WilkoRam

Well this a nice feel good period. Love it. Long may it continue! Starting to look up the table now. Not getting carried away but a lot more positive about the season!

Up the 🐏🐏

Can we not all just enjoy the win and the performance? We can talk about how poor Northampton might have been but I for one have been calling out for entertainment and we got that but rather than enjoying it some still want to dismiss it.

We won, it was good, time will tell if it’s a corner turned or not but enjoy it for what it is. 

48 minutes ago, Comrade 86 said:

Is it more unlikely than us having an agreement or contingency in place to the tune of £1.5 million plus when we've just exited admin having agreed only 25p in the £ for creditor repayments? Might HMRC be thinking that might be taking the piss? I'm unsure as to why some form of salary cap is considered so unlikely given our past overspend. It's precisely the kind of restriction I'd expect.

That said, it's just an opinion and frankly if Clowes wants to give more time to Warne and that's the sole reason he remains in situ, I'm not sure fans should be trying to bully him into doing otherwise anyway. If they want to vote with their feet, so be it, but I'm not sure pitching assumptions as facts and then using them to demean him is either credible or appropriate. This last bit isn't a reference to you by the way, more an observation on some of the garbage I saw posted last night.

I agree completely with your last paragraph. Clowes is the owner and the sole reason we still have a club. If he feels that Warne should have more time then that’s his choice. I’m ashamed at some people’s personal attacks on him and on Warne. Completely uncalled for.

The first part is just more guess work though and I only highlight it as you posted about material facts having long since gone and then proceed to make assumptions as to EFL restrictions possibly being in place. Who knows?

Clowes has made his decision, I hope it works and the football and results improve. I have nothing against Warne I just haven’t enjoyed much of our football this season and that’s a shame.

On that topic- my eldest daughter has got into football and there’s a battle at the moment between her supporting Derby or Tottenham (my wife’s team). Last season I think I was edging it, helped by taking her to some games (which is easier than getting tickets for Spurs). Also helped by Spurs playing awful football and the atmosphere being pretty toxic. This year I have no hope though, to sit bored watching Derby or watch some great entertainment with Spurs, which would you choose? I think as well that’s where we are, we’re Spurs of last year. We’ve gone for a “proven winner” but the football is poor and the results aren’t good enough for fans to swallow that style, it’s creating a divided fanbase. We’re not going to get a Big Ange through the door but what a difference a manager can make, someone who wants to entertain the fans, who’s happy for them to get excited and carried away. How I’d love that at Derby, instead I know my Daughter will be a Spurs fan now and I can’t blame her.

6 hours ago, Comrade 86 said:

Has it not occurred to you that one of the very restrictions upon which the EFL may have insisted, is that we don't do the manager churn s***, that led to our mad overspend in the first place? Might the removal of Rosenior mere weeks into the season, be our ace played early? I'm gonna duck out now anyway as I think any material facts have long since become irrelevant to this thread.

None of us know said restrictions but this seems like a highly unlikely one.

I think, and again this is just an opinion as none of us know, but Clowes is one of the fans who thinks Warne needs more time, end of.

He’s had a meeting, been shown a few highlight reels and been convinced things will get better. Nothing more to it, not some strange demand from the EFL that we’re not allowed to lay a manager off or a lack of money to do it, just the simple fact he believes (after having a meeting) that time is what is needed right now. 

6 minutes ago, Eatonram said:

I really wonder what the Warne Outers actually want to happen. 
Obviously most want Warne sacked. I think we know that means his “team of staff” will also have to go and all be paid off. 
So then what? Appoint a rookie like eg Curtis Davies or experienced manager? (Like Warne ironically). How long a contract? Will we allow them to complete their contract? How soon do we “expect” promotion? 
People keep clamouring for more change and yet “change” has hardly ever delivered results. We sacked Roy Mac and appointed TBE. that DID work but not before loads of fans wanted him sacked by September. 
So now lease one of the vocal Warne outers WTF do you want to happen right now. 

I don’t think it matters if they’re a rookie or experienced. What matters is we have a good philosophy throughout the club. A joined up way of playing throughout all of the age groups. A philosophy that allows the fans to see a plan and see something that resembles entertainment. 
Nobody expects us to breeze through each game and walk the league but we want something to get behind and something that shows there’s a long term plan for the identity of the team.

3 minutes ago, Duracell said:

Criticising the team and supporting them during the game aren't mutually exclusive. 

I really believe we're awful at the moment, and when I go to Pride Park, I don't want to become an obstacle to the team peforming when their lack of fitness or talent is already a huge one. Supporting the team the team is the entertainment for me, and I'm not going to get any more entertainment by getting on their backs. The whole point of home advantage is to give the players something they can't get without us being there.

It's just the way in England that most fanbases respond to the team rather than the other way round, but the one time it was the team responding to the support from the fans was 2021/22. We nearly kept a team of sixth formers and pensioners in the Championship with a 21 point deduction with our support.

 

I’m not saying they’re mutually exclusive. People can criticise on here and then support during the game. I’m saying the cheering and singing isn’t unconditional. I’ve never booed at a game, even the most turgid of matches, but I’ve also not cheered and sung during them because what am I cheering? You’ve bored me for 90 mins and I’ve cheered you on for doing it?

support is one thing but if you want me to cheer and you want me to sing your name then give me something to sing about, don’t just expect that it will always be there. Earn it, earn that praise, that support, that backing. Earn it by putting on a display that makes me want to come and watch week in week out.

I don’t agree with this idea that it’s now our turn to get behind them and cheer them on.

I’m sure we all got into football because it’s an entertaining game. We pay money (be that for a ticket and cost of travel or travelling to far off places to be able to pay for RamsTV) which many of us struggle with at the minute, in order to go and be entertained and have that enjoyment. 

The players, manager, coaches, etc get paid well to provide that entertainment. It’s not on us to mindlessly cheer each week, it’s for them to give us something to cheer about. We’ll sing and cheer and bounce if we’re entertained but it comes from them in my view. That has been missing recently, the entertainment has gone!

If the football is poor and boring then the atmosphere is likely to be negative and why shouldn’t it. Why should we accept paying money to be bored and frustrated for 90mins?

@G STAR RAM I’m not arguing btw just my opinion.

You don’t think they’re good at this level. I think it’s harsh to judge based on 12 games under the manager they signed for and then a year under a manager who’s tactics I don’t think suit them.

No way of proving either of us right……or is there 🤔😂

4 hours ago, G STAR RAM said:

Are they the same 'top players for this level' that had us in 7th place when Rosenior left?

You’re judging the players after 12 league games when they had such an horrendous pre season and most of them didn’t sign until the season was almost underway?

Personally I think they signed, and were signed, to play a certain way, one that kept the ball and passed it more. They’re not suited to Warne’s style of play. I don’t think you sign them if your tactic is get their faces and win the ball back then get it wide and stick in a cross. 

So they are good players at this level, in my view, but as with all players, only if you play to their strengths. 

Can only beat what’s in front of you. We not only won but we also played some good stuff. Now the test is to show it wasn’t a one off and we don’t revert to type for the next game. 
Two more like that against Stevenage and Northampton and things will look better. Too early to say there’s no longer any concern (it was one game) but it was a step in the right direction. 👍

Sorry if posted already but I’ve only just seen this on the who scored website. 
Ouch!

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I’m not personally panicking due to the thought of being in league 1 next season. As I’ve said previously I’d be ok with that as long as it was entertaining to watch and, for me, it simply isn’t. If I could see something which made me think “we’re not picking up points but I see what we’re trying to do and how we’re trying to develop” then I’d be backing him.

I also can’t get behind setting a specific time I.E. give him until Xmas. What if we lost the next 4 games, getting tonked every game? Would that change? I understand wanting to give it time and not wanting another change of manager. After everything the club has been through we’re screaming out for stability, but at what point does that stability actually become instability due to going backwards?

I’d like to think most fans would want a Derby win tomorrow. A great performance followed by a nice run of results. I hope that in a few weeks or so’s time I’m on here saying “I shouldn’t have doubted Warne, he knew what he was doing and everyone who said he needed time were spot on”

Hopefully nobody wants us to continue to struggle in order to say “I knew he was wrong from the start, look how smart I am”

This isn’t a personal thing. Warne seems like a nice guy, a good person. I just want Derby to win games and crucially to play a style of football that’s fun to watch. (I don’t agree with Radio Derby when they say fans don’t care about performances they just want the team to win. I genuinely care more about watching something enjoyable than being bored for 90 mins and winning.). If that comes under Warne I’d be as happy as anyone. At the moment I just don’t see it unfortunately.

Fair enough it seems some people do blame him for it!

although it wasn’t a decision I would have made I don’t blame him. He went for someone who he thought knew the league and was a safe bet to get us up. 

In terms of what he does differently, I personally hope (if PW does go) he goes for their philosophy and style of play rather than just “results”

I don’t think anyone criticises DC for appointing PW. Maybe the length of the contract but that’s hindsight because of how things are working out.

He basically went down the Spurs after Poch route. He traded a style over what seemed on paper as an almost guarantee of success. It hasn’t worked, if he decides to sack PW he has to decide whether to go down the “proven” route again or to look at the style of play etc. 

30 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

Whilst I think that is still a possibility, how many believe in the long-term with Paul Warne? How many now believe in where he seems to be heading the squad and Club?

This is what it boils down to.  If results were mixed but there were signs of a plan, a project, some sort of identity for the clubs style long term, then I think you’d have more fans on his side.  I see no sign of it, nobody wants to turn up week in week out for us to create 1-2 chances the entire game and maybe score one of those if we’re lucky.

I also don’t buy this “we’re just not taking our chances” - I know not everyone agrees with xG but we have an xG of 1.32 per game and we’ve scored 1.5 per game so we’re scoring more than our expected goals.  We’re not missing great chances, we’re just not creating them.  We’re led to believe we are and then we focus on the one or two chances we missed and think that’s the problem.  Every team misses chances but the good teams create enough to convert them.  We create very little.  No team has a 100% conversation rate on chances.  We simply do not create anywhere near enough and it shows because barely anything happens to get fans off their seat.  Football is an entertainment business and we’re not being entertained.

I wen’t off on a tangent there but in short, there’s little excitement and mixed results.  Unbeaten in the 5 previous league games sounds good, but we only won 2 of them so that’s now 2 wins in 7 league games, that’s poor by anyone’s standards.

I’m not saying he should be sacked but I am saying there’s enough for me to be concerned. 
It’s not this one result. As others have said, a one off result you can accept if other results and performances are up there. Nobody at City were calling for Pep’s head after they lost to Watford. Portsmouth drew at Cheltenham as well but other performances and results mean they can shrug it off as a bad day. 
 

We are having too many poor performances and average results which then changes the context of this result.

Also, and this is a personal opinion which people may or may not agree with but I find the idea of getting it wide, putting in crosses and focusing on set plays (get a bonus day off if you score from one) to be really basic football. And people might say that’s how you play in League 1 but I don’t buy it and it also means, as someone already put, that if you do go up what happens? Do you try and completely change your football and undo all the coaching you have done?

I’m not saying he should go now but the signs aren’t great

1 minute ago, LincsRam said:

After 40 mins I would have taken a point, since then looking at our possession, chances etc we should have won, you cant fathom Collins missing from 2 yards out though. We have been a mixed bag of great play and down right awful.

We can play much better than this, on to the next one.

You say that but that’s been said a fair bit this season already. “On to the next one” “we can play better” “not our day” “if only x took his chance”

after a while you have to maybe realise this is the norm. How many games so fair this season (11 games in) have we thought “that was poor” or boring or dull. 
 

as someone else has mentioned, we can’t dominate games, we can’t stamp our identity on a game, we do well when we have to soak it up rather than play football and break teams down. 
 

playing unattractive football is only accepted when it comes with results.

the utopia is good football and good results but

unattractive football + good results is accepted

attractive football + poor results is accepted (just about)

Unattractive football + poor results will end one way. 
 

I want PW to turn it around but I also want my team to play with the ball on the ground and pass the ball. Not keep it tight and put emphasis on set plays.

14 hours ago, Jimbo Ram said:

He said Cocu had to go because of results ? Priceless ?

I think a number of people said Cocu should go without fully understanding the situation we’re in off the field. Knowing what we know now I think a few of those, me included, would think differently. 
 

The solution with fans these days is always to sack the manager. The belief that the squad is better than it’s showing, a better manager wants in and they will get us playing exciting football. In reality - nobody would want this job, the squad is threadbare and made up of kids and freebies and we’re not suddenly going to be bagging 3 goals a game with a different manager. 
 

Also we couldn’t even afford for Given to stay on as a coach apparently so where you think we’d get money to sack Rooney, his staff and replace them I have no idea. 

41 minutes ago, Tamworthram said:

Unusually for me I spotted your sarcasm and, as I said, I'm not in the Rooney out camp but you do have to wonder how long he can remain in position if the current run continues. He has, without doubt, been dealt a terrible hand but even with the limited squad at his disposal, it could be argued that we should be picking up more than 8 points from 17 games and 2 from the last 9

To be honest pal, I understand your point and the record is poor under any circumstances but I don’t see what this revolving door of managers will achieve when there are bigger issues at the club that are a bigger contributing factor to our current situation. 

30 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

I haven't seen it again other than in match replays, where I was concentrating of trying to figure out what Fozzy was doing. Not for the first time this season he gets out-jumped because he seems not to be competing. If anyone switched off it was him. Maybe Joz was expecting him to get a header in? But yeah I was really liking the bits of attacking play we saw from him. 

I think, having looked at it again, he was expecting their guy to be on the outside and positioned himself for that, but didn’t look, when he realised he was inside it was too late. But the cross still needs to be defended. Byrne is in there and then stops, where their guy doesn’t. Fozzy, Joz and Byrne all should do better. 

1 minute ago, Tamworthram said:

It could be. Let me list all the teams we have beaten (in a competitive match) since the end of February. Erm, 1. So nah nah na nah nah. ?.

I know you're a big Rooney fan and I'm not really in the Rooney out camp but, there must come a time when the buck also stops at the manager.

You’re dead on there. I mean he’s been given all these resources, we have a great squad full of talent. Could not ask for better conditions to manage under and with a host of managers lining up to take the job then why do we keep him in post? ?

Just curious

A) who anyone thinks would take the job under the current circumstances?

B) how many mangers we need to sack before people start to think the issue might be elsewhere?

This sort of thing baffles me. Some players can make a mistake and it’s hardly mentioned, others are hounded and told to get out of the club. If you swapped Byrne and Joz around for the first goal, Joz would still be getting the blame for it. Both failed to stay alert to where the Posh player was and both at fault. Others were at fault for the 2nd goal. Yet, it all comes down to Joz. Before that moment, I thought he did well, he had some good bits of possession, took players on successfully and he looked better with his control, which is usually a point of frustration with me about him. But he switches off (along with others) and he gets this, which is a huge overreaction