Carl Sagan Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 Monday night, having seen the weekend results. Because we're currently playing catchup, there'll be a little more pressure as we'll have slipped down the table. But there's another couple of days that may mean Thorne is in contention (wasn't he hoping to join in with training today?).We've obviously not gelled except for shortish patches in matches, but we're only 7 games in and we're proving hard to score against - the opposite of the end of last season. We're also rarely entertaining (except for in those short patches). It's very hard indeed to second guess Clement, but I think he'll go for:CarsonChristie Keogh Shackell ForsythThorneButterfield JohnsonInce Martin RussellBench: Grant, Shotton, Warnock, Bent, Hendrick, Hanson, WeimannI'm presuming Bryson won't be ready for the bench, and for this game Pearce and Dawkins will be the senior players to miss out.The biggest thing for me is to up our tempo, attacking with verve (taking risks) and lots of running at the opponents or fast one-touch football. Also shooting when the chance comes. And this also means moving the ball more quickly out of defence rather than let our opponents set themselves while we pass along the back four. Keogh has much the best distribution of the defenders playing (with Bucko injured) so let's hope he drives us quickly forward, helped considerably by the return of Georgie boy. Clement was almost brutal with Thorne over preseason, making him do all the sessions to get back used to the rough and tumble, and playing when you're not 100% (as every footballer has to do). I think he will bring him straight back in if he can.In defence we're defending the edge of the area and daring our opponents to shoot from distance, which they're doing. I'd like to see us closing down higher up the pitch, but of course that runs a risk of being opened up more than we've seen so far. And although it's inevitable we'll concede to deflected long shots given how we're defending, we do seem to have been especially unucky in the numbers.After the slow start, it would be amazing and a massive boost if we can get the first home win (another monkey off Clement's back) and make it three wins in a row. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 Ram Raider Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 ClaretMatt what's your feelings towards Shackell, will you be booing everytime he touches the ball? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramzabac Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 As of late Martin hasnt been getting his usual fouls, maybe the refs have looked at his past few seasons? something for Martin himself to look at because his free kick winning is invaluable. Love the man got his share on Tuesday against Reading. I was sitting with Reading fans who were really frustrated with him. Brilliant! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClaretMatt Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 ClaretMatt what's your feelings towards Shackell, will you be booing everytime he touches the ball? If I was going then yes I would have booed every touch and be hoping for a win so a fun pair of "Shackell, what's the score?" and "What a waste of money" chants could be rolled out. The move to Monday means I can't go. Possibly a good thing, he'll probably score, the money-grabbing b*stard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramshankered Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 If I was going then yes I would have booed every touch and be hoping for a win so a fun pair of "Shackell, what's the score?" and "What a waste of money" chants could be rolled out. The move to Monday means I can't go. Possibly a good thing, he'll probably score, the money-grabbing b*stard. Come on man. Everyone knows we just lent him to you (for 3 years ) so he could develop as a top championship / lower prem defender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Mills Posted September 17, 2015 Author Share Posted September 17, 2015 If I was going then yes I would have booed every touch and be hoping for a win so a fun pair of "Shackell, what's the score?" and "What a waste of money" chants could be rolled out. The move to Monday means I can't go. Possibly a good thing, he'll probably score, the money-grabbing b*stard. let's take this example. Say you work for Lonsdale, all of a sudden Nike come in and offer you double the wage you're on now. Which job would you be doing? That's the equivalent to what has happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reithe glas Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 Accidentally clicked quote on your post so here you go, have my 1000th post.Christ Martin will be our saviour this year.He walks on water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEL Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 Can't wait for this one and definitely will be singing that aims at Dyche. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harryram Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 If I was going then yes I would have booed every touch and be hoping for a win so a fun pair of "Shackell, what's the score?" and "What a waste of money" chants could be rolled out. The move to Monday means I can't go. Possibly a good thing, he'll probably score, the money-grabbing b*stard. I will be borrowing this one for Andre Gray £9m having a laugh. And I really hope Dyce gets some much deserved abuse for his joke(buying the league) comment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorkshireRam Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 If I was going then yes I would have booed every touch and be hoping for a win so a fun pair of "Shackell, what's the score?" and "What a waste of money" chants could be rolled out. The move to Monday means I can't go. Possibly a good thing, he'll probably score, the money-grabbing b*stard. That'd be controversial considering you just paid £9 million for Andre Gray, who, from what I've seen is a fairly unspectacular player that you've paid a spectacular amount of money for! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abu Derby Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 If I remember rightly B4 doesn't get on with Burnley. I think it's time to offer an olive branch to them - after we've destroyed them of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yani P Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 We tend to do shyte against them for some bizzare reason Im going 3-0 Derby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEL Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 Thorne back for this one. Good news! Johnson need to move further the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jono Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 Yes Derby England .. Agree .. Johnson CAN play DM but his strength seems to be better suited higher up and thorne's presence should allow him to do that. I missed the Leeds game cos of family Holidays so am having serious live footy withdrawal symptoms .. Can't wait for Monday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosmic Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 Thorne/Butterfield/Johnson is the new Eustace/Hughes/Bryson. Let's hope we get to see it in full glory on Monday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 I'd rather Hanson do the defensive role and BJ further up. Still have a hunch well lose because its Burnley and we always do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t'oldu Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 Thorne could be fit but Bryson not.Forgotten what is wrong with Bryson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MACKWORTHRAM Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 The Burnley game 2 seasons ago when Martin got booked and subsequently sent off for diving that the referee got it wrong on 1 count for sure and possibly 2 depending on your opinion.Was it or wasn't it a dive? I don't think it was. But there are people out there that do, so that one will always be debatable.The thing that isn't debatable is that diving is not a foul. You cant stop the game for a dive. Simple as that.The referee is supposed to let the game carry on and then if he wants to go back and book Martin after. The referee made a massive mistake not allowing the game to go on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam the Ram Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 Just had a watch of Dyche's interview about the game and he spoke briefly about Shackell. He said basically just to clear things up, when he left the media (particularly the written media) tried to put some spin on it and make up some kind of story. There was nothing of the sort and the reason he left was because 'things change in football.' Says he still texts him from time to time and wishes him well other than Monday. "I don't think he missed a single minute while I've been here so that just shows what an important part I considered him to be." He also mentioned about there being different levels of finance in the division about 30 seconds into the interview Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 The Burnley game 2 seasons ago when Martin got booked and subsequently sent off for diving that the referee got it wrong on 1 count for sure and possibly 2 depending on your opinion.Was it or wasn't it a dive? I don't think it was. But there are people out there that do, so that one will always be debatable.The thing that isn't debatable is that diving is not a foul. You cant stop the game for a dive. Simple as that.The referee is supposed to let the game carry on and then if he wants to go back and book Martin after. The referee made a massive mistake not allowing the game to go on.MR is that right? Don't the rules state that "attempts to deceive the referee by feigning injury or pretending to have been fouled must be sanctioned as unsporting behaviour which is misconduct punishable by a yellow card". Doesn't that suggest that the whistle should be blown straightaway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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