The coronabrexit thread. I mean, coronavirus thread

[G STAR RAM]

1 hour ago, kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong said:

You know,you can still catch a cold or another normal virus....

I caught a cold off my sociable son last week leaving me with a slight fever,headaches etc but as such I knew it was just that as he had one too not a reaction to covid jabs.

I'll be having the booster when it's available,it will be the phizer variant instead of the Astra zenica type I've already had two doses of and I'm keen to get the maximum protection possible so i can continue living my life as normally as possible.

Maximum protection will be achieved by the whole world receiving vaccination.

Even thinking about administering boosters when there are people in the world who have not even had one jab is irresponsible. 

Whatever happened to 'nobody is safe until everybody is safe'?

[uttoxram75]

I've still not had mine. I've been around people who have had Covid and and I believe me and my family all had it back in Jan/Feb 2020.

I'm respectful around others and keep my distance as much as possible when out and about. We have to wear masks at work in the factory although other factories (JCB at Rocester) are relaxing that rule from 6th September.

I don't do Ivermectin, I don't do any drugs if I can help it apart from alcohol. I don't try and convince anyone else not to have the jab. I just quietly get on with my life as best I can, at the moment the only thing I can't do is go abroad. 

I know of two people who have died after having their jabs, both had underlying problems, maybe if they'd caught covid they would have died anyway but we'll never know. One was 48 and one 58.

Seven people I work with are currently off with covid. Two have serious symptoms, struggling to breathe although not hospitalised as yet, all are double jabbed.

Two other colleagues are off with adverse reactions to the jab, both had blood clots and were treated as emergencies at the time although they seem to be out of trouble now but still weak and resting.

I know one person who had a hernia at the start of lockdown and couldn't get treated due to hospitals not wanting to do face to face appointments. He ended up paying privately through Nuffield because of the extreme pain he was in and got his operation. He came back to work this week and is now worried to death about paying off his hospital bill. He's come back to work early on restricted duties to start earning again.

Just my recent experiences working in a factory of nearly 600 people.

There's no conclusion as such, just a post to say that don't treat all unvaccinated people as if they are the enemy and to recognise there is a potential problem for many people who have not been treated for other illnesses during this period due to the restrictions.

 

 

[ramesses]

3 hours ago, uttoxram75 said:

I've still not had mine. I've been around people who have had Covid and and I believe me and my family all had it back in Jan/Feb 2020.

I'm respectful around others and keep my distance as much as possible when out and about. We have to wear masks at work in the factory although other factories (JCB at Rocester) are relaxing that rule from 6th September.

I don't do Ivermectin, I don't do any drugs if I can help it apart from alcohol. I don't try and convince anyone else not to have the jab. I just quietly get on with my life as best I can, at the moment the only thing I can't do is go abroad. 

I know of two people who have died after having their jabs, both had underlying problems, maybe if they'd caught covid they would have died anyway but we'll never know. One was 48 and one 58.

Seven people I work with are currently off with covid. Two have serious symptoms, struggling to breathe although not hospitalised as yet, all are double jabbed.

Two other colleagues are off with adverse reactions to the jab, both had blood clots and were treated as emergencies at the time although they seem to be out of trouble now but still weak and resting.

I know one person who had a hernia at the start of lockdown and couldn't get treated due to hospitals not wanting to do face to face appointments. He ended up paying privately through Nuffield because of the extreme pain he was in and got his operation. He came back to work this week and is now worried to death about paying off his hospital bill. He's come back to work early on restricted duties to start earning again.

Just my recent experiences working in a factory of nearly 600 people.

There's no conclusion as such, just a post to say that don't treat all unvaccinated people as if they are the enemy and to recognise there is a potential problem for many people who have not been treated for other illnesses during this period due to the restrictions.

 

 

Everyone I know (eventually) made the decision to be vaccinated largely based on the overwhelming scientific evidence and medical opinion that the vaccines have been a huge success at doing what they what they were designed to do - massively reduce your risk of serious illness, hospitalisation, death.

From the news/internet I know that a minority of older people (over 50s) are making the decision not to be vaccinated for some reason or another. I guess some of those people, like you, are mainly focused on personal, anecdotal, evidence to either make or justify that decision.

You might be lucky, but in my opinion anyone who is old enough to have good memories of the last time we won the old first division and who still chooses not be vaccinated is making a very risky decision based on a flawed cost/benefit analysis.  

It’s all very well posting your reasons for not getting vaccinated to a bunch of opinionated randoms on a footie forum   – but seriously, at your age, I think you should also check out your GP’s opinion given they’ll know your individual health circumstances.

[Archied]

7 hours ago, kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong said:

You know,you can still catch a cold or another normal virus....

I caught a cold off my sociable son last week leaving me with a slight fever,headaches etc but as such I knew it was just that as he had one too not a reaction to covid jabs.

I'll be having the booster when it's available,it will be the phizer variant instead of the Astra zenica type I've already had two doses of and I'm keen to get the maximum protection possible so i can continue living my life as normally as possible.

 

This has been ongoing for months

[G STAR RAM]

7 hours ago, uttoxram75 said:

I've still not had mine. I've been around people who have had Covid and and I believe me and my family all had it back in Jan/Feb 2020.

I'm respectful around others and keep my distance as much as possible when out and about. We have to wear masks at work in the factory although other factories (JCB at Rocester) are relaxing that rule from 6th September.

I don't do Ivermectin, I don't do any drugs if I can help it apart from alcohol. I don't try and convince anyone else not to have the jab. I just quietly get on with my life as best I can, at the moment the only thing I can't do is go abroad. 

I know of two people who have died after having their jabs, both had underlying problems, maybe if they'd caught covid they would have died anyway but we'll never know. One was 48 and one 58.

Seven people I work with are currently off with covid. Two have serious symptoms, struggling to breathe although not hospitalised as yet, all are double jabbed.

Two other colleagues are off with adverse reactions to the jab, both had blood clots and were treated as emergencies at the time although they seem to be out of trouble now but still weak and resting.

I know one person who had a hernia at the start of lockdown and couldn't get treated due to hospitals not wanting to do face to face appointments. He ended up paying privately through Nuffield because of the extreme pain he was in and got his operation. He came back to work this week and is now worried to death about paying off his hospital bill. He's come back to work early on restricted duties to start earning again.

Just my recent experiences working in a factory of nearly 600 people.

There's no conclusion as such, just a post to say that don't treat all unvaccinated people as if they are the enemy and to recognise there is a potential problem for many people who have not been treated for other illnesses during this period due to the restrictions.

I'm extremely interested to see what reaction this post draws from certain posters as it will give us more of an insight into whether they are attacking points made or individual posters.

I can definitively say that had @Archiedmade this post there would be a few posters wading in with their usual 'selfish', 'anti vaxxer', 'conspiracy theorist' and 'putting peoples lives at risk' insults.

I'm pretty sure your post will not draw the same reaction. 

[kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong]

8 hours ago, G STAR RAM said:

Maximum protection will be achieved by the whole world receiving vaccination.

Even thinking about administering boosters when there are people in the world who have not even had one jab is irresponsible. 

Whatever happened to 'nobody is safe until everybody is safe'?

The effectiveness in preventing infection drops quite significantly after 7 months so boosting is a necessary component of the vaccine drive.

We are already donating vaccines to poorer or less well equipped countries.

It's  a problem that clearly requires multiple angles of attack.

[G STAR RAM]

5 minutes ago, kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong said:

The effectiveness in preventing infection drops quite significantly after 7 months so boosting is a necessary component of the vaccine drive.

We are already donating vaccines to poorer or less well equipped countries.

It's  a problem that clearly requires multiple angles of attack.

Can't say I've done much research but here is an interesting article:-

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02158-6

[Eddie]

38 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said:

I'm extremely interested to see what reaction this post draws from certain posters as it will give us more of an insight into whether they are attacking points made or individual posters.

I can definitively say that had @Archiedmade this post there would be a few posters wading in with their usual 'selfish', 'anti vaxxer', 'conspiracy theorist' and 'putting peoples lives at risk' insults.

I'm pretty sure your post will not draw the same reaction. 

[G STAR RAM]

25 minutes ago, Eddie said:

Its not at all.

I want to see if people actually have the conviction to stand behind what they use against @Archiedand apply the same standards to someone who I would class as a more popular poster. 

If posters are going to accuse a double jabbed poster of putting lives at risk when he speaks out against the vaccine I want to know what view they take of people that have actually been offered the vaccine but don't want to take it.

[therealhantsram]

10 hours ago, RoyMac5 said:

 

There are a whole bunch of neurological diseases that we don't yet understand properly... We don't know what causes them. We don't even understand the risk factors. Things like Parkinsons Disease, Multiple sclerosis, Motor neurone disease and many more.

One of the main theories is that they could be a result of a viral infection many years before. (Viruses having long lasting impact on health is nothing new. Look at Lyme's Disease for instance).

Covid will give us an interesting test bed. Normally it is difficult to link a neurological disease to a viral infection many years ago, but if for instance we get a sudden spike in Parkinson's Disease in 10 years time, we may finally be able to conclude what the cause is.

[1of4]

On 23/08/2021 at 22:03, maxjam said:

To be fair there is strong evidence that Ivermectin has some benefits.  It is a very cheap and safe drug that has been given out in home covid kits in several countries around the world and is currently undergoing an Oxford Study in the UK. 

https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2021-06-23-ivermectin-be-investigated-possible-treatment-covid-19-oxford-s-principle-trial

The numpties that are poisoning themselves either don't know the difference between livestock Ivermectin and the human equivalent, don't care or bought it online off some shady website as its prescription only in some countries.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2021/08/21/more-mississippians-using-ivermectin-for-livestock-against-covid-19-then-calling-poison-control/?sh=27f44cc50fa3

If Ivermectin is so effective in the treatment of covid. Why is it that the pharmaceutical company that manufactures it, a company that could make huge profits from it, is telling everyone that this drug doesn't work against covid. That the study of its results in the combating of the virus has used unreliable data.

[maxjam]

10 minutes ago, 1of4 said:

If Ivermectin is so effective in the treatment of covid. Why is it that the pharmaceutical company that manufactures it, a company that could make huge profits from it, is telling everyone that this drug doesn't work against covid. That the study of its results in the combating of the virus has used unreliable data.

Haven't the foggiest. 

All I pointed out was that the story you put forwards was misleading.  Ivermectin is a proven and very safe drug and has been added to home covid kits in some parts of the world.  The idiots that are getting sick after taking it are taking the livestock version ?

Now whether it is actually any good for treating/preventing covid is debatable, the evidence that has been put forwards so far is apparently flawed, fortunately there are a number of studies being carried out at present as to its viability;

https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/ivermectin-still-lacks-scientific-support-as-a-covid-19-drug-69049

The Cochrane review notes an “urgent need” for good quality randomized controlled trials of the drug, and identifies more than 30 ongoing studies. They include the PRINCIPLE trial run by the University of Oxford and the National Institutes of Health ACTIV-6 study.

“The findings from these studies may help to answer more clearly the question of ivermectin and its effects in treating and preventing COVID-19 in the future,” the authors write.

[Archied]

1 hour ago, 1of4 said:

If Ivermectin is so effective in the treatment of covid. Why is it that the pharmaceutical company that manufactures it, a company that could make huge profits from it, is telling everyone that this drug doesn't work against covid. That the study of its results in the combating of the virus has used unreliable data.

Could be wrong but has the patent run out now so it can be manufactured and sold by other companies much much cheaper and not exclusive to the company that developed it?

[RoyMac5]

10 minutes ago, Archied said:

Could be wrong but has the patent run out now so it can be manufactured and sold by other companies much much cheaper and not exclusive to the company that developed it?

Even so people still buy Nurofen.

[therealhantsram]

1 hour ago, 1of4 said:

If Ivermectin is so effective in the treatment of covid. Why is it that the pharmaceutical company that manufactures it, a company that could make huge profits from it, is telling everyone that this drug doesn't work against covid. That the study of its results in the combating of the virus has used unreliable data.

Simple... Because it doesn't work.

Just think about it. If it did work, but they lied about it they would be sued into oblivion.

[Archied]

3 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

Even so people still buy Nurofen.

They may but the question was why the manufacturer s might say the other drug had no effect on COVID , they may be developing something similar that has similar effect that can be patented and sold exclusively for far more profit ,, as I said I may be wrong and they still hold patent , just a thought ,

it wouldn’t be the first time existing medicines have been ignored for financial reasons

[Archied]

3 hours ago, G STAR RAM said:

Its not at all.

I want to see if people actually have the conviction to stand behind what they use against @Archiedand apply the same standards to someone who I would class as a more popular poster. 

If posters are going to accuse a double jabbed poster of putting lives at risk when he speaks out against the vaccine I want to know what view they take of people that have actually been offered the vaccine but don't want to take it.

And yet as a born socialist , a mad Derby fan and dashingly handsome you would think I would be top of the popularity polls on here ,, who says honesty pays ?‍♂️

Edited August 25, 2021 by Archied

[ariotofmyown]

3 hours ago, G STAR RAM said:

Its not at all.

I want to see if people actually have the conviction to stand behind what they use against @Archiedand apply the same standards to someone who I would class as a more popular poster. 

If posters are going to accuse a double jabbed poster of putting lives at risk when he speaks out against the vaccine I want to know what view they take of people that have actually been offered the vaccine but don't want to take it.

I'm sure I've missed all the accusations of people putting lives at risk for not getting the jab. If you don't want to take it, it's a good job the majority of others have though.

You obviously know @uttoxram75will get less negative responses than @Archied ever would (who I think actually is doubled jabbed even though he is always complaining about the vaccine?‍♂️?‍♂️?‍♂️?‍♂️ ).

@uttoxram75 post was considered and reasonable, even if I disagree with most of what he says. I really hope he stays healthy and manages to avoid Covid.

I pity you sometimes when you are duty bound to back @Archied often insensitive rants and wild theories  It must be tough to explain what you consider rational, but minority viewpoints, then have them all intertwined with @Archieds latest craze. 

[G STAR RAM]

On 20/08/2021 at 20:50, RoyMac5 said:

No you're dangerously spouting guesswork. You haven't any educated basis for what you're saying and you're putting other people's lives at risk with your anti-vaccine nonsense.

 

4 minutes ago, ariotofmyown said:

I'm sure I've missed all the accusations of people putting lives at risk for not getting the jab. If you don't want to take it, it's a good job the majority of others have though.

You obviously know @uttoxram75will get less negative responses than @Archied ever would (who I think actually is doubled jabbed even though he is always complaining about the vaccine?‍♂️?‍♂️?‍♂️?‍♂️ ).

@uttoxram75 post was considered and reasonable, even if I disagree with most of what he says. I really hope he stays healthy and manages to avoid Covid.

I pity you sometimes when you are duty bound to back @Archied often insensitive rants and wild theories  It must be tough to explain what you consider rational, but minority viewpoints, then have them all intertwined with @Archieds latest craze. 

I have linked a post up above where @Archiedwas accused of putting people's lives at risk, only had to go 2 pages back to find it. It doesn't surprise me that you 'missed' this accusation as it probably just blended in with all of the other insults. 

Why do I know that one poster should expect more negative responses than another when basically both are doubting the vaccine? What possible logic is there behind that other than people are just attacking posters rather than the message they are conveying?

I pity you that you don't have the conviction to hold all posters to the same standards, sad to see that you would stoop to, what in effect, is pretty much internet bullying.

[Archied]

33 minutes ago, ariotofmyown said:

I'm sure I've missed all the accusations of people putting lives at risk for not getting the jab. If you don't want to take it, it's a good job the majority of others have though.

You obviously know @uttoxram75will get less negative responses than @Archied ever would (who I think actually is doubled jabbed even though he is always complaining about the vaccine?‍♂️?‍♂️?‍♂️?‍♂️ ).

@uttoxram75 post was considered and reasonable, even if I disagree with most of what he says. I really hope he stays healthy and manages to avoid Covid.

I pity you sometimes when you are duty bound to back @Archied often insensitive rants and wild theories  It must be tough to explain what you consider rational, but minority viewpoints, then have them all intertwined with @Archieds latest craze. 

Wow that’s way out there , duty bound , pity ? 
conspiracy theories , latest craze ,

I can only assume you really struggle with anything that disagrees with your views and subscribe to the deplatform tactic,

is it wild conspiracy theory to believe there is a virus but disagree hugely with the way it’s been reacted to , reported in the media , modelled, stats gathered and every other damage caused at the obsession with COVID?

oh don’t worry I know your answer at the risk of acting towards your posts as you do to mine?

gstar is right , it’s a subtle form of bullying, don’t agree with ANYTHING archie says or your a loon to be treated with pity