Mick Harford

Seriously, this is a magnificent book if you are a) A Derby fan and/or b) a Kit saddo it brought back so many memories looking at the different shirts and remembering incidents I remember in them, plus the additional information about why and how for shirts is amazing.

Fiver in the post to me now @loweman2?

Derby 2-1 Hudds

FRGS Lawrence 

Found the RD interview pretty interesting, more because of what was not said than what was said.

My take on it, my thoughts after I've looked at what is in the public domain.

I posted a while back about what I'd heard re: an American consortium taking over, I have heard nothing to suggest that this is no longer the case.

I've experience of dealing with due diligence for American companies, and boy do they love an NDA personally I've signed around a dozen, and what Mel couldn't talk of last night leads me (hopes) to believe that the silence through official channels is as a result of an NDA between Mel/DCFC and the consortium. The NDA between the club and bidders will also be separate and differ to the one between Mel and the fans groups last night.

I understand that a  lot of us are upset/frustrated/disappointed/angry and it's only human nature to want to point the finger and find someone to blame, but I'm hoping that it's more a question of cannot rather than will not when it comes to the lack of direct engagement with the fanbase.

I'd also suggest that the consortium are waiting for the accounts and actual level of debt to be finalised before moving forward, as I understand the accounts have to be submitted at latest in 13 days, so I reckon that it's more end of month/transfer window rather than start of season before we see proper movement.

I know we all want answers ASAP, but it might just be a question of wait out on this and when there is news then there is news.

I'd also ask that we remember what we have in common, that we are all Derby and want the best for the club, my view is that sniping at each other, different groups, posters and dismissing with terms such as wrist slashers or happy clappers does nothing good bar possibly making you feel better for a few second., Whilst people may have a different view debate is good, sarcasm, anger abuse in my view is not. I feel the club, with the dire straights we are in, need the fanbase to step up show why we are amongst the best in the country and support the club, manager and players during what is going to be a testing season.

Jesus, I've rambled a lot for a post that is just my opinion and not fact. Sorry.

COYR

3 minutes ago, Jram said:

Where’s Buchanan???

Slight muscle problem, like McDonald.

What a fantastic header by Cashin!!

1 hour ago, Carl Sagan said:

 

In the modern game it's brutal but you have to be heightist with keepers. Given was probably the shortest to play in the Premier League, yet we wasted our time with Mitchell who was a couple of inches shorter still. It seems Foulkes has signed, so I hope he's at least over 1.86m (6 foot 1).

Clive Baker at 5'9" when he played for Ipswich is I think the smallest in the PL era, as you say though Given was on the smaller side for a keeper especially as when he was coming through there was a rush of getting giant Scandinavian keepers in for cheap. I'm the same age group as Given and 5' 10 1/2" and was told at 17 that I was too small and was released from a league club, my best mate who was at Derby at the same time was a bit smaller than me and was also released albeit a year later.

You have to be pretty special to be on the shorter side and make it, eg. Given, Casillas.

6 minutes ago, Spanish said:

I don’t believe we are discussing admin?

I have no definitive idea as to the other sanctions I'm afraid then, seem to remember it's a straight line 1 point per Million over P&S and also seem to remember that they are applied immediately 'in season' with no cut off date.

Hopefully we will have admitted the accounts at least by February ?

1 hour ago, Ravabeerbelly said:

Someone more knowledgable than me may know this but at what point would a points deduction be something that was implemented next season (as in 2022/23)?

Has it occurred to anyone that this squad could finish bottom 3 and a points deduction could take place in league 1 making a relegation to 2 a possibility? 

Basically depends on when the administration occurs and where the team finishes in the table.

Prior to the 4th Thursday in March then the hit applies that season.

After that date, if you would have been relegated anyway (regardless of possible points deduction) then hit applies the following season.

If you stayed up t(regardless of poss points deduction) then it applies that season.

https://www.efl.com/-more/governance/efl-rules--regulations/section-3---the-league/

Quote

 

12.2  If a Group Undertaking of a Club becomes subject to or suffers an Insolvency Event, then the Board shall have the power to impose upon the Club a deduction of 12 points scored or to be scored in the League Competition. In exercising this power the Board shall have regard to all the circumstances of the case and to:

12.2.1  such of the provisions of the Insolvency Act, the Competition Act 1998 and the Enterprise Act 2002 as are relevant and then in force;

12.2.2  the need to protect the integrity and continuity of the League Competition;

12.2.3  the reputation of The League and the need to promote the game of association football generally; and

12.2.4  the relationship between the Club and the Group Undertaking.

12.3  Subject to the provisions of Regulation 12.4 below, where the Club becomes subject to or suffers an Insolvency Event, or the Board impose a deduction in accordance with Regulation 12.2:

12.3.1  during the Normal Playing Season but prior to 5.00pm on the fourth Thursday in March, the points deduction shall apply immediately;

12.3.2  during the Normal Playing Season but after 5.00pm on the fourth Thursday in March, Regulation 12.4 shall apply; and

12.3.3  outside the Normal Playing Season, the points deduction shall apply in respect of the following Season such that the Club starts that Season on minus 12 points (including in the National League if appropriate).

12.4  Where the circumstances set out in Regulation 12.3.2 apply and at the end of that Season, having regard to the number of championship points awarded (ignoring any potential deduction):

12.4.1  the Club would be relegated in accordance with Regulation 10.1.2(b) or 7.7, the points deduction will apply in the next following Season (including in the National League if appropriate); or

12.4.2  the Club would not be relegated as aforesaid, the points deduction will apply in that Season and Regulation 10.1.2(b) or 7.7 will then apply (if appropriate) following imposition of the points deduction.

12.5  For the avoidance of doubt, where a Club and/or Group Undertaking is subject to more than one of the procedures in Regulation 12.1 above during a process of compromising creditors (for example Administration followed by a Company Voluntary Arrangement), the Club shall only be deducted one set of 12 points, such deduction to apply with effect from the first Insolvency Event.

 

3 minutes ago, angieram said:

Thanks, Mick. It makes sense that he is gradually getting his coaching qualifications alongside his management role.

I may have the specifics wrong, but he's working on a course it may be the FA Level 3 (UEFA B) or the FA Level 4 (UEFA A) that he's doing, and the Player2coach seems to be a BAME course, but had dinner with a St. Georges Park coach last week who is a friend of Waynes and he told me that he will have the badge required for the Champ by Christmas and it was an accelerated course like the Player2Coach scheme.

Going to add this into the original post now before someone picks me up on it ?

28 minutes ago, chadlad said:

As far as I am aware Wayne Rooney has no coaching qualifications. Why then is he the Manager of DCFC when there are plenty of more qualified people and more experienced people who are already employed by the club. Mclaren, Rosenior, Wassell and Walker are all better qualified and in all probability would do a better job.

The best thing for the club would be for Wayne to walk away, if this isn’t an option gardening leave is probably the best option.

 

He's currently doing his B Licence under the Player2Coach initiative, will have his UEFA B by end of year.

*Edit 

I may have the specifics wrong, but he's working on a course it may be the FA Level 3 (UEFA B) or the FA Level 4 (UEFA A) that he's doing, and the Player2coach seems to be a BAME course, but had dinner with a St. Georges Park coach last week who is a friend of Waynes and he told me that he will have the badge required for the Champ by Christmas and it was an accelerated course like the Player2Coach scheme.

Moot point

11 minutes ago, Phoenix said:

Does this imply that they'll only buy if we stay in the Championship, or they'll buy but pay less if we're relegated?

Not explicitly mentioned but given that it's suggested that Rooney walks if we are demoted I would assume that it all hinges on being a Championship club this season, given that the parties involved are all close to Wayne. Although that is my interpretation of what I've been told.

For what it's worth there is confidence that we will not be demoted.

Take this as it's meant, this has come via two pretty influential figures in DCFC history over the past 30 years, not claiming to be ITK and am just repeating what I've been told from sources that I rate highly.

Been told today that it is a Washington DC based consortium/investors that are behind the bid for the club, knew Rooney when he played for DC United, and are just waiting to see which division we are in next season, it's expected to be the Championship.  Led to believe that one of the investors is an agent.

IF we are relegated then Rooney walks, that is not thought to be expected though.

All ready to go and waiting on the EFL appeal and conformation of Championship status.

No idea of money to spend, but given the past few years spending then maybe that doesn't really matter and frugality could be the key.

5 minutes ago, Mucker1884 said:

The election bumf shows "Eric".

The No Limits statement is signed by "Erik".

I can understand the confusion with the Sheikh's identity, what with their royal family all having the same name, but jeez, you'd think it'd be a bit easier with our fellow Europeans!

#TUT!  

 

 

Eric is the name stated on the Companies House director list:

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/12971781/officers

Just now, therealhantsram said:

Thank you.

Cannot get the screengrab to load, I'll try it again though:

[img]https://i.imgur.com/ZQ2FG7u.png[/img]

But yeah, it's the same bloke with full name and DOB

4 minutes ago, therealhantsram said:

Can anyone tell me where this idea of him being 'openly far right' has come from? 
 

I have googled it, and the only things I can find are gossip on OwlsTalk and Twitter - with nothing to substantiate it.

 

@David - tagging you in case you think this part of the thread needs removing for legal reasons.

He literally stood as a Senate candidate for the far-right VOX party in Spain who run on an anti-immigrant, anti-feminist, anti-gay, authoritarian platform.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/ZQ2FG7u.png[/img]

https://elecciones.lacronicabadajoz.com/resultados-elecciones/generales/senado/la-rioja/la-rioja/hervias.html

MInes gone as well

Is this a new one? I cannot keep up.

5 minutes ago, Carnero said:

Croat international goalkeeper, John Gregory was after him around the same time as Yakubu.

Eric Steele tells a good story about going to scout him for Villa and how all transfers from Croatia had to go through a 'Mr. Big' and what they offered Eric as hospitality (Eric, being an utter gent refused obviously)

Ray Houghton was rumoured to be coming here from Oxford, for some reason chose Liverpool instead.

Carlos Valderama trained at the Ramarena although unsure if he was ever a realistic signing.

Lubos Kubik,  and Ivo Knoflicek as some form of insane Maxwell deal.

Rather pleased that we didn't get Jason Steele last season.