ramsbottom Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 I posited the question on the Peter Whittingham thread that, even when taking mitigating circumstances into account, Phil Brown is probably one of the worst, if not the worst Derby manager ever. Thoughts?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyinLiverpool Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 Tommy Docherty Close thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WystonRam Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 Docherty for sending us into oblivion. Phil Brown a close second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 Bill Frown in my era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramsbottom Posted March 20, 2020 Author Share Posted March 20, 2020 I thought Docherty would get some love, well hate, but it was a bit before my time. But if it wasn't for Terry Westley's sterling work after Brown was sacked, we could've still been recovering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve How Hard? Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 Paul (Porno)Jewell by a country mile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenniumram Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 Nigel Pearson Also slightly left field mention for Paul Clement - had us in a decent position, but to not get promoted with the level of quality he had available, as well as the budget he had to spend, was criminal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davys on the road Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 Docherty by far, considering the players he had at his disposal, can see others views, but Brown and Jewell had less player ability to pick from and very little funds to address it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 i dont really remember Docherty so can only go on my own experience. I think Brown was bad but got to be Paul Jewell, spent money on garbage in the january then bottled it and quit when he couldnt hack it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellafella Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 Has to be Docherty. He actually “sold” Roy McFarland without even mentioning it to him until it was “sorted”. There are as already stated plenty of other candidates {Jewell, Brown, Worthington} but Docherty inherited a fleet of top players and flogged em cheap and replaced them with Unknowns and journeymen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheresOnlyWanChope Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 I was underwhelmed by John Gregory, at the start of 02/3, he had some quality players in his team, albeit players that were relegated from the premier league but we ended up being close to the bottom 3 I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anon Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 It's T-Doc. If a manager was as bad as him nowadays, I'd fully expect Mel to take him to court. Having said that, I didn't experience Docherty first hand, so in my experience it's a close race between Porno Paul and Tango man. We were in severe financial trouble when Brown came in, but George Burley had left him a decent squad with some very talented attacking players that had just finished in the play offs the previous season. Brown declared that the reason we hadn't been promoted is because we were too nice and had a load of embarrassing photos taken of players like Idiakez and Bisgaard scowling at the camera. People got annoyed with Clough's negativity, but Brown was on another level. On the rare occasion we took the lead he would immediately switch to 11 men behind the ball, regardless of what stage of the game we were at. He had mitigating circumstances in the board selling Rasiak from under him, but in all honesty the opening games of the season had shown that Brown had no idea how to use him anyway. Brown saw a big forward and designated him as a target man, despite the fact that there was so much more to the Pole's game than that. Brown also played 38 year old Dean Holdsworth, who had last turned out for his local pub team and was probably one of the least fit players even for them. Jewell had an impossible task when he was appointed. Our performances initially improved and we were unlucky not to take points off Newcastle, Liverpool, and Man United. Then Jewell had his disastrous January transfer window where he shipped out two of our best players (the fact they went to league 1 says everything about the quality of our squad) and purchased a load of has beens and crocks. I'm prepared to write the entire Premiership season off though. Where Jewell really failed was building a squad to be competitive in the Championship. Here are some of the players Jewell invested our parachute payments in, Paul Connolly, Jordan Stewart, Martin Albrechtsen, Liam Dickinson, Ruben Zadkovic, Nathan Ellington, Luke Varney, Darren Powell. Clueless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 In my time: Jewell is far out in front. Utterly awful from start to finish. Nigel Pearson and Phil Brown fight it out for second. There's caveats on both, Brown was dealing with a very unhelpful board, Pearson was trying to do something apparently at odds with what he was hired for and mercifully the mistake was culled in time. Phil Brown got Hull in the Prem, Pearson given hands off and unlimited time and funds at leicester got them promoted and is doing well at Watford, so, not both totally bad managers full stop....but for my money both were awful for Derby County. Honorable mentions for *post play off* Billy Davies and John Gregory. Biggest disappointment was Paul Clement, I was a believer, more fool me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Millenniumram said: Nigel Pearson Also slightly left field mention for Paul Clement - had us in a decent position, but to not get promoted with the level of quality he had available, as well as the budget he had to spend, was criminal Hard to get a team promoted when you are sacked halfway through the season. Had us in play off positions at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimeram Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 Docherty by a country mile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramsbottom Posted March 20, 2020 Author Share Posted March 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Millenniumram said: Nigel Pearson Also slightly left field mention for Paul Clement - had us in a decent position, but to not get promoted with the level of quality he had available, as well as the budget he had to spend, was criminal Pearson, all more the football he had us playing was dreadful. I'm all for being positive about managers, but I had a feeling from the first game away at Barnsley that it wasn't going to work, we were awful that day... Some would argue Clement may still have got us up, as Mel appeared to axe him a bit too soon. We were 5th after all. But on the flip side he'd just thought it was wise to spunk £3m on Nick Blackman so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannable Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 6 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: Hard to get a team promoted when you are sacked halfway through the season. Had us in play off positions at the time. Spent £25,000,000, when that was still a colossal amount of money, on a team that hadn’t been promoted due to mitigating circumstances rather than quality issues and managed to make it worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nottingram Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 Paul Jewell by some distance in my lifetime After that is probably Pearson, although I have since come to respect him quite highly, read a really interesting interview with him recently where he comes across very decently. Clement the only other shocker, mind numbing football, set us back years with his decisions and a skin thinner than a cheap condom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve How Hard? Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Steve How Hard? said: Paul (Porno)Jewell by a country mile. Just realised my spelling mistake. No need for that 'o' in country. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bwash_Ram Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 Probably heresy but Roy Mac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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