kevinhectoring Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 (edited) forget the technical stuff. The news this morning that Ashley is in discussions with Gibson suggests we'll be OK. Because it shows Ashley is committed to us and because Ashley has the heft to force Gibson into a deal. And we also have backups in the form of Appleby and Gadsby and even MM. And because Q have now understood what the problems are and what they need to do to fix things The key signals as to where it's going will be in the transfer market, because so long as we are losing players the situation is not under control. If we do not lose more key players, this really could become the most thrilling season in living memory. I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that if we keep the current squad, the biggest risk to us is not Gibson or the EFL, it's injuries Edited January 16, 2022 by kevinhectoring andyburton72, David Graham Brown, 1967Ram and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yani P Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 Suppose it depends on whether that story is actually true or just more press BS. David Graham Brown, RoyMac5 and Crewton 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai Capp Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 3 minutes ago, kevinhectoring said: forget the technical stuff. The news this morning that Ashley is in discussions with Gibson suggests we'll be OK. Because it shows Ashley is committed to us and because Ashley has the heft to force Gibson into a deal. And we also have backups in the form of Appleby and Gadsby and even MM. And because Q have now understood what the problems are and what they need to do to fix things The key signals as to where it's going will be in the transfer market, because so long as we are losing players the situation is not under control. If we do not lose more key players, this really could become the most thrilling season in living memory. I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that if we keep the current squad, the biggest risk to us is not Gibson or the EFL, it's injuries It seems Nixon has been getting leaks from somewhere so there may be some truth in it. The other positive is that when you get two businessmen in a room without external involvement (in this case Q and ELF chirping away) they usually come out with a deal. They'll then get the externals involved to make their decision happen. r_wilcockson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shipley Ram Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 4 minutes ago, kevinhectoring said: If we do not lose more key players, this really could become the most thrilling season in living memory. I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that if we keep the current squad, the biggest risk to us is not Gibson or the EFL, it's injuries I think thats being optimistic. I was watching Downfall last night and it struck me that yesterdays game was being like being in a wild April 1945 Berlin party, great party but because of the imminent defeat. I think we'll only have half a side by next week, and feel like curling up and crying about it. With the us18 and u23 games being on tv and watching them play and come through it would feel like a massive loss for the kids to depart on the cheap. I hope you are right and my fears are unfounded. Leeds Ram, kevinhectoring and Gritstone Tup 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 Just so I'm clear, this is how I understand the current situation, feel free to point out where I'm wrong. The admins have a preferred buyer lined up and ready to proceed, as they'd communicated to Wayne last week. That preferred buyer won't proceed with the purchase with the claims of Middlesbrough and Wycombe hanging over us, which can't be heard in the law courts, but only through the EFL dispute resolution process. The EFL don't know what these claims entail, but are insistent that they may be valid and therefore must be heard through an in house process If the claim was found correct against us, the compensation payable would become a football debt, therefore payable in full. In turn, as the EFL has no statute of limitation, we could then take QPR to a similar panel for denying us a place in the PL, and have a much stronger case for compensation, as we were 1 game removed from promotion, rather than 3. None of the above should have been a surprise to the administrators, so to claim the goalposts have been moved at the last minute is disingenuous at best, incompetent at worse. Neither party seems to be acting in the best interests of DCFC, which while I understand isn't the admins role, would seem to be a failing of the EFL's part. DCFC1388, Mick Brolly, David Graham Brown and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inverurie Ram Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 Mike Ashley Mike Ashley Give up your vows, give up your vows Save our Derby, save our Derby Right now kevinhectoring 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinhectoring Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 2 minutes ago, Shipley Ram said: I think thats being optimistic. I was watching Downfall last night and it struck me that yesterdays game was being like being in a wild April 1945 Berlin party, great party but because of the imminent defeat. I think we'll only have half a side by next week, and feel like curling up and crying about it. With the us18 and u23 games being on tv and watching them play and come through it would feel like a massive loss for the kids to depart on the cheap. I hope you are right and my fears are unfounded. it's a false economy to sell the youngsters on the cheap, when we have a chance of survival. The cost of the drop is much greater. Ultimately MM needs to be there as the backstop providing the shortfall of funds on 1/2. So be careful what you say about him on here CBRammette 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinhectoring Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 4 minutes ago, Rev said: Neither party seems to be acting in the best interests of DCFC, which while I understand isn't the admins role, would seem to be a failing of the EFL's part. I thought your post was perfect until this bit. The EFL are now $hit scared about this. They are not obliged to act in our best interests. As a regulator they need - at least in public - to deal with our situation in exactly the same way as they deal with other insolvencies, ie with a straight bat in accordance with precedent and their rules. David Graham Brown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shipley Ram Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 1 minute ago, kevinhectoring said: it's a false economy to sell the youngsters on the cheap, when we have a chance of survival. The cost of the drop is much greater. Ultimately MM needs to be there as the backstop providing the shortfall of funds on 1/2. So be careful what you say about him on here You are of course right, but I fear the pressure will be on the administrators to find the cash by the end of the month by doing everything they can. The Wigan admin sold Geldhart to Leeds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 4 minutes ago, kevinhectoring said: I thought your post was perfect until this bit. The EFL are now $hit scared about this. They are not obliged to act in our best interests. As a regulator they need - at least in public - to deal with our situation in exactly the same way as they deal with other insolvencies, ie with a straight bat in accordance with precedent and their rules. Yeah, I let emotion get the better of me with that part. kevinhectoring 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 To all those who are getting through to Parry could you please ask him if we can take legal action against QPR for cheating when they beat us in the play off final - I am sure the EFL would support us whilst obviously covering us for any costs related to the two original parasite clubs. David Graham Brown, Derby4Me, RoyMac5 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinhectoring Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Shipley Ram said: You are of course right, but I fear the pressure will be on the administrators to find the cash by the end of the month by doing everything they can. The Wigan admin sold Geldhart to Leeds massive irony here. For MM the holy grail became that the academy would be the future of the club, with the odd Bielik thrown in here and there. We are witnessing his dream unfold, cruelly for him, as we watch Bird soaring, Knight on his charger, Tommo with his grenades, the Festival of Festy - and with Bielik yet to roar back into life. No, MM needs to make it clear to the admins that he will do what is needed to stem the flow of talent. Edited January 16, 2022 by kevinhectoring jono, David Graham Brown, Shipley Ram and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 8 minutes ago, kevinhectoring said: I thought your post was perfect until this bit. The EFL are now $hit scared about this. They are not obliged to act in our best interests. As a regulator they need - at least in public - to deal with our situation in exactly the same way as they deal with other insolvencies, ie with a straight bat in accordance with precedent and their rules. So they wouldn’t mind if we did exactly the same to QPR ! I think the whole thing is utterly deplorable but we are now where we are and it possibly could be classed as an asset The Scarlet Pimpernel and r_wilcockson 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoldPete Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 18 minutes ago, kevinhectoring said: I thought your post was perfect until this bit. The EFL are now $hit scared about this. They are not obliged to act in our best interests. As a regulator they need - at least in public - to deal with our situation in exactly the same way as they deal with other insolvencies, ie with a straight bat in accordance with precedent and their rules. We are a member of the EFL. In fact a founding member. So yes they are required to act in our best interests, absolutely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinhectoring Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 1 minute ago, PistoldPete said: We are a member of the EFL. In fact a founding member. So yes they are required to act in our best interests, absolutely. nope they need to steer a course that serves the best interests of their membership as a whole Sorry to be dull RoyMac5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoldPete Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 15 minutes ago, Rev said: Yeah, I let emotion get the better of me with that part. Actually you were spot on on the last bit. The EFL are Sh$t scared why else is Rick Parry emailing people from Derby all weekend. It's damage limitation for them.. but it's too late EFL has "lost the dressing room". And as I say we are a member of EFL , a founding member so of course they have a duty to act in our best interests and the best interests of the fans. They are failing in that duty.. massively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 2 minutes ago, PistoldPete said: Actually you were spot on on the last bit. The EFL are Sh$t scared why else is Rick Parry emailing people from Derby all weekend. It's damage limitation for them.. but it's too late EFL has "lost the dressing room". And as I say we are a member of EFL , a founding member so of course they have a duty to act in our best interests and the best interests of the fans. They are failing in that duty.. massively. It's weird, who the hell do you think has been emailing people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 2 minutes ago, PistoldPete said: Actually you were spot on on the last bit. The EFL are Sh$t scared why else is Rick Parry emailing people from Derby all weekend. It's damage limitation for them.. but it's too late EFL has "lost the dressing room". And as I say we are a member of EFL , a founding member so of course they have a duty to act in our best interests and the best interests of the fans. They are failing in that duty.. massively. They need to be seen as neutral though. We don't however, the time has come for direct action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoldPete Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 1 minute ago, kevinhectoring said: nope they need to steer a course that serves the best interests of their membership as a whole Sorry to be dull That includes us, we are a member, and the member most in need of help right now. Giving any credence or status to Boro and Wycombe claims is not in the interest of any football club. Not even Boro or Wycombe because it brings them into disrepute. I think you are quite tone deaf about this, have you been on the internet since Friday apart from this forum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoldPete Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 3 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: It's weird, who the hell do you think has been emailing people? Sorry Roy you lost me there. Are you saying these reports of Rick Parry emailing Rams fans are false? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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