PodgeyRam Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 3 minutes ago, brady1993 said: I don't buy this argument in the slightest. If his attitude was so bad, why would he turn up two weeks early for pre-season this year? Why would Nigel Clough, a colossal stickler for bringing in players of the right attitude, sign him ? That's a very good point. Clough was almost anal in his need that players have the right attitude before the club bought them and if they didn't he shipped them out quickly a la Craig Maguire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew James Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 Martin plays for Fulham, and 1 goal in 22 matches. We have moved on... Now Ibro would be good and he was on a free from PSG !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannable Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 1 hour ago, toddy said: Why would Vydra play a lone striker in 4-3-3? Why not? Formations don't matter and once they're over the white line it's down to the players; remember? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 45 minutes ago, Andrew James said: Martin plays for Fulham, and 1 goal in 22 matches. We have moved on... McClaren, he's gone sacked, we've moved on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catram Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 We've got vydra! Matej vydra i just dont think you understand we know hes going to pounce and make the south stand bounce weve got matej vydra! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1967Ram Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 7 hours ago, Jon_Grooves said: Anyone that wants Martin back is an idiot. Stop living in the past, weve got vydra now I'm obviously an idiot then. I like the look of Vydra but want Martin too because he would increase our attacking options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninos Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 He ain't coming back - I can't imagine that Mac has even thought of him - more likely hes loving the pace he's never had up top. Vydra excites him although he really wanted vydra to get the 2nd satdee. Vydra will need to start executing more consistently Time will tell everything. Enjoy the ride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddy Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 4 hours ago, Jimbo Ram said: Who was the other striker he was playing with on Saturday then? Yes spot on we don't play a 4-3-3. 4-3-2-1 maybe or even 4-1-2-2-1 with GT. So why does everybody say we need Marton back cos we play 4-3-3? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brady1993 Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 12 minutes ago, toddy said: Yes spot on we don't play a 4-3-3. 4-3-2-1 maybe or even 4-1-2-2-1 with GT. So why does everybody say we need Marton back cos we play 4-3-3? Your being more than a little facetious here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Ram Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 15 minutes ago, toddy said: Yes spot on we don't play a 4-3-3. 4-3-2-1 maybe or even 4-1-2-2-1 with GT. So why does everybody say we need Marton back cos we play 4-3-3? The point I was making was he can't play the Martin role, he is more of a Vardy than say a Charlie Austin... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BondJovi Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 Why don't give it a little more than 1 match under McClaren as the main striker. Why do we think Vydra can't do the back to goal things? From my understanding he has a good first touch and has some footballing brains. The things we lose most here are the set pieces and defending corners. Maybe he won't be able to play the "Martin" role the same way but a new way could benefit us. At this point we just do not know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VulcanRam Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 Key to this whole debate is whether a 4-3-3 has to involve the Martin way - a big man playing up front who we play through and runners running off him. Or is there another way to play 4-3-3 that doesn't involve the Martin way and which might better suit Vydra? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew James Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 13 hours ago, RoyMac5 said: McClaren, he's gone sacked, we've moved on... And so has Martin on a season loan not a 2 month loan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 30 minutes ago, Andrew James said: And so has Martin on a season loan not a 2 month loan. Ooooh look Macs come back! So could Martin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barnsley ram Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 15 hours ago, PodgeyRam said: That's a very good point. Clough was almost anal in his need that players have the right attitude before the club bought them and if they didn't he shipped them out quickly a la Craig Maguire. i think he started training early because he was two stones over wieght Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddy Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 11 hours ago, Jimbo Ram said: The point I was making was he can't play the Martin role, he is more of a Vardy than say a Charlie Austin... Vydra does not need to play the Martin role, as you say he is a different player. So we should be adding to the skills that Vydra has, possibly playing a true 4-3-3, possibly Ince along side him plus a new addition in January. In the mean time we can play Weimann or Wilson in a front 3 with vydra and Ince. Playing a true 3 up front that don't play in a set position eg all 3 interchange on left or right or down the middle causes defences major problems. Because the 3 will be runners with pace it pulls defenders all over the place which in turn opens up space for each of the 3 front strikers to run into and open up the opposition. For this all to happen we need to start to release the ball from midfield so much quicker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raminphilippines Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 I would go with Martin, but then I am biased because he grew up in the same place as me, went to my old school, used to play next door to my mother and is often seen in the village. If only I was a kid again it would have been a dream having Derby's top scorer in the village. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angieram Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 1 hour ago, barnsley ram said: i think he started training early because he was two stones over wieght Yes he was so overweight pre-season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannable Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 49 minutes ago, toddy said: Vydra does not need to play the Martin role, as you say he is a different player. So we should be adding to the skills that Vydra has, possibly playing a true 4-3-3, possibly Ince along side him plus a new addition in January. In the mean time we can play Weimann or Wilson in a front 3 with vydra and Ince. Playing a true 3 up front that don't play in a set position eg all 3 interchange on left or right or down the middle causes defences major problems. Because the 3 will be runners with pace it pulls defenders all over the place which in turn opens up space for each of the 3 front strikers to run into and open up the opposition. For this all to happen we need to start to release the ball from midfield so much quicker. Park the bus and that's Vydra and Weismann nullified… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richinspain Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 56 minutes ago, toddy said: Vydra does not need to play the Martin role, as you say he is a different player. So we should be adding to the skills that Vydra has, possibly playing a true 4-3-3, possibly Ince along side him plus a new addition in January. In the mean time we can play Weimann or Wilson in a front 3 with vydra and Ince. Playing a true 3 up front that don't play in a set position eg all 3 interchange on left or right or down the middle causes defences major problems. Because the 3 will be runners with pace it pulls defenders all over the place which in turn opens up space for each of the 3 front strikers to run into and open up the opposition. For this all to happen we need to start to release the ball from midfield so much quicker. 7 minutes ago, cannable said: Park the bus and that's Vydra and Weismann nullified… But not Wilson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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