doubt it. He would make far more money should he make it to the Kremlin. Putin is believed to world's richest man. The general was scared - he himself is now a dead man walking (his men might be spared). No value in money when you are dead. He cannot travel as he is wanted by the International Criminal Court, so can only go to Belarus, where Putin can very easily have him killed. I presume he's aware of that. So why go there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i-Ram Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 We are just being played. Interest rate hike announcement on Friday, and revolution in Russia next day. Bloody Tories, and their BBC chums, pumping out fake news to deflect from poor management of our economy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBX1985 Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 28 minutes ago, ketteringram said: I presume he's aware of that. So why go there? Putin will not have wanted to nuke an area 100miles from Moscow. But that was the only way to stop him (what else could he offer a man prepared to mutineer against him? After agreeing terms, he needed some "way out". That was it - nowhere that might offer relative safety would allow him in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 Prigozhin didn't think he would threaten Moscow and Putin would surrender, apologise and have over hand over the keys Russia always hide things in plain sight and make minimal effort (on purpose) to cover their lies. This looks like a scripted event and it wouldn't surprise me if that's exactly what it was. Unless it's a play by Prigozhin to pressure the MoD? No way did he threaten Putin on a whim and change his mind 10 minutes later after Putin told him off. He's going to hide in Belarus? Yeah, I'm sure he'll be safe there. I very much doubt The West has recruited him. How does that make sense for either side? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bwash_Ram Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 ramit 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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