The Administration Thread

[Abu Derby]

Until Stevie Nics reports something “breaking“ then Q’s Benedictine monk impressions continue ad infinitum or whenever the money runs out, whichever is sooner. 

[Abu Derby]

1 minute ago, Chester40 said:

The story was inaccurate,  he hasn't pulled out.

I pulled out earlier mate. 

[B4ev6is]

15 minutes ago, Boycie said:

They’ve not offered enough money B4.

Would you let someone in the cinema if they only had £2?

Mike ashley has most money and settle debts in one go surely make scences to give to him.

Well if got a insider card and how points is on them and money they could use it to make it cheaper to get in.

[Ramos]

18 minutes ago, Boycie said:

They’ve not offered enough money B4.

Would you let someone in the cinema if they only had £2?

Just go through the fire exit. Can usually jimmy it open. 

[MaltRam]

31 minutes ago, MackworthRamIsGod said:

Mel Morris or liquidation.

It's like choosing whether to French kiss your gran or lick ya dogs arse.

Tough times.

More like french kissing your dog or licking your grans arse. I'm frenching Fido every time. Welcome back Mel.

[B4ev6is]

5 minutes ago, Ramos said:

Just go through the fire exit. Can usually jimmy it open. 

No chance that one

[TuffLuff]

Ok so after reading the statement tonight I went away and gathered my thoughts. I think how I feel about this is quite different to others, but I hope people can read it and understand where I’m coming from. I have no positive conclusions, and I get some people aren’t really up for something like this so if it’s you then feel free to ignore this post and read on. It’s going to be long, unapologetically ponderous and contain atleast one swear word! Also I’ll be the first to admit, what I think is going on has swung wildly throughout this thread, so I’m not saying I’m 100% correct.

—————-

My main point I want to get over here, is that I’m very concerned that Derby (anything connected to the club or the community) has found itself in the middle of a pissing contest between a lot of rich men. We were warned about this happening way back at the start of administration, by Mel in his interview with Ed Dawes and I think by Q early on too. That a lot of interest is expressed by people and you’ve got to shift through the chancers essentially. The one thing that seems weird to say at the minute is that Derby County is a huge club, and there are people out there trying to snatch us on the cheap and are trying to upset the process to put themselves in pole position without having the best offer.

Now let’s look at the culprits who’ve been involved:

Mel Morris- Now Mel’s the biggest and most important one, but there are key differences here to everyone else involved. One is that Mel has been involved in the pissing contest for *years* now with the EFL, but also he’s upfront his involvement. Many won’t like this, but I do think Mel is somewhat sceptical by some of those in the bidding process and whether they are right for the club and so are the admins. I’ll be clear, im not ‘pro-Mel’ and hope my past posts would be enough to prove that! He’s the one who’s got us in the mess and this is all his doing, but I think hes aware of that fact and is trying to do the right deal with the right person. It’s not nice for us, but I can’t see how Mel’s current position works in any other way? I have said this repeatedly but Mel loses a lot more than just money if no deal is made, but if it goes to the wrong person he also loses out. Him and the admins need the right deal here which isn’t easy.

Chris Kirchner- He may be out of the race and shouting from the sidelines but he’s been a problem for a long time. First he went about cooing Rooney but then was rattling off on Twitter until recently. He tried to be clever and gain an advantage, it didn’t work and went after the administrators. It didn’t help anything. Essentially I think he showed himself up and we became wary.

The Binnies- Bit more of an interesting on this I think, but it’s a similar pattern, came out guns blazing about their bid, all goes quiet and then blame the administrators. But I think the important thing with The Binnies, Kirchner and Ashley is that the see a club with top facilities, the potential to grow and everything else and want it on the cheap. When they don’t have a strong enough plan in how to achieve that potential then they fall short in the eyes of the admins and Morris.

Mike Ashley - The most well known and currently the one trying to pull everything in his favour. No care for anything else, he’s interested in Derby the asset and not the club. Everyone is reluctant to deal with him but if all else fails he will still be there willing to pay the lowest price possible. 

Steve Gibson and Couhig- This is old ground we don’t really want to get into, but they caused a major blockage in this and caused damage to the club. Why? Because they could.

There are more minor players involved too, ‘the itk game’ on social media of people putting confusing and unhelpful info out there which is slanted to agenda which is usually ‘Mel is bad’. Which I get, fully, but to what end is that helpful to the position the club is actually in? Journalists are doing it now too and it’s frankly confirmation bias for clicks. They are fuelling the fire to put everything in place to muddy the process, leaving it open to MA. Also don’t forget the role the EFL have had for years in this, but I think that’s down to just being useless more than anything 

Whilst everyone is trying to sort everything to their own means who’s left in the middle? The fans, the players, the management have taken hthe brunt of it. Arguably Q too, but frankly it’s their job to take it somewhat (All I’ll say about them is I think they got done over a bit when taking the job, but they have not helped themselves throughout this whole process). We are seeing the face of modern football for what it is, a contest played out on Twitter, in meeting rooms and through the press, between men for which have no passion for what football is.

Whats next? As I said at the start, there is no positive here. As fans we need to accept relegation and a likely points deduction but see the bigger picture. If you want to protest anything on Saturday then let it be about what these people have resorted this football club to. Expose the games they have played and the effects on the community around Derby County. I still think we will have a club at the end of this, but it is up to us to define what Derby County is and not anyone who takes us over.

Finally I didn’t include Appleby, that tweet came through just as I started writing this so decided to exclude him from my thinking. BUT FWIW his group was the one who haven’t really been involved so they don’t really fit in with what I’m saying!

Apologies for a long read, I’ve tried to spell/grammar check but if something doesn’t make sense I’ll try and clarify!

[Gee SCREAMER !!]

10 minutes ago, Abu Derby said:

Until Stevie Nics reports something “breaking“ then Q’s Benedictine monk impressions continue ad infinitum or whenever the money runs out, whichever is sooner. 

[ariotofmyown]

5 minutes ago, TuffLuff said:

Ok so after reading the statement tonight I went away and gathered my thoughts. I think how I feel about this is quite different to others, but I hope people can read it and understand where I’m coming from. I have no positive conclusions, and I get some people aren’t really up for something like this so if it’s you then feel free to ignore this post and read on. It’s going to be long, unapologetically ponderous and contain atleast one swear word! Also I’ll be the first to admit, what I think is going on has swung wildly throughout this thread, so I’m not saying I’m 100% correct.

—————-

My main point I want to get over here, is that I’m very concerned that Derby (anything connected to the club or the community) has found itself in the middle of a pissing contest between a lot of rich men. We were warned about this happening way back at the start of administration, by Mel in his interview with Ed Dawes and I think by Q early on too. That a lot of interest is expressed by people and you’ve got to shift through the chancers essentially. The one thing that seems weird to say at the minute is that Derby County is a huge club, and there are people out there trying to snatch us on the cheap and are trying to upset the process to put themselves in pole position without having the best offer.

Now let’s look at the culprits who’ve been involved:

Mel Morris- Now Mel’s the biggest and most important one, but there are key differences here to everyone else involved. One is that Mel has been involved in the pissing contest for *years* now with the EFL, but also he’s upfront his involvement. Many won’t like this, but I do think Mel is somewhat sceptical by some of those in the bidding process and whether they are right for the club and so are the admins. I’ll be clear, im not ‘pro-Mel’ and hope my past posts would be enough to prove that! He’s the one who’s got us in the mess and this is all his doing, but I think hes aware of that fact and is trying to do the right deal with the right person. It’s not nice for us, but I can’t see how Mel’s current position works in any other way? I have said this repeatedly but Mel loses a lot more than just money if no deal is made, but if it goes to the wrong person he also loses out. Him and the admins need the right deal here which isn’t easy.

Chris Kirchner- He may be out of the race and shouting from the sidelines but he’s been a problem for a long time. First he went about cooing Rooney but then was rattling off on Twitter until recently. He tried to be clever and gain an advantage, it didn’t work and went after the administrators. It didn’t help anything. Essentially I think he showed himself up and we became wary.

The Binnies- Bit more of an interesting on this I think, but it’s a similar pattern, came out guns blazing about their bid, all goes quiet and then blame the administrators. But I think the important thing with The Binnies, Kirchner and Ashley is that the see a club with top facilities, the potential to grow and everything else and want it on the cheap. When they don’t have a strong enough plan in how to achieve that potential then they fall short in the eyes of the admins and Morris.

Mike Ashley - The most well known and currently the one trying to pull everything in his favour. No care for anything else, he’s interested in Derby the asset and not the club. Everyone is reluctant to deal with him but if all else fails he will still be there willing to pay the lowest price possible. 

Steve Gibson and Couhig- This is old ground we don’t really want to get into, but they caused a major blockage in this and caused damage to the club. Why? Because they could.

There are more minor players involved too, ‘the itk game’ on social media of people putting confusing and unhelpful info out there which is slanted to agenda which is usually ‘Mel is bad’. Which I get, fully, but to what end is that helpful to the position the club is actually in? Journalists are doing it now too and it’s frankly confirmation bias for clicks. They are fuelling the fire to put everything in place to muddy the process, leaving it open to MA. Also don’t forget the role the EFL have had for years in this, but I think that’s down to just being useless more than anything 

Whilst everyone is trying to sort everything to their own means who’s left in the middle? The fans, the players, the management have taken hthe brunt of it. Arguably Q too, but frankly it’s their job to take it somewhat (All I’ll say about them is I think they got done over a bit when taking the job, but they have not helped themselves throughout this whole process). We are seeing the face of modern football for what it is, a contest played out on Twitter, in meeting rooms and through the press, between men for which have no passion for what football is.

Whats next? As I said at the start, there is no positive here. As fans we need to accept relegation and a likely points deduction but see the bigger picture. If you want to protest anything on Saturday then let it be about what these people have resorted this football club to. Expose the games they have played and the effects on the community around Derby County. I still think we will have a club at the end of this, but it is up to us to define what Derby County is and not anyone who takes us over.

Finally I didn’t include Appleby, that tweet came through just as I started writing this so decided to exclude him from my thinking. BUT FWIW his group was the one who haven’t really been involved so they don’t really fit in with what I’m saying!

Apologies for a long read, I’ve tried to spell/grammar check but if something doesn’t make sense I’ll try and clarify!

Basically, all rich men are see you next Tuesdays. Twas always so.

Maybe this will be start of the fightback against extreme capitalism.

Football isn't business. It a freaking sport. It's supposed to be fun. Maybe a local fan can buy a couple of extra players that the usual income can't afford.

Not create a few hundred shell companies to disguise funds. How did football end up as this pile of sh ite?

I dream of us getting promoted and finishing 10th. What a funking dream that is. 

Where will the rich hide if we beat down their corrupt doors?

[ariotofmyown]

10 minutes ago, Gee SCREAMER !! said:

Landslide

[BuckoBeast]

30 minutes ago, Gee SCREAMER !! said:

Not sure whats happened there it loaded earlier,  Basically mate it appears someone emailed Appleby and he advised it's inaccurate that he's not still in the running and has pulled out and thanked him for a nice message.

He’s not still in the running ? 

[i-Ram]

9 minutes ago, Gee SCREAMER !! said:

Blimey, I remember belting a few out for Stevie in the early 1980’s. In my defence your Honour I would ask you to consider Exhibit 1

[i-Ram]

4 minutes ago, ariotofmyown said:

Basically, all rich men are see you next Tuesdays. Twas always so.

Maybe this will be start of the fightback against extreme capitalism.

Football isn't business. It a freaking sport. It's supposed to be fun. Maybe a local fan can buy a couple of extra players that the usual income can't afford.

Not create a few hundred shell companies to disguise funds. How did football end up as this pile of sh ite?

I dream of us getting promoted and finishing 10th. What a funking dream that is. 

Where will the rich hide if we beat down their corrupt doors?

You alright Hun?

[Ram a lamb a ding dong]

All this protest poo was my brainchild as stated a week or so back so I will now pat myself on the back

[ariotofmyown]

10 minutes ago, i-Ram said:

You alright Hun?

A few beers today. Fight the power.

[Gee SCREAMER !!]

15 minutes ago, BuckoBeast said:

He’s not still in the running ? 

No mate, he is.

[BramcoteRam84]

Well what have we learned today?

Q are in a very weak position and that statement shows they are rattled. They are not in control of this process. 

The bidders are UK and US but doesn’t look like the UK is Mike Ashley hence they haven’t contacted him. Could the UK bid be Mel Morris? If not then a Gadsby Consortium? Who knows 

We currently have no viable bids to retain the golden share. This is implied in the Q statement. 

There is some serious negotiating that needs to be done if a solution is to be found and logic would suggest then stadium is the number 1 lever to unlock this. 
 

I wonder what Q’s % confidence of avoiding liquidation will be now. 
 

Personally- I still think we will be saved at the 11th hour as either something will be worked out between Mel and the current bidders, or Mel will be forced to hand over the stadium and Mike Ashley will swoop in at the death to buy the club for £25m-30m

[Foreveram]

4 minutes ago, Ram a lamb a ding dong said:

All this protest poo was my brainchild as stated a week or so back so I will now pat myself on the back

Here’s a pat for you

[ariotofmyown]

Mel wants 20 million for the stadium? I wish he had been so picky with just Butterfield, Johnson, Anya and Blackman.

That's approaching 20 million in transfer fees and another 20 million in wages (30k per week x 3 years x 4 players). Thanks Mel you moron.

We should have been up in front of the EFL for that shambles.

[The_Sheriff]

59 minutes ago, TuffLuff said:

Ok so after reading the statement tonight I went away and gathered my thoughts. I think how I feel about this is quite different to others, but I hope people can read it and understand where I’m coming from. I have no positive conclusions, and I get some people aren’t really up for something like this so if it’s you then feel free to ignore this post and read on. It’s going to be long, unapologetically ponderous and contain atleast one swear word! Also I’ll be the first to admit, what I think is going on has swung wildly throughout this thread, so I’m not saying I’m 100% correct.

—————-

My main point I want to get over here, is that I’m very concerned that Derby (anything connected to the club or the community) has found itself in the middle of a pissing contest between a lot of rich men. We were warned about this happening way back at the start of administration, by Mel in his interview with Ed Dawes and I think by Q early on too. That a lot of interest is expressed by people and you’ve got to shift through the chancers essentially. The one thing that seems weird to say at the minute is that Derby County is a huge club, and there are people out there trying to snatch us on the cheap and are trying to upset the process to put themselves in pole position without having the best offer.

Now let’s look at the culprits who’ve been involved:

Mel Morris- Now Mel’s the biggest and most important one, but there are key differences here to everyone else involved. One is that Mel has been involved in the pissing contest for *years* now with the EFL, but also he’s upfront his involvement. Many won’t like this, but I do think Mel is somewhat sceptical by some of those in the bidding process and whether they are right for the club and so are the admins. I’ll be clear, im not ‘pro-Mel’ and hope my past posts would be enough to prove that! He’s the one who’s got us in the mess and this is all his doing, but I think hes aware of that fact and is trying to do the right deal with the right person. It’s not nice for us, but I can’t see how Mel’s current position works in any other way? I have said this repeatedly but Mel loses a lot more than just money if no deal is made, but if it goes to the wrong person he also loses out. Him and the admins need the right deal here which isn’t easy.

Chris Kirchner- He may be out of the race and shouting from the sidelines but he’s been a problem for a long time. First he went about cooing Rooney but then was rattling off on Twitter until recently. He tried to be clever and gain an advantage, it didn’t work and went after the administrators. It didn’t help anything. Essentially I think he showed himself up and we became wary.

The Binnies- Bit more of an interesting on this I think, but it’s a similar pattern, came out guns blazing about their bid, all goes quiet and then blame the administrators. But I think the important thing with The Binnies, Kirchner and Ashley is that the see a club with top facilities, the potential to grow and everything else and want it on the cheap. When they don’t have a strong enough plan in how to achieve that potential then they fall short in the eyes of the admins and Morris.

Mike Ashley - The most well known and currently the one trying to pull everything in his favour. No care for anything else, he’s interested in Derby the asset and not the club. Everyone is reluctant to deal with him but if all else fails he will still be there willing to pay the lowest price possible. 

Steve Gibson and Couhig- This is old ground we don’t really want to get into, but they caused a major blockage in this and caused damage to the club. Why? Because they could.

There are more minor players involved too, ‘the itk game’ on social media of people putting confusing and unhelpful info out there which is slanted to agenda which is usually ‘Mel is bad’. Which I get, fully, but to what end is that helpful to the position the club is actually in? Journalists are doing it now too and it’s frankly confirmation bias for clicks. They are fuelling the fire to put everything in place to muddy the process, leaving it open to MA. Also don’t forget the role the EFL have had for years in this, but I think that’s down to just being useless more than anything 

Whilst everyone is trying to sort everything to their own means who’s left in the middle? The fans, the players, the management have taken hthe brunt of it. Arguably Q too, but frankly it’s their job to take it somewhat (All I’ll say about them is I think they got done over a bit when taking the job, but they have not helped themselves throughout this whole process). We are seeing the face of modern football for what it is, a contest played out on Twitter, in meeting rooms and through the press, between men for which have no passion for what football is.

Whats next? As I said at the start, there is no positive here. As fans we need to accept relegation and a likely points deduction but see the bigger picture. If you want to protest anything on Saturday then let it be about what these people have resorted this football club to. Expose the games they have played and the effects on the community around Derby County. I still think we will have a club at the end of this, but it is up to us to define what Derby County is and not anyone who takes us over.

Finally I didn’t include Appleby, that tweet came through just as I started writing this so decided to exclude him from my thinking. BUT FWIW his group was the one who haven’t really been involved so they don’t really fit in with what I’m saying!

Apologies for a long read, I’ve tried to spell/grammar check but if something doesn’t make sense I’ll try and clarify!

So theres no one who is any good?