uttoxram75 Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 48 minutes ago, Sith Happens said: From the BBC news feed: Véronique Trillet-Lenoir, who is a French oncologist and an MEP, is asked by BBC News why the AstraZeneca vaccine is coming under more scrutiny than other authorised vaccines such as the Pfizer vaccine. "We have maybe a specific regard on AstraZeneca. As you know, the firm did probably not fulfil all the commitments [it] made in the contracts with the EU. The vaccine is not that effective on the South African variant, so there are some warnings on these vaccines, which probably led the governments to be even more cautious on it." On the suggestion that the decision might be seen as a political move, she says that as a medical doctor, she tries to "stick to the scientific evidence" and hopes the suspension will be lifted if the vaccine is shown to be safe for specific populations. So admit that they are targetting it because of the fall out over supplies, then say oh its not political.... Ive not read a great deal about it but it seems from the little I have, that the EU and EMA are recommending the vaccine and saying its safe but individual countries within the EU (as well as others not in the EU), are making their own sovereign decisions to temporarily halt this particular brand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 Before we blame EU politics for everything... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIllyD Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 1 hour ago, GboroRam said: Before we blame EU politics for everything... Not sure I understand where you are coming from on that one. The countries highlighted have suspended on the back of information generated from the EU I believe ? Thailand for example have now decided to start uk again having received further information. I originally thought that the decision taken was based upon medical information and possibly could see where they were coming from, the more I read and given the backing my major players to continue I am starting to believe this is a political call. Seems maybe I'm not the only one.... The Polish Prime Minister's Chief of Staff briefing; accuses other countries of giving in to "disinformation": “Most countries that have temporarily suspended (AstraZeneca) vaccinations have given in to panic caused by media-fuelled information about alleged complications” “In my opinion, it is possible that we are dealing with a planned disinformation campaign and a brutal fight by medical companies, possibly supported by the countries in which these companies are registered” He added: “I am convinced that many of them will soon return to vaccinations using AstraZeneca.” Said that any decisions made by the Polish government would be “guided solely by hard data” and the recommendations of scientists and doctors. sheeponacid, Andicis and Comrade 86 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 Seems like we aren't the only ones who think its political https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-astrazeneca-idUSKBN2B80KK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 1 hour ago, BIllyD said: Not sure I understand where you are coming from on that one. The countries highlighted have suspended on the back of information generated from the EU I believe ? Thailand for example have now decided to start uk again having received further information. I originally thought that the decision taken was based upon medical information and possibly could see where they were coming from, the more I read and given the backing my major players to continue I am starting to believe this is a political call. Seems maybe I'm not the only one.... The Polish Prime Minister's Chief of Staff briefing; accuses other countries of giving in to "disinformation": “Most countries that have temporarily suspended (AstraZeneca) vaccinations have given in to panic caused by media-fuelled information about alleged complications” “In my opinion, it is possible that we are dealing with a planned disinformation campaign and a brutal fight by medical companies, possibly supported by the countries in which these companies are registered” He added: “I am convinced that many of them will soon return to vaccinations using AstraZeneca.” Said that any decisions made by the Polish government would be “guided solely by hard data” and the recommendations of scientists and doctors. Ah, so you're suggesting that the EU made up the data? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gritstone Ram Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 1 minute ago, GboroRam said: Ah, so you're suggesting that the EU made up the data? Read it how they wanted to their political agenda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIllyD Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 1 minute ago, GboroRam said: Ah, so you're suggesting that the EU made up the data? Don't think I have suggested anything of the sort have I ? Why has only the AZ been "paused" and yet the other vaccine has just as many blood clot cases ? Also who was it that said the AZ vaccine wasn't good enough for over 65s and how did that work out ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 4 minutes ago, GboroRam said: Ah, so you're suggesting that the EU made up the data? Considering they are ignoring the advice of their own medical regulators, it would seem so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, Sith Happens said: Considering they are ignoring the advice of their own medical regulators, it would seem so. The graphic shows countries outside of the EU have taken precautions. I said don't pin it solely on EU politics. cstand, Gritstone Ram, Boycie and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 4 minutes ago, GboroRam said: The graphic shows countries outside of the EU have taken precautions. I said don't pin it solely on EU politics. Comome on Paul, justify that laugh emoji. Why have those Asian countries decided to play EU politics? Boycie and Gritstone Ram 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boycie Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 1 hour ago, GboroRam said: Comome on Paul, justify that laugh emoji. Why have those Asian countries decided to play EU politics? Well if you don’t know, I’m not telling you. It’s sssssoooo obvious. GboroRam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIllyD Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 1 hour ago, GboroRam said: Comome on Paul, justify that laugh emoji. Why have those Asian countries decided to play EU politics? Based upon the information given from the EU countries, of which for example Thailand have now decided to resume. Now are you going to answer why these EU countries have suspended one vaccine and not the other even though the blood clots reported are roughly the same from both programmes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 11 minutes ago, BIllyD said: Based upon the information given from the EU countries, of which for example Thailand have now decided to resume. Now are you going to answer why these EU countries have suspended one vaccine and not the other even though the blood clots reported are roughly the same from both programmes? No, as that's not what I was talking about. I said its not solely down to EU politics. Because it isn't. cstand 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIllyD Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 Just now, GboroRam said: No, as that's not what I was talking about. I said its not solely down to EU politics. Because it isn't. in what way isn't it ? These other countries you quote haven't had the same message given to them about the other vaccine, which is why they suspended their programmes, based on a message from the EU, that they have concerns around the AZ vaccine. Gritstone Ram and Andicis 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 10 minutes ago, BIllyD said: in what way isn't it ? These other countries you quote haven't had the same message given to them about the other vaccine, which is why they suspended their programmes, based on a message from the EU, that they have concerns around the AZ vaccine. Hasn't that message been from individual countries in the EU, rather than from the EU itself? BIllyD and GboroRam 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttoxram75 Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 1 minute ago, Rev said: Hasn't that message been from individual countries in the EU, rather than from the EU itself? That was the point I was making earlier. Individual nations making their own decisions against the EU advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gritstone Ram Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 1 minute ago, uttoxram75 said: That was the point I was making earlier. Individual nations making their own decisions against the EU advice. They’re acting like your ex when you’ve moved onto a better model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIllyD Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 6 minutes ago, Rev said: Hasn't that message been from individual countries in the EU, rather than from the EU itself? Yes apologies, EU politics though as these are the major players that form the spine of the EU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EtoileSportiveDeDerby Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 French PM on TV tonight said they suspended AZ because if the blood clot was proved right they would be hammered for not protecting the public. But there is no evidence and we want the AZ to resume ASAP to get them out of the mess they are in. GboroRam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 Q If I have the AZ jab, will I get better mobile phone reception? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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