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europia

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Brayford not a bad shout. Much of our attacking play comes via Christie, so it's a specialist position that needs to be filled like for like. As far as I am aware Brayford was popular with Rams supporters and could do the job in the short term.

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12 hours ago, rammieib said:

Alpha - It would totally take away an attacking dimension from the team. RB (and LB) is more pivotal under Mac than under any other manager we have had recently. His play in the past two games has impressed me, but Baird won't give you the options that an attacking full back would give.

This would mean less space for other players (Noticeably Ince) and it would restrict their game. I also don't think Baird is that good defensively. 1 on 1 he will get killed as he now jumps in and ends up being flat footed.

Mac wants us to score more goals and win games - the best way would be to put Anya in there. Rotherham and Norwich at home, Wigan away. Nothing we should fear there.

I agree with you btw. I do think Anya would be the best choice. But I just don't  think Baird is the utter donkey that some make out. 

He's as likely to mess up defensively as Cyrus and Olsson but no more. And attacking he'll just play the easiest ball. That's not enough for us but my point is more that he's not a donkey.

My only worry about Anya is the loss of more strength and height. Where people obsess with pace and energy there's always a case for strength and height. All far less important than being intelligent and good at football. But you need all 4 of the others here and there. 

 

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12 hours ago, Alpha said:

I agree with you btw. I do think Anya would be the best choice. But I just don't  think Baird is the utter donkey that some make out. 

He's as likely to mess up defensively as Cyrus and Olsson but no more. And attacking he'll just play the easiest ball. That's not enough for us but my point is more that he's not a donkey.

My only worry about Anya is the loss of more strength and height. Where people obsess with pace and energy there's always a case for strength and height. All far less important than being intelligent and good at football. But you need all 4 of the others here and there. 

 

Normally I'd say the same about Baird, only thing putting me off now is how poor RD said his body language was for U23s last night. But I agree some make it sound like the equivalent of pulling me out the crowd and putting me at RB, he's not ideal by any means but as desperate stop gaps go, we've had worse. Wasn't that long ago we had to loan in journeymen in their 30s

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13 hours ago, Alpha said:

I agree with you btw. I do think Anya would be the best choice. But I just don't  think Baird is the utter donkey that some make out. 

He's as likely to mess up defensively as Cyrus and Olsson but no more. And attacking he'll just play the easiest ball. That's not enough for us but my point is more that he's not a donkey.

My only worry about Anya is the loss of more strength and height. Where people obsess with pace and energy there's always a case for strength and height. All far less important than being intelligent and good at football. But you need all 4 of the others here and there. 

 

Agree on the height thing - I'm not a fan of Olsson because of this - Forsyth gave you arial ability.

It'll be interesting with Max Lowe if the strength/aerial ability will come over time. Take the 'wonder' tackle he did at Wolves as well - great tackle but if you watch the play a few seconds before it, the moment Pearce went across with the player on the ball, your full back should slot into Pearce position, Lowe didn't - he hesitated for a second or two and then went and covered inside.

On the height between your centre backs and Johnson, we're a small team. Bent can offer a degree of defensive support but you need one of the bigger guys to win that ball. I guess its why we are leaving two players up as it frees up space for our arial players to win the ball. Has its risks though...

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On 08/11/2016 at 13:30, europia said:

Brayford not a bad shout. Much of our attacking play comes via Christie, so it's a specialist position that needs to be filled like for like. As far as I am aware Brayford was popular with Rams supporters and could do the job in the short term.

Isn't he on loan to Burton for the whole season?

& if we're going back to the clough era lets bring back Rob Hulse & Gary Teale.

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On ‎11‎/‎8‎/‎2016 at 13:30, europia said:

Brayford not a bad shout. Much of our attacking play comes via Christie, so it's a specialist position that needs to be filled like for like. As far as I am aware Brayford was popular with Rams supporters and could do the job in the short term.

Think he is on a loan till Jan but wants to extend it.    Is very much Nigel Clough's player and happy to be so

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Can anyone more familiar with the academy than I am say whether there's anyone in there who could do a job? I like Hanson, but I don't think he's the long-term solution at RB, and the less said about Baird the better. Instead of panic buying an expensive name in Jan, I really do think we should look to the academy if at all possible.

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Baird is the only real choice. Hanson's natural position isn't RB and we saw that he'd struggle against a strong pacey forward against Wolves. I think Baird's superior experience would serve him fair better in that position. 

Anya would be fine going forward but do we have any idea if he's at all decent defensively? My guess is that his defensive discipline isn't anywhere close to good enough to fill in as a strict RB in a back four. If we thought Christie jeopardised us defensively there by taking on players when he had little or no cover behind him, imagine a player there who is actually a winger! 

Nope, has to be Baird for me. Barring a disastrous performance from him against Rotherham (or an injury).

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12 hours ago, Howard Canitbé said:

Baird is the only real choice. Hanson's natural position isn't RB and we saw that he'd struggle against a strong pacey forward against Wolves. I think Baird's superior experience would serve him fair better in that position. 

Anya would be fine going forward but do we have any idea if he's at all decent defensively? My guess is that his defensive discipline isn't anywhere close to good enough to fill in as a strict RB in a back four. If we thought Christie jeopardised us defensively there by taking on players when he had little or no cover behind him, imagine a player there who is actually a winger! 

Nope, has to be Baird for me. Barring a disastrous performance from him against Rotherham (or an injury).

Baird is probably the most likely but I wish he wasn't. This is obviously the reason why he was brought in to be the utility man and cover multiple positions when needed. But the way we play football just means he is a pure liability in the defence. He cannot pass the ball to save his life, He can't go round a player. All he can do is defend, now I know most people are going to be like "Well that's what a right backs job is..." But the way that football has changed means that the full backs HAVE to be able to attack as well as defend. So in January this needs to be addressed and sign a back up RB to cover Christie.

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