Rev Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 The football league system is dying before our eyes, and we're not talking about it. We skirt around the topic in other threads, but the football structure we've had for a century or so is in critical care, and unlikely to pull through with immediate intervention, and there's barely a whisper on here. The leagues below the PL needs a bailout to survive, so who pays? The government, who after all have closed off revenue for the club's, despite them following their advice and working hard to be Covid secure? Are community clubs not as much a part of the social fabric as theatre and art groups, which have seen limited targeted support, if so should taxpayers money support professional football? What about the Premier League, do they have a moral duty to support the bottom of the pyramid, or is moving evening kick offs to an earlier time so pubs can invite in fans to watch games, while being less safe than the stadiums they're locked out of enough? Is Sean Dyche a massive ginger *******, who's perhaps forgotten where he's come from, or does he have a point? https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2020/sep/29/deadly-dychonomics-premier-league-clubs-wont-care-if-efl-teams-go-under Should the government have slapped a moratorium on transfer fees until the crisis is over, and ordered to leagues to sort themselves out before asking for taxpayers cash? There's loads more questions, but little debate over such an important issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andicis Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 8 minutes ago, reverendo de duivel said: Is Sean Dyche a massive ginger *******, who's perhaps forgotten where he's come from, or does he have a point? The former. 9 minutes ago, reverendo de duivel said: The football league system is dying before our eyes, and we're not talking about it. We skirt around the topic in other threads, but the football structure we've had for a century or so is in critical care, and unlikely to pull through with immediate intervention, and there's barely a whisper on here. If lower leagues fall through and we're left with the Premier League as it is, I think that'd be me done with football. Multi millionaires, that are completely out of touch with their fans and legions of glory hunting supporters. That's not what football is about for me. 11 minutes ago, reverendo de duivel said: What about the Premier League, do they have a moral duty to support the bottom of the pyramid, Yes they absolutely do. The Premier League inflated all the prices for transfers and have sat hoarding all the money at the top, squeezing up the prices for all the lower league clubs. They have a moral obligation to help out. Man Utd are willing to pay over £100m for Jadon Sancho, how far would that money go to bail out the EFL? Not that burden is on their shoulder entirely, but between the 20 Premier League clubs, they could help so much should they so decide to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted September 30, 2020 Author Share Posted September 30, 2020 8 minutes ago, Andicis said: Yes they absolutely do. The Premier League inflated all the prices for transfers and have sat hoarding all the money at the top, squeezing up the prices for all the lower league clubs. They have a moral obligation to help out. Man Utd are willing to pay over £100m for Jadon Sancho, how far would that money go to bail out the EFL? Not that burden is on their shoulder entirely, but between the 20 Premier League clubs, they could help so much should they so decide to do so. If they don't though, would you support taxpayer aid? Maybe clawed back through a windfall tax on Premier League income, for instance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andicis Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 1 minute ago, reverendo de duivel said: If they don't though, would you support taxpayer aid? Maybe clawed back through a windfall tax on Premier League income, for instance? Yeah, I'd be okay with that, provided it comes with the caveat that clubs can't spend silly money they don't have anymore. I hope the football league sees this as a wake up call and stops throwing cash around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted September 30, 2020 Author Share Posted September 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, Andicis said: Yeah, I'd be okay with that, provided it comes with the caveat that clubs can't spend silly money they don't have anymore. I hope the football league sees this as a wake up call and stops throwing cash around. The league had moved in the right direction for me by the end of the GSE era. £6m of funded losses per season i.e not debt, plus the academy and infrastructure spend seemed enough to let an owner have his fun without ruining them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerTedd Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 We seem to be in a fairly stable position though. So at this rate we might finally get promoted due to being the last man standing. At this point, I’d take that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimRam Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 Could the lower league teams not find a way to stream their games with a pay per view fee? Even a one camera job would be better than nothing. After this season there might not be a league 1/2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 29 minutes ago, TimRam said: Could the lower league teams not find a way to stream their games with a pay per view fee? Even a one camera job would be better than nothing. After this season there might not be a league 1/2. But the EFL negotiated the TV rights on their behalf, so, they can't do anything themselves. You're right, they totally should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 The Premier League surviving and hoovering up the corpses of the lower leagues is the ultimate epression of free market. Of course the Prem clubs will go "oh, how sad, i wonder how much we can gain from lower league sides in our locality going under" but the detriment to the sport of football as a whole will be huge. There's a bit of me that thinks the PL should be forced to share a big chunk more revenue with the lower leagues, but then the other part thinks it's gonna have to die and something else grow in it's place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 I can't see the PL wanting to step in unless there is reform in the EFL. Why should the PL chuck even more money at a loss making EFL (even before Covid)? They already give the EFL clubs more than £370m a year (parachute and solidarity payments). The PL have moved with the times and now generate huge profits. Th EFL seemingly want to stand still and doesn't want to push itself to be better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted September 30, 2020 Author Share Posted September 30, 2020 Oxford Utd manager Karl Robinson talking about games. "Soulless games in a empty stadium, yet from the stand I can see people queuing to get in the cinema next door". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 While there are average players in the top 2 tiers who earn more weekly than most fans do in a year, then looking to taxpayers for extra support is sickening, frankly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nottingram Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 I’m divided. The EFL turned down a slice of the PL pie when it was formed, can they really now go cap in hand asking for some cash? I appreciate that was a long time ago and the landscape has changed dramatically in that time but it doesn’t sit 100% right with me. That also isn’t the fault of the clubs, but the EFL, clubs shouldn’t be punished for the incompetence of their governing body. On the other hand you have so many PL players and managers that have an EFL background that surely it is in their interests to help out. But then it isn’t the PL’s decision to have cut off the vast majority of the revenue of EFL clubs. Surely the government have to take some responsibility for that, without wishing to turn it into a politics thread. It isn’t like EFL clubs can turn off the outgoings tap, but the government has turned off their incomings tap for them. Difficult one, maybe any rescue package, whoever it comes from, should come with stipulations for much needed reform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 2 hours ago, RadioactiveWaste said: The Premier League surviving and hoovering up the corpses of the lower leagues is the ultimate epression of free market. Of course the Prem clubs will go "oh, how sad, i wonder how much we can gain from lower league sides in our locality going under" but the detriment to the sport of football as a whole will be huge. There's a bit of me that thinks the PL should be forced to share a big chunk more revenue with the lower leagues, but then the other part thinks it's gonna have to die and something else grow in it's place. maybe too simplistic but the EPL make their money out of television exposure. Far more fans than those supporting EPL clubs pay subs for the privilege of watching clubs that they have affinity. If you support a D1/2 team and subscribe to watch EPL/CL I think you are the fundamental problem. Your club is about to go under but no matter you can still watch sky sports on Sunday. The EPL must be so happy. Can't see how it can change, the genie is out of the bottle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 If every EFL club supporter cancelled their Sky and BT sport subscription for three months, the issue would be addressed immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 4 minutes ago, Mostyn6 said: If every EFL club supporter cancelled their Sky and BT sport subscription for three months, the issue would be addressed immediately. you are right but good luck with that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramsbottom Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 Hasn't our chairman consistently said that the EFL have undervalued & undersold their product for years?? The Championship is the 5th highest watched league in the world yet they earn a fraction of what they could in TV rights. On Channel 4 news last night, someone mentioned that it would cost £240m to get League 1 & 2 through the season without fans, that's chump change to the Premier League. Is it the Premier League's fault that the EFL/FA are still stuck in the 80s?? Of course not, but they should do what they can to help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWC1983 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 Clubs lose sympathy when they are still paying transfer fees. Especially when they buy players from abroad and the cash effectively leaves the EFL completely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Durden Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 There's millions of normal taxpayers who haven't been eligible for a bean of government support from March as they haven't been eligible for the furlough scheme as they either changed jobs at the wrong time, are self employed and earning over 50 grand a year or have run their own business for less than a year. Millions. So don't talk to me about the government bailing out football clubs. It's offensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rynny Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 Is it not time for the FA to actually take charge of football in England? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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