Millenniumram Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 No thanks. Don’t necessarily have a problem with giving a new manager a chance - it worked out alright with Lampard to be fair. But I do expect a manager to be at least qualified enough for the job - if he has to have an experienced man alongside him to allow him to take charge, then that’s not a good sign imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeds Ram Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 Just now, RoyMac5 said: There were lots of newspaper interviews being quoted when we signed him by respected names in the game - memory to crap to quote, sorry. He certainly isn't an 'traditionally' educated man, but lots of football managers aren't. There's quite a few comments from the current squad expressing their 'admiration' for Rooney, probably more than there are for Cocu? I don't trust any of that tbh as they're hardly likely to say 'Well Wayne's a nice ambitious fella but he hasn't really got a clue' are they... It's not that he's not traditionally educated (most footballers aren't by virtue of training a lot when they're young) it's more that he doesn't even know what his best position on a football pitch is atm. That gives me far more concern than if he's using three syllable words to describe what is going wrong with the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Millenniumram said: - if he has to have an experienced man alongside him to allow him to take charge, then that’s not a good sign imo. Lots of management 'double acts' been successful. This need for badges is pretty recent? Even in the real world experience is allowed to count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 Just now, RoyMac5 said: There were lots of newspaper interviews being quoted when we signed him by respected names in the game - memory to crap to quote, sorry. He certainly isn't an 'traditionally' educated man, but lots of football managers aren't. There's quite a few comments from the current squad expressing their 'admiration' for Rooney, probably more than there are for Cocu? The squad who can't pass a ball 10 feet and are blowing out their asses after 30 mins? Ah of course, they were being trained to do that. Rooney needs to go somewhere and do his apprenticeship properly. No offence to him or whatever potential he may have but this team do not need a celebrity media circus right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Leeds Ram said: I don't trust any of that tbh as they're hardly likely to say 'Well Wayne's a nice ambitious fella but he hasn't really got a clue' are they... https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/wayne-rooneys-football-intellect-makes-him-a-manager-in-waiting-6p2r9xn6j https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/wayne-rooney-dominic-calvert-lewin-19254562 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3028459/Wayne-Rooney-Michael-Carrick-Man-United-s-players-football-intelligence-demanded-Louis-van-Gaal.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4888902/Wayne-Rooney-untold-story-time-Old-Trafford.html Quote But it is a measure of the contradictions at the core of the player that David Moyes was most struck by Rooney's cognitive ability — his intelligence and powers of communication — when the two of them began working together again in the summer of 2013, nine years after they'd parted company at Everton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andicis Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 At least if he's in charge we don't have to see him walk around the pitch again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomTom92 Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 On a scale of 0-10 with 10 being unbelievably risky I’d say hiring Wayne would sit at a 7. That said Iain Dowie managed to get a team promoted to the prem and he’s pony, so unless we have a few tarot card readers on here it’s impossible to write him off completely. That said he wouldn’t be on my shortlist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Willow Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 Please no, he has so much charisma as a cucumber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 6 minutes ago, Van der MoodHoover said: Rooney needs to go somewhere and do his apprenticeship properly. No offence to him or whatever potential he may have but this team do not need a celebrity media circus right now. 3 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: Moyes: But it is a measure of the contradictions at the core of the player that David Moyes was most struck by Rooney's cognitive ability — his intelligence and powers of communication — when the two of them began working together again in the summer of 2013, nine years after they'd parted company at Everton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ossieram Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 He isn't the man I'd want as manager, but if he gets the nod, he'll get my support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeds Ram Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 14 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/wayne-rooneys-football-intellect-makes-him-a-manager-in-waiting-6p2r9xn6j https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/wayne-rooney-dominic-calvert-lewin-19254562 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3028459/Wayne-Rooney-Michael-Carrick-Man-United-s-players-football-intelligence-demanded-Louis-van-Gaal.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4888902/Wayne-Rooney-untold-story-time-Old-Trafford.html So one features a quote by David Moyes that basically implies Rooney was very slow as a kid but through experience managed to adapt to situations quickly. Given he'd had 10 years at the top of the professional level in that time it's exactly what I'd expect and would be terrified if he hadn't. Another is written by Adrian Durham... and the kinds of mistakes that he points out being symptomatic of 'thick footballers' are exactly the ones Rooney is making now. The Liverpool echo one just highlight's Rooney's technical ability and the fact Wayne has opened up doors for him which indicates he's a nice caring guy. I can't read the times one as I don't have a subscription. None of this is actually particularly convincing. I'm far more concerned about his inability to understand why playing in centre midfield isn't something he's particularly adept to. He's tried to be a midfielder for the past several years but he's never shone in that position which is an indication he'll end up a crap manager if he tries to be one. It shows he doesn't seem to understand his own abilities. He's not mobile enough which puts pressure on the other 1 or 2 in the middle and ultimately damages the play of the team, he's not a tackler again mostly due to his lack of mobility, his passing range is good i.e. his technique but his vision isn't good enough to get him out of tricky spots when he's either man marked or sprung upon. This leads him losing the ball in dangerous areas. Most importantly though in a way is that as he's too deep he loses his threat as a goal scorer which despite his pretentions to the contrary is ultimately what this guy is about. He was Everton's top scorer just a couple of years ago in a side that finished midtable in the premiership. I've little doubt if he was playing as a number 9 or number 10 he'd easily hit double figures and open up the space for everyone else. His desire to be seen as a cultured footballer sitting in the middle pinging passes about like a 3rd rate paul scholes is what is hurting the last days of his career and ultimately our team. Yet he can't seem to see it despite being a 'footballing genius' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: That quote makes him sound like a lab rat who's just remembered how to get the cheese ? I mean who the hell would speak like that? "Wayne, I must say how impressed I've been with your cognitive ability when I was giving the team talk and laying out the plan to knock it up to Big Duncan" ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B4ev6is Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 I think we should maybe consider Celtic manager or Scotland national manager he sets them upto to attack but appentley new owners want steven Gerrard at new manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KBB Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, B4ev6is said: I think we should maybe consider Celtic manager or Scotland national manager he sets them upto to attack but appentley new owners want steven Gerrard at new manager. Jesus wept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 7 minutes ago, Leeds Ram said: So one features a quote by David Moyes that basically implies Rooney was very slow as a kid but through experience managed to adapt to situations quickly. Given he'd had 10 years at the top of the professional level in that time it's exactly what I'd expect and would be terrified if he hadn't...Yet he can't seem to see it despite being a 'footballing genius' They were the first few that came up on google, I couldn't be arsed to find that ones that were quoted when he signed. You'd think that the Calvert-Lewin one would go down well with our youngsters. He's played in positions that perhaps aren't his first choice because he wants to keep playing. If he gets picked to play what are you expecting? 'No boss I'm crap at that, I'll not play there'? ? The footballer is on the way out, the coach/manager is on the way in. I'd give him a go in the same way Lampard got given a go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenniumram Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 23 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: Lots of management 'double acts' been successful. This need for badges is pretty recent? Even in the real world experience is allowed to count. They have, but I can’t think of one where the assistant manager was appointed through necessity. I believe getting the pro license is a year long course. That’s a lot of learning Rooney would be missing compared to other managers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i-Ram Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 Rooney will get the job. This exercise is as futile as voting Conservative in Liverpool Walton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Ram Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 14 minutes ago, B4ev6is said: I think we should maybe consider Celtic manager or Scotland national manager he sets them upto to attack but appentley new owners want steven Gerrard at new manager. Id rather have phil brown back with paul jewell as assistant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Ram Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 16 minutes ago, B4ev6is said: I think we should maybe consider Celtic manager or Scotland national manager he sets them upto to attack but appentley new owners want steven Gerrard at new manager. Neil Lennon? Rather have John Lennon ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Ram Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 Computer says NO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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