Millenniumram

4 minutes ago, oodledoodle said:

Best thing about that is we stole the guy responsible for recruitment at Oxford. As soon as he left them, they fly up the table. As soon as he joins us, well. No need to go over it again.

It’s the Derby way!

6 minutes ago, Tamworthram said:

I’d say we still look a reasonable bet to reach the play offs (certainly not far enough off to be writing us off). Then after that, as we all know, it’s a bit of a lottery and to an extent dependent on end of season form.

If you’re suggesting reaching the play offs (which then leaves the door open for achieving “promotion by any means”) is a minimum acceptable level (which I think you are, otherwise you must be saying only top two is acceptable) then it seems harsh to sack the manager when we’re currently only outside of the play off positions on goals scored.

I’d say we still look good to make the playoffs, but not to be promoted in them. It’s not as much of a lottery as people say in my opinion, you have to have the quality to beat top teams in order to win them, and also the mental strength to hold your nerve under the pressure. We don’t look to have either at the moment. 

27 minutes ago, Tamworthram said:

There was a full page interview with McGoldrick in yesterday’s Daily Mail that starts with “David McGoldrick always promised himself he would one day return to Notts County”. I imagine he knew time was running out for him especially if he wanted to make a meaningful contribution and go out in style rather than just limping to the end of his career. So, I suspect it wouldn’t have made any difference who the Derby manager was at that time.

That’s absolutely true, and there was no doubt he was going there once they got promoted, I’m not arguing against that. But he made his decision to leave before that option came up. There has to have been something more in his mind.

27 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said:

You said 'its probably the worst League One in years'. So are you admitting that this is now just hyperbole, to try and make your view look more plausible, that is based on nothing?

You’ve answered your own question - I said probably the worst league one in years. I’m not claiming I’m a league one expert, it’s based on this year being a lot worse than last year.

It’s not an unreasonable view to hold, but then again it’s not like you to not allow anyone to hold an opinion that they can’t prove irrefutably with facts. One of the worst posters on here by a mile

26 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said:

Has McGoldrick said he may have stayed with a different manager or is that just another thing you've made up?

Bolton are further along their rebuilding project.

Oxford spent well over the summer.

Barnsley unlucky not to get promoted last season. 

Why should we definitely be finishing above these 3 teams? Because we get crowds over 25,000?

I'm sure there are plenty of teams in the division that have played more than 16 games together too so have a more cohesive unit. 

I was told by someone who’s got stuff right before that McGoldrick wanted out of Derby, long before Notts County were promoted. The reason why he was so desperate to leave is a mystery, but it’s not out the realms of possibility that the manager who accused him of faking injury might well have been a factor. 

Paul Warne has had over a year now to get to grips with the team. Time is no excuse. Not many managers get that amount of time (as evidenced by the fact he’s already the 8th longest serving manager in the league). 

Oxford did spend well, so why couldn’t we? And don’t give me the EFL restrictions, we still had plenty to spend on wages, and recruited poorly.

Oxford made more changes over the summer than we did, and are currently performing much better. The excuses made for Warne wear me down, they really do. It’s crap, he should be doing much better than he is. we have more than enough quality in this squad to compete.

18 minutes ago, Tamworthram said:

I’d be surprised if top 2 wasn’t the “target” but that isn’t necessarily the same as a minimum acceptable level, which failure to achieve could result in dismissal. Failure to achieve a target doesn’t always have to result in getting the sack. 

I get your point, but I’d then argue that a “minimum acceptable level” should be promotion by any means - be it playoffs or Top Two. Do we look like achieving that under Paul Warne? In my opinion we do not, and he should be dismissed whilst there’s still them for another manager to achieve that.

11 minutes ago, Tamworthram said:

That’s your opinion and there are clearly some poor teams (some of whom we haven’t performed well against) but, whilst there are teams like Bolton, Barnsley and Portsmouth in the league I don’t think we can really expect to dominate as easily as you seem to think.

None of them should be as good as us. We have more than enough quality to outperform them, even if they are better than the rest of the crap in this league. In any case, it’s not even the games against those that are costing us, it’s games against the likes of Stevenage and Shrewsbury that are.

4 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said:

How many seasons did you regularly watch League One matches prior to us being in the division out of interest?

Just wondering what you are basing your opinion on.

 

I’ve seen enough of league one over the past two seasons to know the quality in it is absolutely dire. And it’s even worse this season compared to last season.

What it was like before we were in it isn’t particularly relevant anyway. The point is it’s f****** dreadful right now, and it’s getting worse. I’d be very surprised if it’s been this bad in the last 10 years based on the difference between this season and last season.

17 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said:

Of course that's the aim but might not necessarily the target that Clowes has set Warne.

Not sure why you think we should be comfortably in the top 2, what are you basing that on? We finished 7th last season and lost our best player.

The Pearson comparison is ridiculous, he has us sat in the bottom 3, not one place outside the play offs.

It’s clearly not the target he’s set Warne, otherwise he wouldn’t still be here. My argument is that Clowes is being too lenient and top two SHOULD be the target.

We underperformed last season as well (due to poor management), so can’t really use that as a barometer. Agree we lost our best player in McGoldrick (may not have done with a different manager in charge), but we still had a healthy budget and brought in numerous players with Championship experience. Coupled with a much weaker division without Ipswich and Sheffield Wednesday, and I can’t see two teams who should be expecting to finish above us.

12 minutes ago, Tamworthram said:

I don’t think you can seriously compare our status in league 1 with Man City’s in the premier league or our cup exits to them falling at the first hurdle in the Champions League. If we could demonstrate the dominance in the lower leagues that they have in the PL (won it 5 out of the last 6 seasons. Only finished outside of the top 2 twice in the last fifteen seasons) you might well have a case.

The point is we SHOULD be as dominant as them this season in this league. As I’ve emphasised many times, it’s truly f****** awful. The gap between this and the championship is huge. It’s probably the worst league one in years, we absolutely should be dominating it with the quality at our disposal.

12 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said:

If the aim is to make the play offs at the very least then I think only and idiot, or some of the posters on here, would sack the manager at this stage of the season when we are in the play off places if we win our game in hand.

And to be honest, I don't really care if all football owners agree with me or not, ultimately its their money and their call. Not sure football owners have any more knowledge than the fans, look what happened when Mel Morris fired Paul Clement and what is happening this season at Birmingham for 2 good of examples why club owners do not always know best...

The aim shouldn’t be to make the playoffs, that’s the point - it should be to make the top 2. I agree if we were in this position last season, in a much tougher position where top 6 was the aim, but the quality this season is god awful, and we should be comfortably top 2 come the seasons end.

If we gave managers a full season like you suggest we have to, we’d have left Nigel Pearson in charge and got relegated in 2017. Sounds like a great plan.

14 minutes ago, Tamworthram said:

You’ll no doubt be able to find a couple of rare examples but I’m not sure many sane football owners would think about sacking the manager when the team, at this stage of the season, is sitting outside of the play off positions on goals scored alone even if the bookies did had the team as favourites for auto’s.

There’s certainly some examples out there, though how sane you take the owners is of course up for debate. We scaled Clement while in 5th, McClaren after finishing 8th. Birmingham sacked Eustace in 6th. Not saying any of those are the correct decision - but the main point is, the end of the season isn’t the only time you can judge a manager.

For what it’s worth - I prefer to look at it this way. Manchester City are favourites for the Premier League title. If they found themselves in 7th place, and out of the champions league in the group stage (roughly equivalent to our FA cup and League cup first round exits), would Guardiola be under pressure? Even with his incredible record, I think questions would be being asked. And Warne hasn’t built up anywhere near the same level of respect.

2 minutes ago, Tyler Durden said:

 

Ah the classic, “that’s your opinion” argument that’s always rolled out when someone doesn’t have anything proper to say back. I could make exactly the same point about your opinion that Warne is doing a good job, but I won’t because it’s stupid and defeats the object of a forum.

And it’s not a veiled criticism at all. I’m happy to say, outright, that I do not believe David Clowes is doing a very good job at running Derby County at present. That’s not a criticism of the man, who will always be a hero for saving the club, but a criticism of his decision making. Im not calling for his head, of course not, but he’s not immune from debate. 

Replacing a young, likeable, tactically astute coach in Rosenior with a footballing dinosaur in Paul Warne, who it is now clear is not capable of managing a big club and is personally disliked by a growing portion of the fanbase, appears now to be an absolute disasterclass of a decision, almost out the Mel Morris book. That sounds harsh, and it is, because we can only see this now with the benefit of hindsight - at the time it looked a good move based on Warne’s track record, so I do feel for Clowes, I really do. But he HAS to bite the bullet and correct his mistake. Another two years of this and we’ll still be in the godforsaken league, with dwindling crowds and an ever weakening squad. Warne has it way too comfortable at the moment, which his performance does not deserve.

The lack of clear vision is also concerning. We’ve brought in aging old players, and have shown no desire at all to give academy prospects a chance. Our recruitment does not appear to have improved since Morris either, with players like Bradley and Washington taking a significant portion of the budget and contributing precious little. 

All in all, a sub par performance as chairman so far I’m afraid.

5 hours ago, G STAR RAM said:

Which, coincidentally, is also known as a point of the season where nothing has been decided, ever, in the history of football.

Ah, so we have to give Paul Warne the entire season then, irrespective of how we’re performing at any midway point? Righto. I’m sure all football owners agree with you, and no manager has ever been sacked for poor performance mid season.

12 hours ago, Tyler Durden said:

I didn't realise promotion was guaranteed after a third of the league season has been played, you and 3 other forum members it seems are also firm in this belief 😅

Missing the point entirely as usual. Nothing is decided at this point, but it’s a pretty decent sample size for how the team is performing compared with expectations.

We were favourites for the league title. We currently find ourselves 7th, 9 points off the top. That isn’t good enough, and shows Paul Warne is doing a poor job as manager. 16 games is enough to judge that this job is too big for him and sack him. In not doing so, Clowes is making almost as big a mistake as appointing him in the first place.

43 minutes ago, Tyler Durden said:

We've played 16 games FGS

Also known as over a third of the season

You got me excited there!

Bamford

2 hours ago, Srg said:

This is a cracking copy paste job from one your fave bookmarked websites.

Has anyone made old Ben do one of those “I’m not a robot” checks?

Reckon if we all pretend he’s good Rotherham might buy him back?

Bringing on Bradley when you’re 3-1 down has got to be a sackable offence 

Embarrassed by Crewe not just once, but twice in the space of 10 days.

Paul Warne taking Derby County to new lows

Back to business as usual then?

It’s 5 subs but you’re only allowed 3 windows. So he could, and in my opinion should, have put Weston on at the same time as Sibley.

f****** hell, that’s horrific news… one of my personal hero’s on the forum, always positive even through our darkest days.

May you rest in peace B4. And I hope we get promoted this season for you, more than anyone else.

Thought we were a little lucky to be in the lead at half time, but we absolutely battered them second half. Best 45 mins this season in my opinion, considering the quality of the opposition. Much more like the level of dominance I expect us to exert in this league.

Only moan is it should’ve been 6 really. Some of our finishing… wow it was bad. That needs to be better in tighter games!