MK-Ram Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 I would hate to be near Steve Gibson when this all comes to fruition... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lushrams Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 Apologies if already mentioned but Cocu breaks the mold of only hiring English or Scottish managers in our 135 year history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lushrams Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 Farage will be disgusted!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, lushrams said: Farage will be disgusted!!!! He wont, Cocu can take care of himsef, farage is only disgusted by people desperate for a better life or seeking help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NottsRam77 Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 My biggest issue ... and it’s one we should all be concerned about ... is the bounce by all accounts he’s quite reserved and withdrawn .. after frank and the bounce after every big win can we cope with just a quick gesture of wave to the crowd and disappearing down the tunnel ? i hoping Mel has drawn something into his contract about this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 3 hours ago, BramcoteRam84 said: This is insane!! Hats off to Mel. He proved himself a visionary with the Lampard appointment and he’s pulled it out the bag again potentially here. Can’t believe we’ve got someone of Cocu’s calibre! And he develops youth favours the same formation and plays a similar style. Now there are no guarantees and most of us could be eating our words this time next year but if this doesn’t work, I honestly don’t know what else Mel could do! If you can’t get excited about this then you must be a miserable sod! Exactly what you say, BR84 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gee SCREAMER !! Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 4 minutes ago, NottsRam77 said: My biggest issue ... and it’s one we should all be concerned about ... is the bounce by all accounts he’s quite reserved and withdrawn .. after frank and the bounce after every big win can we cope with just a quick gesture of wave to the crowd and disappearing down the tunnel ? i hoping Mel has drawn something into his contract about this Zebedee's taking the bounce he apparently created along with Ermintrude to entertain his minions in London . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JfR Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 5 minutes ago, TigerTedd said: Had to look up what that was. Glad I didn’t do it work. Maybe everyone else on the forum is just too innocent to know what it is. Or too afraid to admit knowing what it is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Begley Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 (Villa fan) Delighted for you guys getting Cocu, feel a little guilty after May, but we were in exactly the same position 12 months ago and now in the PL. It should / will be hopefully be you joining us next May as long as we don't come straight back down. If Chelsea fail to agree a deal with Frank and if that all falls through then I would still sack Frack and employ Cocu. The 4m from Chelsea is just the cherry on top of the cake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambitious Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 Building on a point I made earlier: the money he had and where he spent it. 13/14 season: Adam Maher - €7.20m - 19 year old midfielder. Jeffrey Bruma - €3.15m - 21 year old centre back. Stijn Schaars - €765k - 29 year old midfielder. Santiago Arias - €608k - 21 year old right back. Florian Jozefzoon - €248k - 22 year old winger. Ji-Sung Park - loan - 32 year old midfielder. Karim Rekik - loan - 18 year old defender. Bryan Ruiz - loan - 28 year old winger. 14/15 season: Luuk De Jong - €4.95m - 23 year old striker. Remko Pasveer - free - 30 year old goalkeeper. Andres Guardado - loan - 27 year old midfielder. Danny Wintjens - loan - 31 year old goalkeeper. Nicolas Isimat-Mirin - loan - 22 year old centre back. 15/16 season: Gaston Pereiro - €6.3m - 20 year old midfielder Davy Propper - €4.05m - 23 year old midfielder. Hector Moreno - €3.15m - 27 year old centre back. Andres Guardado - €2.52m - 28 year old midfielder Nicolas Isimat-Mirin - €2.16m - 23 year old centre back Luuk Koopmans - €90k - 21 year old goalkeeper Simon Poulson - free - 30 year old defender Marco Van Ginkel - loan - 23 year old midfielder Maxime Lestienne - loan - 23 year old defender 16/17 season: Bart Ramselaar - €4.28m - 20 year old attacking midfielder Hidde Jurjus - €450k - 22 year old goalkeeper Daniel Schwaab - free - 27 year old centre back Oleksandr Zinchenko - loan - 19 year old left back Siem De Jong - loan - 27 year old midfielder Marco Van Ginkel - loan - 24 year old midfielder 17/18 season: Maximiliano Romero - €9m - 18 year old striker Hirving Lozano - €7.20m - 21 year old winger Derrick Luckassen - €4.50m - 22 year old centre back Eloy Room - €360k - 30 year old goalkeeper 18/19 season: Jailson - €3.6m - 22 year old midfielder Harun Tekin - €2.48m - 29 year old goalkeeper Michael Frey - €2.38m - 24 year old forward Berke Ozer - €2.25m - 18 year old goalkeeper Baris Alici - €1.35m - 21 year old winger Ferdi Kadioglu - €1.26m - 18 year old midfielder Tolga Cigerci - free - 26 year old midfielder Diego Reyes - free - 25 year old defender Andre Ayew - loan - 28 year old midfielder Yassine Benzia - loan - 23 year old midfielder Islam Slimani - loan - 30 year old striker A few things that seem to be consistent: 1) the bloke likes to sign a keeper. 2) the money is usually spent on the midfield - particularly young attacking midfielders. 3) he doesn't like to sign experienced players for relatively big money - out of the 10 biggest signings he's made the oldest came into the club at 23 (Jeffrey Bruma). Although, he is joint 10th with Hector Moreno who was 27 and still sold on for a profit. 4) He has previously delved into the UK market for loans and will have already made contacts at various clubs, notably Chelsea. It keeps the relationship strong there. 5) He likes the South American market, particularly when spending money - Jailson, Romero, Lozano & Pereiro in the last two seasons. 6) The average age of the team he had at Fenderbache was completely different to the team he had at PSV. I would therefore say he has an affinity for working with young players which produces the best results. 7) He's only really signed three strikers which I find fascinating - De Jong, Romero & Slimani - given the amount of transfers he's made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamFan13 Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 Might spark Jozefzoon into life seeing as he would of played under Cocu at PSV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 Quote Maxime Lestienne - loan - 23 year old defender He's a winger. Some good players signed but thats alot of transfers, and more money to spend than we have. Reminds me in some ways of Docherty at man utd. He signed young players and did lots of deals. I knew when he came to Derby that we simply couldn't afford to sustain that amount of turnover. We ran out of money and the wheeling and dealing became a spiral of decline. Hopefully we don't need that much of a rebuild this time and we can build within a sustinable budget. UTR ???????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 Quote after frank and the bounce after every big win, can we cope with just a quick gesture of wave to the crowd and disappearing down the tunnel I hope thats exactly what we do get. It would be too cheesy to see the new man doing an impression of frank. A wave will do fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ossieram Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 23 minutes ago, RamNut said: He's a winger. Some good players signed but thats alot of transfers, and more money to spend than we have. Reminds me in some ways of Docherty at man utd. He signed young players and did lots of deals. I knew when he came to Derby that we simply couldn't afford to sustain that amount of turnover. We ran out of money and the wheeling and dealing became a spiral of decline. Hopefully we don't need that much of a rebuild this time and we can build within a sustinable budget. UTR ???????? He made a hell of a lot more money from sales than he spent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thederbyram Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 7 hours ago, NottsRam77 said: My biggest issue ... and it’s one we should all be concerned about ... is the bounce by all accounts he’s quite reserved and withdrawn .. after frank and the bounce after every big win can we cope with just a quick gesture of wave to the crowd and disappearing down the tunnel ? i hoping Mel has drawn something into his contract about this Easy - pass the mantle onto the players. "Duane start the bounce" one game, "Waghorn start the bounce" the next.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thederbyram Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 8 hours ago, Nuwtfly said: Bart Ramsalaar (PSV) ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 8 hours ago, Paul71 said: Yes, that looks like a seal in the background wearing sunglasses. I thought that was his reflection ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigmaRam Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 6 hours ago, Ambitious said: Building on a point I made earlier: the money he had and where he spent it. 13/14 season: Adam Maher - €7.20m - 19 year old midfielder. Jeffrey Bruma - €3.15m - 21 year old centre back. Stijn Schaars - €765k - 29 year old midfielder. Santiago Arias - €608k - 21 year old right back. Florian Jozefzoon - €248k - 22 year old winger. Ji-Sung Park - loan - 32 year old midfielder. Karim Rekik - loan - 18 year old defender. Bryan Ruiz - loan - 28 year old winger. 14/15 season: Luuk De Jong - €4.95m - 23 year old striker. Remko Pasveer - free - 30 year old goalkeeper. Andres Guardado - loan - 27 year old midfielder. Danny Wintjens - loan - 31 year old goalkeeper. Nicolas Isimat-Mirin - loan - 22 year old centre back. 15/16 season: Gaston Pereiro - €6.3m - 20 year old midfielder Davy Propper - €4.05m - 23 year old midfielder. Hector Moreno - €3.15m - 27 year old centre back. Andres Guardado - €2.52m - 28 year old midfielder Nicolas Isimat-Mirin - €2.16m - 23 year old centre back Luuk Koopmans - €90k - 21 year old goalkeeper Simon Poulson - free - 30 year old defender Marco Van Ginkel - loan - 23 year old midfielder Maxime Lestienne - loan - 23 year old defender 16/17 season: Bart Ramselaar - €4.28m - 20 year old attacking midfielder Hidde Jurjus - €450k - 22 year old goalkeeper Daniel Schwaab - free - 27 year old centre back Oleksandr Zinchenko - loan - 19 year old left back Siem De Jong - loan - 27 year old midfielder Marco Van Ginkel - loan - 24 year old midfielder 17/18 season: Maximiliano Romero - €9m - 18 year old striker Hirving Lozano - €7.20m - 21 year old winger Derrick Luckassen - €4.50m - 22 year old centre back Eloy Room - €360k - 30 year old goalkeeper 18/19 season: Jailson - €3.6m - 22 year old midfielder Harun Tekin - €2.48m - 29 year old goalkeeper Michael Frey - €2.38m - 24 year old forward Berke Ozer - €2.25m - 18 year old goalkeeper Baris Alici - €1.35m - 21 year old winger Ferdi Kadioglu - €1.26m - 18 year old midfielder Tolga Cigerci - free - 26 year old midfielder Diego Reyes - free - 25 year old defender Andre Ayew - loan - 28 year old midfielder Yassine Benzia - loan - 23 year old midfielder Islam Slimani - loan - 30 year old striker A few things that seem to be consistent: 1) the bloke likes to sign a keeper. 2) the money is usually spent on the midfield - particularly young attacking midfielders. 3) he doesn't like to sign experienced players for relatively big money - out of the 10 biggest signings he's made the oldest came into the club at 23 (Jeffrey Bruma). Although, he is joint 10th with Hector Moreno who was 27 and still sold on for a profit. 4) He has previously delved into the UK market for loans and will have already made contacts at various clubs, notably Chelsea. It keeps the relationship strong there. 5) He likes the South American market, particularly when spending money - Jailson, Romero, Lozano & Pereiro in the last two seasons. 6) The average age of the team he had at Fenderbache was completely different to the team he had at PSV. I would therefore say he has an affinity for working with young players which produces the best results. 7) He's only really signed three strikers which I find fascinating - De Jong, Romero & Slimani - given the amount of transfers he's made. Sounds like he has the right business model. Loan in experience and develop the young for a profit. Instead of developing everyone else’s young players for them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desirelines Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 Sounds like he prefers playing with a big-man up top – Jack Marriott strapping himself into the rack as we speak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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