cannable Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 9 minutes ago, cheron85 said: He's a smart and shrewd guy... And a professional... Loyalty aside... You don't publicly slag off people you worked with, you don't bad mouth a guy who's just left and you say nice things about them... That's the way to behave professionally... They're close… I merely said that to exemplify that fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheron85 Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 7 minutes ago, Rambusta said: some pressure must be coming from above to play players that had recently cost alot of money just to have them either benched or in the U23... 4 minutes ago, WhiteHorseRam said: There are a lot of 'big' players in the squad (ex prem and Internationals), I think you can detect a frustration that they aren't in the automatic spots. This goes back to Wassall and 3-3 Rotherham. I don't buy this at all I'm afraid... In Wassall we had a guy who (theoretically) should have been more 'under the thumb' of ownership than any other manager and he basically went back to playing the Nigel Clough era players! If it'd been a 'big money players' issue Johnson, Butterfield and Blackman would have been on every teamsheet... But he went back (as much as possible) to Bryson, Hendrick and Russell... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinfinMark Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 9 minutes ago, Rambusta said: It also begs the question how they (the players) would have coped with a "hairdrier" from Fegie or a "rollicking" from BC....OK the dressingroom may have been "lost" but its not as if Pearson could just sack some of them for not trying...some pressure must be coming from above to play players that had recently cost alot of money just to have them either benched or in the U23... Fergie brought in players who would respond to that treatment he also didn't respond the same to every player, if he knew one player needed a kick up the arse to respond he would gladly do the kicking but at the same time he would also put the arm round the shoulder of those he felt responded better that way. Yes at half time when he's berating the squad and screaming and shouting the whole team is there, but he'd be careful on who was singled out for the abuse. It would be the ones he knew would take it well and could handle it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 2 hours ago, SuperDerbySuperRams said: This aligns with what I've heard. Rather than TalkSports version of events (Pearson's version of events) Myself as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 11 minutes ago, WhiteHorseRam said: This goes back to Wassall and 3-3 Rotherham. explain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 2 hours ago, Ramarena said: Two worrying things stand out in this scenario, obviously Pearson's behaviour and the fact that we took on a manager this volatile, but also the players grouping together and stating they don't want to work for a manager is a very worrying sign! If the working environment is toxic then these things happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteHorseRam Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 3 minutes ago, cheron85 said: I don't buy this at all I'm afraid... In Wassall we had a guy who (theoretically) should have been more 'under the thumb' of ownership than any other manager and he basically went back to playing the Nigel Clough era players! If it'd been a 'big money players' issue Johnson, Butterfield and Blackman would have been on every teamsheet... But he went back (as much as possible) to Bryson, Hendrick and Russell... I am not talking about a particular manager's shortcomings or being 'under the thumb', but player expectation and career ambition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteHorseRam Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 4 minutes ago, Mostyn6 said: explain? Leading 3-0 until the 83rd minute then letting in three goals would frustrate me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddy Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 25 minutes ago, cannable said: Powell is good friends with Pearson, clearly. Cardiff post match shows that he is still loyal to him. If the players were massively out of order and "snaked" Pearson why would Powell stay and manage them after what they did to his friend? Why would Powell stay and work with them? Contract maybe, ££££ maybe, or maybe he hopes he can sort them out......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 3 minutes ago, WhiteHorseRam said: Leading 3-0 until the 83rd minute then letting in three goals would frustrate me. yeah, I know what happened, What relevance is it? How is it linked to your previous comment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteHorseRam Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 2 minutes ago, Mostyn6 said: yeah, I know what happened, What relevance is it? How is it linked to your previous comment? The point I am making is that I imagine the players are as ecstatic as we are with 10 pts after 11 games. I think the tension started then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WystonRam Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 44 minutes ago, nottingram said: I think it's about time we stop thinking of the players as objects or commodities and start thinking of them as human beings. If you need an arm round your shoulder and instead get a rocket up your arse, that is plainly and simply bad management. It's not unprofessional to complain to your manager's superior if you're not happy with how you're being treated. This is how it would happen in the normal workplace, a discussion would be held between the two parties before deciding whether there was a case to answer, whether it could be resolved amicably or whether further action would be necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uptherams Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 I don't think some of these players want to play for anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nottingram Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 5 minutes ago, WystonRam said: This is how it would happen in the normal workplace, a discussion would be held between the two parties before deciding whether there was a case to answer, whether it could be resolved amicably or whether further action would be necessary. Exactly, I don't see why just because it's football it should be any different. Maybe the players do have too much power at Derby but this example proves nothing like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambusta Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 27 minutes ago, cheron85 said: I don't buy this at all I'm afraid... In Wassall we had a guy who (theoretically) should have been more 'under the thumb' of ownership than any other manager and he basically went back to playing the Nigel Clough era players! If it'd been a 'big money players' issue Johnson, Butterfield and Blackman would have been on every teamsheet... But he went back (as much as possible) to Bryson, Hendrick and Russell... Wassal may have done...as soon as Pearson was suspended Powell brought in several of the recently purchased/expensive players that previously were either benched or not picked in the squad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B4ev6is Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 Hey guys you can not say these things you have no prove of this so please for everyone sake keep it to your self. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 If abuse was aimedat chris baird, I have a theory on nigel pearson's dcfcfans login. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanjwitham Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 3 minutes ago, Rambusta said: Wassal may have done...as soon as Pearson was suspended Powell brought in several of the recently purchased/expensive players that previously were either benched or not picked in the squad But he also managed to select a reasonably balanced XI that had most of the players in positions they were capable of playing, with the right system around them to let them do what they're good at. It's pretty much the XI that I would have picked, given the squad we have. And given that, I'd rather assume Powell is just doing a decent job, rather than some conspiracy involving Morris picking the team. At least until we see any evidence to the contrary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zag zig Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 5 minutes ago, RadioactiveWaste said: If abuse was aimedat chris baird, I have a theory on nigel pearson's dcfcfans login. You do make me chuckle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroyDyer Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 Here we go again. The 'clique' strikes again. I could probably guess at least a few of the seven. Spoilt little ***** deserved a bollocking after Blackburn. If they can't take it, **** off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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