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I have a strong dislike for Cummings and I'm sure he is vindictive, but people in government rarely take out against government whilst they're in government, no matter what they thought/think at the time.
We can remember people like Michael Heseltine and John Nott (if you're old enough) because grand gestures and resignations like that are so rare.
Even opponents of Trump like Mattis, Tillerson and Cohen waited until they were on the outside before speaking up.

Once you do speak out you lose your influence, so 99% of people in politics prefer to stay quiet and try to make changes from the inside.
Even Obama spoke of the need to sometimes just keep your mouth shut.
That sounds like it should be true, but from the news reports I have read, it isn't.
I've only followed the BBC and The Guardian and they have just been reporting what Cummings has been saying.
In fact, that is pretty much what the BBC always do to the chagrin of right and left.

I never heard them say Cummings was lying then, and I have never heard them say he is being truthful now - they're just reporting.
They reported what he said then and they are reporting what he says now.
Lots of people took what was reported at the time and thought Cummings was clearly lying - me included - but I don't remember the media spending months telling us Cummings was lying then any more than they are telling us what he is saying is gospel now.
It just feels that way because of what other people say about the media.

Don't know whether to laugh or cry to be honest. So much for all the politicising the virus BS that was so prevalent on these threads. The stream of near hysterical denunciations looks even more silly now than it did at the time.
As for Cummins, has he really told us anything we didn't know already, or has he simply confirmed that much, if not all of what was being suggested by some on here, was in fact absolutely true?
Led by donkeys indeed ?

To some, the cost of a season ticket is already too big an expense at this time, and so the prospect of another poor season of football may make it a bad acquisition. On the other hand, regardless of which league we are in or who the players we have next season, there will be many who can and should buy season tickets. The fans support will be so important next season, particularly to the younger squad members.
I remember the FA Cup against Chorley. It was fairly poor, and the young lads didn’t really stand a chance...but they still tried and deserved our support.
Me and my dad have got ours sorted for next season, to support whoever plays in the black and white. Hopefully there will be some joining us when we’re allowed back in the ground. If others can no longer commit, then they should feel no shame or judgement. Just make sure we can hear you from wherever you are cheering loudly!

Did Wycombe players celebrate then? 

Did Wycombe players celebrate then? 

Did Wycombe players celebrate then? 

Did Wycombe players celebrate then? 

They were only appealing the lesser of the charges they initially accused us of so really don't see this.
 

Yeah, you're dead right ?
 

Come on, that wouldn't even have got a "U" in a maths exam! Yes, the starting and ending points are very similar (worse now), but the bits in the middle hardly compare.

Just over 30 years ago an event occurred that I think all of you would consider to be of greater import than the current struggles of our beloved football club.  In July 1988 the captain of USS Vincennes panicked and let loose 2 surface to air missiles. He brought down an Iranian passenger plane.  290 souls were killed including babes in arms and it is believed, with some justification, that some were conscious as they fell 10,000 feet into the Gulf. Imagine.
Robert Fisk was a proper journalist working for a proper newspaper, The London Times.  He didn’t buy the American versions of events (they changed as evidence changed) and he investigated the story as a good journalist does, using his many contacts in the area.  He wrote a story that destroyed many of the American lies. When it was published all the points contradicting the American versions of events were missing, taken out by Fisk’s editor. What was left was largely anodyne drivel. Fisk left for the Independent. Their gain.
Our match today is, for various reasons, a big story, played in a febrile off field atmosphere and always was going to be - two big clubs with big traditions fallen on hard times; our manager; a takeover; the financial consequences; and the football ones too.  And yet many appear to be surprised by the drivel that is being written about us; and, worse, appear to be believing it; and, worse still, appear to be repeating it, giving it a life of its own.  There are negative comments about the tabloids and the Daily Mail and yet, apparently we’re more than prepared to take as gospel what Craig Hope and others are feeding us.
What do we actually know about the takeover and Erik Alonso’s finances?   Diddly squat is what.  We know Mel has agreed a deal and with whom; we know that’s with the EFL for the owner’s test. That is pretty much it.  And that is all anyone actually knows apart from the 3 parties involved (plus their advisors).  
All the rest is guesswork and rumour, pure and simple. But there are plenty who might want to disrupt us in this week of all weeks.  Mr Chansiri for one.  Might he be Craig Hope’s source? Not beyond the bounds of possibility. 
If a paper like The Times can distort the truth about the death of 290 people why do we accept the word of hacks whose sole aims are to get clicks on an article, names on the stories and followers on twitter?  That’s now a job apparently. We don’t have to help them.
There are times too when not only am I glad that I have no social media presence but I’m also happy not to be a moderator of this board; when I feel so out of sync with my fellow fans that I question my sanity.  This is one of them.  Imagine having to read all the codswallop that’s being spouted in the name of ‘it’s my opinion therefore I’m entitled to express it’. There are very few, I suspect, that would say much of what they have written on these pages to the faces of the players, the manager, coaching staff, recruitment team or our current owner.  There are more than a few contributors to these boards who allegedly espouse treating people with respect, who say they believe that mental health is important (and we have at least two players who have publicly described their own mental health challenges) but who have joined in the general pile on with apparent alacrity. Apparently it’s even worse elsewhere. An opinion is not necessarily correct just because you’re willing to die for it (Oscar Wilde). ‘Chancer’ is the latest adjective being liberally bandied around about a bloke none of us have met and none of us know.  What if he isn’t? Why can’t we give him a chance, if he is, eventually, to take us over? 
We have no say in who runs the club we support.  It is not in ‘our’ gift to choose our next owner whether we like it or not. Never has been. Whether that’s right or wrong is a legitimate point of discussion.  In the meantime we have a team to support and a match to win and a future that will take care of itself, win, lose or draw. And I hope it’s the first of those.

And that’s the problem! Right here!! You slag off Mel because of the position we are in now yet why are we here?! Because he tried to compete against teams with parachute payments. Went about it the wrong way but he tried. Wednesday did exactly the same look where they are. Reading will be the next one, if they don’t get up next season I would then say the red dogs would be next. 
 
Run the club sustainability- no ambition sack the board. Spend money trying to get promotion against teams with more resources - sack the board.
We all need a reset of expectations because ultimately we want a football club to support at the end of the day that we feel connected to, whatever division we are in.

No - the small element on here that seem to take a disproportionate delight in things going wrong for the club - whether that’s poor results that backup their view of the management or issues with the takeover that mean they can crow about how insightful they were. I don’t have any issue with people raising concerns, but people that take more pleasure in being proved right than in the overall good of the club are more than welcome to go forth and multiply.....

I know this wasn't what this topic was about but its not acceptable to just say its not part of his game. Lawrence is the single most frustrating Derby player I've possibly ever seen. You can see when he's on it going forwards he has so much talent to play at a higher level but its things like his attitude in thinking he's not part of the teams defensive efforts that make him a passenger when he's not on it going forwards and worse still a liability to the defensive cause. 

I have no gripe with Mel, obviously things haven't gone to plan and this last 2 seasons it has fallen apart. Who is to say any other owner would have faired any better in his tenure. We've certainly had a few good seasons with him at the helm and a lot of upheaval ,skulduggery , managers along the way.
I have no reason to believe Mel had didn't havethe best intrest of the club and for the most of his tenure poured significant personnel funds to pursue success .We can all criticse ,bad signings bad managers in hindsight but most on hear were raving Rooneys arrival as a player ,Rooney as Manager.And I  Can't remember many moaning about any of the numerous players being bought during the last 5 years.Were a fickle lot but Mel is a ram ,he did his best didn't work out but I take my hat off to him for having a go.

Surely the biggest mistake was sacking McClaren the first time? He was under contract so we would surely have received compensation if Newcastle had appointed him?

Surely the biggest mistake was sacking McClaren the first time? He was under contract so we would surely have received compensation if Newcastle had appointed him?

A life long  Rams fan, who made himself a fortune with his entrepreneurial skills, doing what we all dream of, buying the club they love.
He has invested a large part of his wealth into our club and until this season has maintained us as a stable Championship club capable of challenging for the top 6, personally I will always be grateful to Mel for that.
The sad part for me is how his ownership is ending, with the failure of the AbuDerby takeover, being a major catalyst in our journey towards league 1. If the takeover had completed the January window alone would have put us in mid table.
Mel’s biggest mistake though is on manager recruitment, where he has almost experimented, and chopped and changed , with some bizarre rookie managers and coaches who are not suited to building a squad to get promoted.
I may be unpopular with this view, but if an experienced manager like Warnock, had been appointed early in his ownership, we would now be an established Premier League side and flourishing. It maybe that Colin would have been replaced once promoted.
I really hope we stay up, and Mel can then sit back and watch us storm the league next season........dream on.
UTR.

Mel is just a victim of poor judgement.
I think Mel’s biggest mistake has been trusting the wrong people.
If your people do well, it makes you look good. The people Mel has trusted to oversee things have only made him look bad.
I would say having more football-minded people in the boardroom to offer some perspective would have helped us to avoid this implosion.
I mean no disrespect to our two most recent CEOs, Sam Rush and Stephen Pearce, but from the top down, it sets the tone.
Those two are not football people, they are business and finance people who just happen to work in football.
You only have to watch their interviews for 30 seconds before you start to raise an eyebrow and get an uneasy feeling.
There are not enough people with an appetite for the game driving decisions behind the scenes.
Where are the people who know football and know this division and what it takes to succeed?

So sad for Morris but also sad for the club ,,, ultimately mel has to carry the can no matter how well intentioned ,the club has been brought to the brink of disaster and that’s the bottom line , the balance between profile raising of the club and solid football first decisions has been the downfall, mel wants out now so there is no saving his legacy/ reputation as Derby owner , he will be seen and remembered very negatively by the majority of fans ,, such a shame really as it could have been so so different ??‍♂️

Okay, posts that are critical of Mel Morris' tenure as owner are not taken down.
Posts which contain personal insults of Mel Morris are.
The same applies to other previous or future owners, players, other posters.
How difficult is it to grasp the difference? Quite difficult for some people judging by the number of posts we have taken down in the last twenty four hours.
If in any doubt please re-read the terms and conditions that you agreed to when you joined the message board. If you don't agree with them, you are welcome to find somewhere else to post your personal insults. I hear Twitter aren't too fussy! 

Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
He’s done a lot of good for a lot of people,my family included.

Blame Lawrence for the second.