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The problem is that watching games seems to instill no more a sense in some of what actually happened than listening to Radio Derby!

Who are you referring to as doubters?
I really don't think you'll find anyone who doesn't think that Warne provides the best chance for us to get up this season or next and avoid the trap of being stuck in League One for multiple years. You may find 1 or 2 at a push who still actively don't want him as the manager, but they would massively be outliers.
That doesn't mean that anyone providing any sort of critique (which I must point out as I often do, is not the same as criticism) of his and the team's performances, or anyone puts them into a wider context - aside from the usual "well we're lucky to still have a club" whimpering - should effectively be told to shut the f*** up.
(I mean, we are lucky, but that stage is over and done with; we've been able to assemble a squad which has enough quality and nearly enough depth to stand a real chance of going straight back up)
This happened under Rooney too - the focus was so much on the position we found ourselves in that any real discussion about his future potential as a manager, any talk of his shortcomings was as welcome as the proverbial fart in a lift. When he left a fair few posters went on to let out their frustration - almost as if they didn't dare voice them earlier - which had the effect of making them look like hypocrites and turncoats.
This whole thread (actually that's not fair, it's only after a certain point) seems to be designed to shame anyone who isn't singing Warne-centric hymns at full-voice with the rest of the choir, whether they believe in him or not.
It's all a bit cultish, or one letter off that.

Only ever heard bad things. Described by a West Brom supporter last season as the most useless centre forward he'd ever seen play for the club and it being a complete mystery why he was getting picked ahead of others when the team needed goals (and they had someone better on the bench)
Actually that's the only thing I've ever heard, and from a West Brom fan.
He'll probably turn up here and bag 15 goals as we remain undefeated for the rest of the season and go on a 12 match winning run to close it out.

I gave the appropriate credit where due. We work harder than others and we have more quality.
As for other teams failure to get back up, you'd have to ask their fans.
At a guess, unlike us they were relegated because they didn't have a very good team, big squads, wages too high and a lot of deadwood that needed clearing out before they could move forward, while carrying a lot of negative energy from the relegation season.
We on the other hand pretty much had a fresh start. Despite all the s*** that went down, last season was one of unity, fighting against the odds - we've carried a fair bit of that  through to this season.
Even with our restrictions we still had the ability to bring in players most teams in the division wouldn't be able to afford the wages of.
Not that other teams failures are even relevant - League One in 2022/23 isn't the same league they were playing in. It's changed a lot since the teams mentioned came down.
What people expected it to be like and what it's actually like are miles apart. Instead of big strong physical teams trying to kick us to bits us and aerially bombard our backline most teams actually try to play football now - it's just that they're not very good at it! 
We were warned that teams would be desperate to beat us and up their game to suit... well they bloody haven't. 
Why did we slip up at Charlton & Lincoln? A failure to take multiple chances (if we had a fit McGoldrick it may have been a different matter) and a team who were fitter than one who started the season 2 weeks behind everyone and we're trying to bed in a whole new squad during a busy schedule of games, perhaps? 
Point stands, we're doing very well, but not really a great deal more than we should expect when you actually look at the league for what it is.

Just using your post as a jumping off point rather than it being an argument against what you posted ?

I gave the appropriate credit where due. We work harder than others and we have more quality.
As for other teams failure to get back up, you'd have to ask their fans.
At a guess, unlike us they were relegated because they didn't have a very good team, big squads, wages too high and a lot of deadwood that needed clearing out before they could move forward, while carrying a lot of negative energy from the relegation season.
We on the other hand pretty much had a fresh start. Despite all the s*** that went down, last season was one of unity, fighting against the odds - we've carried a fair bit of that  through to this season.
Even with our restrictions we still had the ability to bring in players most teams in the division wouldn't be able to afford the wages of.
Not that other teams failures are even relevant - League One in 2022/23 isn't the same league they were playing in. It's changed a lot since the teams mentioned came down.
What people expected it to be like and what it's actually like are miles apart. Instead of big strong physical teams trying to kick us to bits us and aerially bombard our backline most teams actually try to play football now - it's just that they're not very good at it! 
We were warned that teams would be desperate to beat us and up their game to suit... well they bloody haven't. 
Why did we slip up at Charlton & Lincoln? A failure to take multiple chances (if we had a fit McGoldrick it may have been a different matter) and a team who were fitter than one who started the season 2 weeks behind everyone and we're trying to bed in a whole new squad during a busy schedule of games, perhaps? 
Point stands, we're doing very well, but not really a great deal more than we should expect when you actually look at the league for what it is.

A shining example, provided in mere seconds. Cheers!

Can hear the old whiners in the crowd now
SPRINGETT FORWARD!!!

Can hear the old whiners in the crowd now
SPRINGETT FORWARD!!!

He's been working on his long range shooting for a long time. He specifically called out Lampard as a driving force in doing extra sessions after training here:
https://www.dcfc.co.uk/news/2019/03/bird-eager-to-keep-improving-after-signing-new-contract
In the same interview, he also says he planned to return for the 19/20 season fitter and stronger. An approach he's been taking every season. 
Warne didn't wave a magic wand. Bird is very self motivated

Broadly agree, but...
2019/20
Minutes: 1910, Shots: 10 (5 from outside of the box)
A shot every 191 minutes  (every 382 from outside)
2020-21
Minutes: 2066, Shots 18 (10 from outside of the box)
A shot every 115 minutes (every 207 from outside)
2021/22
Minutes: 3617, Shots: 35 (27 from outside of the box)
A shot every 103 minutes (every 134 from outside)
2022/23
Minutes: 2140, Shots:  17 (11 from outside of the box)
A shot every 126 minutes (every 195 from outside)
Granted 'outside of the box' doesn't differentiate between 18 and 80 yards (he may well only ever have hit them from 34 yards out or below before Saturday) but this idea that gets floated about quite regularly about Bird not being allowed to shoot or play it forward under previous managers is a bit of a myth.
Bird is improving, Warne is helping of course (and it isn't all about shots), but the clamour to attribute absolutely everything positive to some step change brought about by the management of Warne is something else.

Can hear the old whiners in the crowd now
SPRINGETT FORWARD!!!

I just asked a Norwich fan about him and his answer
"Hugill is an absolute monster and great in the dressing room, just gutted Norwich never really gave him a chance. Reading are interested and he is definitely a championship standard player, so of Derby did get him it would be some signing"

A good egg as a person according to my carrot crunching mate. No moaning supports the squad. Career seems to have been on the decline hopefully a bit left in the tank at L1 level. Choice between relegation fight in the Champ or pushing for promotion in L1. Would give Collins some competition. 

Can hear the old whiners in the crowd now
SPRINGETT FORWARD!!!

The pudding has officially been over-egged.

17 games undefeated says that's true, but honestly there's a difference between being tough to beat and coming up against opposition utterly incapable of exploiting your weaknesses and taking advantage of your mistakes, which has often been the case in this league.
We still give away plenty of chances. If a better team than Cheltenham (lowest scorers in the league and we gave them 2 goals) took the same approach as Cheltenham did against us we'd have problems. But they don't. You could almost call some of our games in this run uncontested such has been the lack of threat posed by many of the opposition we've faced.
Defensively, it's amazing the number of teams who simply can't cope with someone running at them.
It's probably a bit of both with us, because you can't fluke it for that many games, but the main thing is we score enough (the actual quality we possess is above League One standard) and work hard enough (not always a given) to cover most shortcomings.
We've been very fortunate with the fixture scheduling, never really had a tough 3-4 game run, enabling us to build up a rather useful amount of confidence and momentum, which hopefully will see us take the next step up to beat other top 6 contenders in league matches.

17 games undefeated says that's true, but honestly there's a difference between being tough to beat and coming up against opposition utterly incapable of exploiting your weaknesses and taking advantage of your mistakes, which has often been the case in this league.
We still give away plenty of chances. If a better team than Cheltenham (lowest scorers in the league and we gave them 2 goals) took the same approach as Cheltenham did against us we'd have problems. But they don't. You could almost call some of our games in this run uncontested such has been the lack of threat posed by many of the opposition we've faced.
Defensively, it's amazing the number of teams who simply can't cope with someone running at them.
It's probably a bit of both with us, because you can't fluke it for that many games, but the main thing is we score enough (the actual quality we possess is above League One standard) and work hard enough (not always a given) to cover most shortcomings.
We've been very fortunate with the fixture scheduling, never really had a tough 3-4 game run, enabling us to build up a rather useful amount of confidence and momentum, which hopefully will see us take the next step up to beat other top 6 contenders in league matches.

Nothing, obviously. ?
The answer is already in the question, depends on the scenario. If it's the 6th minute of 7 added on, you're trying to hold onto a narrow lead but an opposition player gets in behind your defence then obviously you'd rather someone hack them down outside the box and get a red than allow them into your penalty area.
The reverse of that is what we saw away at Huddersfield last season where Stearman got himself sent off early on - it would have been better to have been a goal down that a man down, one is a recoverable situation, the other isn't.
A red can give a manager an excuse but it's not really much of an endorsement of their skills if giving them fewer options is seen as a good thing.
 

I absolutely understand those who wanted Rosenior to stay and succeed, and I understand that some people were sceptical about Warne.
What the recent performances show is that patience is a virtue. Warne has now had some time to get to know the squad and players at his disposal. Partly through circumstance and partly through his own and his coaching team’s ability they have settled on a formation and style of play that works rather than their early intentions to replicate the tactics and formation that had worked for them previously, and they’re getting a tune out of the squad with players seemingly fitter and effective in their roles.
Further to that the players have had chance to adjust and settle, for anyone who claimed a couple of months back that as professional footballers they didn’t need that time I would say the evidence is clear now that they did. Watch any recent interview with members of the playing staff and there are clear comments about them now getting how “the gaffer” wants them to play. Similar to Ten Hag at Manure, early days they had a few pastings and now they’re doing well. 
I suppose my point is, we’re in a good moment now having had that time to adjust, and if we lose a couple it doesn’t mean the wheels have come off. It’s a marathon not a sprint, what matters is where we are at the finish line in May so enjoy the good moments and don’t get too down if and when we have a wobble. ? 

I think dispensing with 3 at the back and wing backs, which we all knew didn’t suit our players, is what has made the difference. At least he saw it and didn’t pig-headedly persist with it, as many other managers would have done, which is to his credit. I’m enjoying it all at the moment. 

Very rare any managerial appointment will be universally welcomed. Same with player signings.
If you criticise people for not backing Warne from day 1, you must have a squeaky clean track record for backing every manager appointed and signing made.
I don't think any of us have one of those.
Having doubts over Warne's style of football and Rooney's experience for example really isn't any different. 
Doubts are doubts, nothing wrong with having doubts. 

Just something I felt I needed to do and something I am used too. 
But I will try be a little bit more considerate.
But I still like to stand up.

Another day, another ref Forsyth gets a red. We take decisions that go for us for granted but moan a lot about stuff that doesn’t go our way. Nature of being a biased football fan.
Ref was OK first half, messed up with the May free kick when he could have asserted authority on where he put the spray down and the additional yardage the throwers were getting was ridiculous… but then we should be more streetwise and have done the same especially as Sibs can’t throw it more than about ten yards.
Second half he started to lose control a little more but thankfully IMO he go no big decisions wrong and he didn’t make a call/no call which cost either team the game. We have certainly had a lot worse this year than that.
 

poor finishing and too many subs caused squeaky bum time when we were in total control.good 3 points in the end,but should have been so much easier