Pearl Ram Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 28 minutes ago, i-Ram said: Help me out Mucker. I have no idea of the reference so unsure what best way to respond to my mate @Curtains You might (or might not) remember a big hit single by Joni Mitchell in the early 70’s called Big Yellow Taxi, that was a reference to the vehicle used to cart someone away to the (dare I say) looney bin. ? Mucker1884 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Ram Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 Just now, Pearl Ram said: You might (or might not) remember a big hit single by Joni Mitchell in the early 70’s called Big Yellow Taxi, that was a reference to the vehicle used to cart someone away to the (dare I say) looney bin. ? Great song, love Joni….remember staying with my brother in London in the 80s, first game of the new season when we were at Chelsea. By chance I woke up to hear him playing a Joni album and the classic Chelsea Morning track came on ?. Turned out to be a Chelsea afternoon though when they hammered us 5-0, a certain Kerry Dixon making his debut and scoring a few….still enjoyed those days though…. Pearl Ram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 2 hours ago, angieram said: The way to express an opinion is to say "I think that..." "In my view..." Not Lawrence is crap Rooney is clueless. We are getting relegated. Must have been hundreds of posts said exactly the latter last season. Turned out not one of them was fact. any subjective comment is a personal opinion. I don't need someone to say IMO to realise that it is not a fact Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angieram Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 1 minute ago, Spanish said: any subjective comment is a personal opinion. I don't need someone to say IMO to realise that it is not a fact Oh, I see. Well, I do. I think that a lot of the arguments on here are because some people insist on posting their opinions as though they are truths. ramit and Gaspode 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, angieram said: Oh, I see. Well, I do. I think that a lot of the arguments on here are because some people insist on posting their opinions as though they are truths. we've just got one on here recently expressing his/her opinion and retorting later that nobody has challenged the stated facts. Now that is odd. We all hold personal truths doesn't mean they are facts I sent you a PM a few days ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Ram Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Spanish said: any subjective comment is a personal opinion. I don't need someone to say IMO to realise that it is not a fact There are some things that are opinion and some things that are facts, surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 Just now, Jimbo Ram said: There are some things that are opinion and some things that are facts, surely? such as we are going to get relegated, which is clearly an opinion and not a fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Ram Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 1 minute ago, Spanish said: such as we are going to get relegated, which is clearly an opinion and not a fact. That’s an opinion, Cocu has a better win % than Wazza is a fact, just for example…..so posts on here will be a mixture of the two… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hintonsboots Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 Great thread @Curtains. This Forum is excellent with a good group of posters. I’m relying on it at the moment for a bit of hope in these turbulent times. On the whole Rams fans are a patient bunch, and we are really putting up with a nightmare at present. I don’t think other clubs fans would have been as understanding, Villa for example, they usually bale out when the going gets tough. archram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcidaho Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 I could easily imagine the admins getting down about the woe and dismay regularly posted on here.. but as @Curtains says, it keeps us mostly sane and it's a form of therapy for some. Great place to be, thanks to @David and co for preservering with it and us. Jimbo Ram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Brolly Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 Lawrence is crap What it's just a joke ?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeds Ram Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 1 hour ago, angieram said: Oh, I see. Well, I do. I think that a lot of the arguments on here are because some people insist on posting their opinions as though they are truths. Facts are a bit different from truths, it's basically the old 'is ought' gap that exists. So for instance, one of my truths is that I believe the club is an institution that fundamentally belongs to those who are from the community and support the club. Owners are nothing more than temporary custodians who have a duty to look after that institution the best they can. That's not a fact but a strongly held truth of mine that I believe is how a club should be seen and where the location of authority really lies. Facts are often deceptive and need to be located into their proper context for them to make sense. For instance with Rooney, we could talk about his low win percentage, winless runs and inability to tighten us up or get us scoring to make a case he's a poor choice. Others might point to depth of squad, previous mismanagement and lack of time to give him more of a chance. Making the 'fact' claim surrounding Rooney (and others) is therefore very difficult and rests upon opinions guided by facts. I agree with what @Jimbo Ram said earlier about football being closer to a religion and the different roles people have. Jimbo Ram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted July 25, 2021 Author Share Posted July 25, 2021 8 minutes ago, Leeds Ram said: Facts are a bit different from truths, it's basically the old 'is ought' gap that exists. So for instance, one of my truths is that I believe the club is an institution that fundamentally belongs to those who are from the community and support the club. Owners are nothing more than temporary custodians who have a duty to look after that institution the best they can. That's not a fact but a strongly held truth of mine that I believe is how a club should be seen and where the location of authority really lies. Facts are often deceptive and need to be located into their proper context for them to make sense. For instance with Rooney, we could talk about his low win percentage, winless runs and inability to tighten us up or get us scoring to make a case he's a poor choice. Others might point to depth of squad, previous mismanagement and lack of time to give him more of a chance. Making the 'fact' claim surrounding Rooney (and others) is therefore very difficult and rests upon opinions guided by facts. I agree with what @Jimbo Ram said earlier about football being closer to a religion and the different roles people have. It’s a fact that we have varying opinions on here. . I mean some think Sibley is God but I tend to differ. He comes on as a substitute and does great yesterday against Salford and people say he’s the best thing since sliced bread and he’s the messiah and all the other players are peasants . Thats disrespectful IMO and simply not true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 10 hours ago, Tyler Durden said: It's good to have diverse opinions but it's also good to have diverse opinions respected. When I read comments about having your teeth punched down your throat for allegedly being an anti fan then I seriously question that. Which is absolutely fair, but people who do literally nothing but whine on here also make the forum an unpleasant place for others. I don't understand why some can't state their grievance and just leave it there. It's as if they won't relent until everyone else is as miserable as they are. Worse still is when they react like mardy ducking toddlers when they get called out. Cuts both ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boycie Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 Not another smoke blowing thread? i-Ram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Durden Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 7 minutes ago, 86 Hair Islands said: Which is absolutely fair, but people who do literally nothing but whine on here also make the forum an unpleasant place for others. I don't understand why some can't state their grievance and just leave it there. It's as if they won't relent until everyone else is as miserable as they are. Worse still is when they react like mardy ducking toddlers when they get called out. Cuts both ways. I've been fairly positive recently I'll have you know. i-Ram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, Tyler Durden said: I've been fairly positive recently I'll have you know. I wouldn't know mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Durden Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 1 minute ago, 86 Hair Islands said: I wouldn't know mate. Glad it's not gone unnoticed then.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie20 Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 5 hours ago, Curtains said: It’s a fact that we have varying opinions on here. . I mean some think Sibley is God but I tend to differ. He comes on as a substitute and does great yesterday against Salford and people say he’s the best thing since sliced bread and he’s the messiah and all the other players are peasants . Thats disrespectful IMO and simply not true Sliced bread is crap - fact??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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