SamUltraRam

First game we lose is a 3 points penalty.  Looking at our squad that looks like the greater certainty

https://www.dcfc.co.uk/news/2021/07/efl-welcome-lifting-of-restrictions
I saw this headline & got all excited - assuming it meant our transfer embargo !!

I’ll be there, it’s still better and cheaper than going shopping with the missus 

I will give up all three if the bloody misery on certain forums gets any worse, thank goodness we didnt have social media in the 80s .
 

Unless that advantage was being one of the top 3 spenders on wages in each of the seasons being looked at we haven’t pished it anywhere.
We’ve ran an (unsustainable) wage bill that has probably ranged from top 4 to top 10 in the division and have more often than not been a top 6 team in that time period. Few unlucky defeats in play off games to teams that have spent more than us / have gamed the system to a greater extent than we have (delete as appropriate) has meant we haven’t gone up, so be it. When football comes down to one off games it can at times be luck based and that’s why we all love it. We’ve now tightened that wage bill, understandably, but I get the feeling that won’t or indeed hasn’t stopped you moaning that we will be less competitive in the league now.
Don’t think we are “victims” as such but it is curious that just winning one of those set of play offs would see our strategy highlighted as a great success story and have fans of other clubs saying “wow look how well Derby are run” like you see from some on here re. Leeds, Villa, Wolves, Bournemouth and so on.
Unfortunately by not going up due to these fine margins we have found ourselves in the cross hairs of the EFL who’s rules are so clear that they are now seeking to change or clarify the rules that supposedly found us guilty. We are not victims of other teams cheating, in my opinion, but we have been victim of the EFL going on a crusade after the football club and creating a narrative that we are the villains of football with their vindictive, unclear statements and obvious leaks to the press.
Yesterday’s news should have been celebrated across football, that no precedent was set to retrospectively relegate a team for off field matters that were signed off for three years by an organisation that didn’t understand their own rules. I get the feeling it wasn’t though, because a narrative has been created that if you push spending limits and do not get promoted, you are worse than those who push limits and do.

Shouldn't that be gofu*kme

Spare a thought for Morecambe, who are now unable to sell their £80mil stadium. They should have taken the opportunity quickly when it was revealed that the EFL's 'expert' valued it the same last year.

Taken from a post on the Wycombe messageboard today
"For what it's worth, a friend of mine who has friends within Derby's first team squad tells me they are all very concerned. The club aren't telling them anything, most of them think they're destined for League One this summer as a result and, given most of them have contracts which include significant pay cuts for relegation, they're almost in open mutiny. Wayne Rooney is being kept away from media over the Euros as they don't want him getting questions on Derby's plight..."

Taken from a post on the Wycombe messageboard today
"For what it's worth, a friend of mine who has friends within Derby's first team squad tells me they are all very concerned. The club aren't telling them anything, most of them think they're destined for League One this summer as a result and, given most of them have contracts which include significant pay cuts for relegation, they're almost in open mutiny. Wayne Rooney is being kept away from media over the Euros as they don't want him getting questions on Derby's plight..."

Meanwhile Manchester United pay £73m for a single player and the football authorities cannot see what the problem is. 

Previous seasons I would agree with you but I do think this summer players will have to take lower wages to secure moves as pretty much all EFL clubs except the parachute funded ones will be cutting costs with no income from last season. 
So we may actually find ourselves in a position to compete with other Champ clubs even under and embargo if we can get the other off field uncertainty sorted. As a club we're still a big club to join at this level for many players.

I'm going to stand on my doorstep and clap.
(sorry if that's a little too political)

Why are some folk so unable, unwilling or both, to assimilate a few simple facts concerning these charges? It's no small wonder that fans from other clubs have a poor opinion of us now, when some of our own fans, who ought to be better informed, are themselves the first to jump on any sniff of perceived wrongdoing. What possible benefit is there in wilfully ignoring what we know to be true in favour presupposing guilt at every corner? We've even got folk using the fact that we've not submitted the new accounts inside 48 hours as the latest stick with which to thrash the club. It simply beggars belief.
For the umpteenth time, there were two charges; one related to the valuation of our stadium and was summarily dismissed by the DC; the other related to our amortisation policy which was signed off on and approved under legal accounting standards by independent auditors, the auditors regulatory body, the DC and the ducking EFL themselves, the latter several times over a period of years. The amortisation policy charge was also initially dismissed by the DC for the aforementioned reasons. This left the EFL so desperate to save face that they appealed the decision, the outcome of which was predicted by myself and numerous others on this very thread: a small fine in order to secure the token win they need to maintain any ducking credibility at all AND NO POINTS DEDUCTION. 
At this point, I very much doubt that even the EFL will be willing to risk further embarrassment. They can kid themselves this paltry fine vindicates two years of unwarranted charges and appeals and get back to their principal role as lapdogs to Sky and the Premiership whilst paying themselves inflated salaries for doing so. As for the DC, I strongly suspect that they only agreed to what is a nominal fine in order to save the EFL from falling into further disrepute and to allow us to finally emerge from under an endless series of unfair and damaging embargos and to prevent the EFL from continuing what has become a spiteful and unwarranted campaign against a club whose chairman quite rightly questioned their business acumen. In doing so, they have vindicated Mel's opinion in spades, though the crushing irony of this has unsurprisingly escaped the EFL's notice and who will doubtless be celebrating spending millions to secure a £100k fine for their members' coffers.
If, as I strongly suspect, the EFL do not appeal this sanction, I think we will 'be the bigger man' and simply take the £100k hit in order to allow us to return to football matters rather than spending every waking hour addressing the embittered ramblings and actions of a so-called professional body that seems more intent on undermining its membership than serving it. 

True. But every now and then I wonder that too. There must be someone with brains in the EFL? They've got the fine for the accounting 'technicality' and they have us resubmitting - which will surely then show 'everyone' whether we played by the rules (as they were then, inc. selling the stadium and correctly accounting for it, being allowed)?!

Of course, if we hadn't been so utterly useless in the last 15 games of the season, we wouldn't be worrying about an immediate modest points deduction

Of course, if we hadn't been so utterly useless in the last 15 games of the season, we wouldn't be worrying about an immediate modest points deduction

Of course, if we hadn't been so utterly useless in the last 15 games of the season, we wouldn't be worrying about an immediate modest points deduction

Of course, if we hadn't been so utterly useless in the last 15 games of the season, we wouldn't be worrying about an immediate modest points deduction

I heard Billy Davies was leading a consortium, but he changed his mind because he DISNEY want to come back down South. 

Leicester and Luck - do not mention Leicester and Luck in the same sentance to me
 
I still cannot for the life of me understand why Ewan Roberts was not sent off, arrested and done for assault ?

Just to put things into perspective, last season Leeds won automatic promotion without parachute payments and the season before Sheffield United did it.
I agree that promotion is often the relegated clubs to lose but sometimes when they stick with their old manager, or sack their manager and make a bad appointment , it gives other clubs a chance

100% this.
The sentiment of the OP is totally right but its like complaining about the weather - its totally futile as we have to operate within the system that we find ourselves in. It ain't changing. What is obvious is that in a division artificially skewed by parachute payments, fighting them on a financial basis (particularly with a FFP handicap) is lunacy.
Leeds, Sheff Utd & Norwich (previous time) got up without parachute payments & without exceeding FFP limits - the thing that linked all 3 was a) a well established & consistent pattern of play, b) recruitment totally geared to that style & c) managers with a vision who were backed by their respective owners. All 3 clubs had serious wobbles on their way up but stuck with the project & are now reaping the financial rewards.
Its obviously tough but this isn't a closed shop - we just need to be much much smarter & more strategic in the way we go about our business. We need an edge.

Just to put things into perspective, last season Leeds won automatic promotion without parachute payments and the season before Sheffield United did it.
I agree that promotion is often the relegated clubs to lose but sometimes when they stick with their old manager, or sack their manager and make a bad appointment , it gives other clubs a chance

If true, I think selling 11,000 season tickets last season is pretty good in the pandemic
On the flipside, that's potentially 11,000 whose money they've already had and so won't be paying in next season ?

I put this in another thread but I was told recently by someone in the tickets office that they are waiting until the FA directs them as to how many are allowed in before deciding their policy. They had sold around 11k for the season just ended and I guess have to work out whether to honour those this season and therefore not sell any more if only one third capacity is allowed, or refund and start from scratch if more are etc etc 
But until they know what they are dealing with they are holding out. It makes sense to be fair.