Ghost of Clough

Lawrence since joining:
17/18 - 14 goals/assists (39 apps)
18/19 - 10 goals/ assists (33 apps)
19/20 - 14 goals/assists (37 apps)
20/21 - 5 goals/assists (23 apps)
Why are you judging him on 1 season?
He gained 5 goal contributions in the final 8 games - that's not someone I'd be looking to replace, especially as the team only scored 10 goals in that period.

I'm fairly certain the rules don't say it should be a points deduction in the 20/21 season.
In fact, the punishment is down to whatever the DC deem fit. They always side with precedent. In this instance, they'll be looking at the SWFC case, where the time of the season at which a decision was made determined which season the punishment would be handed out.
There can be no argument that the punishment should be in the same season as SWFC, as BCFC were also found guilty for the same 3 year period, but had their punishment in 19/20.
From the SWFC decision doc: “…our conclusion was that the combination of (i) the fact that had the 12-point deduction been imposed when, according to the general approach, it should have been (during the 2018-2019 season), the Club would not have faced relegation, (ii) the actual or perceived inconsistency of the EFL’s approach in the Derby County case and (iii) the potential effects of the delays caused by the bringing of the eventually dismissed Charge 2, makes it inappropriate to impose the deduction in the current extended season, but to postpone its effect until next season when the onus will be on the Club to redeem its position on the playing field.”
That last bit is the key part of that. The DC will not impose a P&S penalty in a season if there is no time to redeem that position. In the very unlikely scenario that they do, it will be appealed anyway.
 
Stop ?ing yourselves an accept we'll be in the Championship next season.

good digging for the Wendy detail.  Let's hope they use that as precedent but firstly I hope there is no points penalty

I'm fairly certain the rules don't say it should be a points deduction in the 20/21 season.
In fact, the punishment is down to whatever the DC deem fit. They always side with precedent. In this instance, they'll be looking at the SWFC case, where the time of the season at which a decision was made determined which season the punishment would be handed out.
There can be no argument that the punishment should be in the same season as SWFC, as BCFC were also found guilty for the same 3 year period, but had their punishment in 19/20.
From the SWFC decision doc: “…our conclusion was that the combination of (i) the fact that had the 12-point deduction been imposed when, according to the general approach, it should have been (during the 2018-2019 season), the Club would not have faced relegation, (ii) the actual or perceived inconsistency of the EFL’s approach in the Derby County case and (iii) the potential effects of the delays caused by the bringing of the eventually dismissed Charge 2, makes it inappropriate to impose the deduction in the current extended season, but to postpone its effect until next season when the onus will be on the Club to redeem its position on the playing field.”
That last bit is the key part of that. The DC will not impose a P&S penalty in a season if there is no time to redeem that position. In the very unlikely scenario that they do, it will be appealed anyway.
 
Stop ?ing yourselves an accept we'll be in the Championship next season.

I'm fairly certain the rules don't say it should be a points deduction in the 20/21 season.
In fact, the punishment is down to whatever the DC deem fit. They always side with precedent. In this instance, they'll be looking at the SWFC case, where the time of the season at which a decision was made determined which season the punishment would be handed out.
There can be no argument that the punishment should be in the same season as SWFC, as BCFC were also found guilty for the same 3 year period, but had their punishment in 19/20.
From the SWFC decision doc: “…our conclusion was that the combination of (i) the fact that had the 12-point deduction been imposed when, according to the general approach, it should have been (during the 2018-2019 season), the Club would not have faced relegation, (ii) the actual or perceived inconsistency of the EFL’s approach in the Derby County case and (iii) the potential effects of the delays caused by the bringing of the eventually dismissed Charge 2, makes it inappropriate to impose the deduction in the current extended season, but to postpone its effect until next season when the onus will be on the Club to redeem its position on the playing field.”
That last bit is the key part of that. The DC will not impose a P&S penalty in a season if there is no time to redeem that position. In the very unlikely scenario that they do, it will be appealed anyway.
 
Stop ?ing yourselves an accept we'll be in the Championship next season.

Inconsistent for sure, but there's literally nobody else at the club right now who can do what he can when it clicks. The same folk will endlessly moan about him but bar Bielik, it could be argued that no other player was more instrumental in rescuing us from relegation last season than Tom with his end of season form in a team that couldn't beat an egg.
 

Lawrence since joining:
17/18 - 14 goals/assists (39 apps)
18/19 - 10 goals/ assists (33 apps)
19/20 - 14 goals/assists (37 apps)
20/21 - 5 goals/assists (23 apps)
Why are you judging him on 1 season?
He gained 5 goal contributions in the final 8 games - that's not someone I'd be looking to replace, especially as the team only scored 10 goals in that period.

He isn’t rubbish, he just isn’t a consistent performer at his best. The best version of him is one of the best players at this level, but let’s not have ideas above our station, if he was consistently at his best, he’d be far too good for us. 
 
we are what we are, he is what he is, we are a match. 
 
if you think Derby are too good for Lawrence, you need to put down the crack-pipe and get real. 

I agree and assume that’s why, for some (not sure if it’s all) points deductions there is a deadline for them to be applied. Something like the 4th Thursday in March.

Lawrence since joining:
17/18 - 14 goals/assists (39 apps)
18/19 - 10 goals/ assists (33 apps)
19/20 - 14 goals/assists (37 apps)
20/21 - 5 goals/assists (23 apps)
Why are you judging him on 1 season?
He gained 5 goal contributions in the final 8 games - that's not someone I'd be looking to replace, especially as the team only scored 10 goals in that period.

I'm fairly certain the rules don't say it should be a points deduction in the 20/21 season.
In fact, the punishment is down to whatever the DC deem fit. They always side with precedent. In this instance, they'll be looking at the SWFC case, where the time of the season at which a decision was made determined which season the punishment would be handed out.
There can be no argument that the punishment should be in the same season as SWFC, as BCFC were also found guilty for the same 3 year period, but had their punishment in 19/20.
From the SWFC decision doc: “…our conclusion was that the combination of (i) the fact that had the 12-point deduction been imposed when, according to the general approach, it should have been (during the 2018-2019 season), the Club would not have faced relegation, (ii) the actual or perceived inconsistency of the EFL’s approach in the Derby County case and (iii) the potential effects of the delays caused by the bringing of the eventually dismissed Charge 2, makes it inappropriate to impose the deduction in the current extended season, but to postpone its effect until next season when the onus will be on the Club to redeem its position on the playing field.”
That last bit is the key part of that. The DC will not impose a P&S penalty in a season if there is no time to redeem that position. In the very unlikely scenario that they do, it will be appealed anyway.
 
Stop ?ing yourselves an accept we'll be in the Championship next season.

Doesn't matter. We'll be playing Championship football next season no matter what the punishment is.

Would have been in the squad if Giggs was still the head coach.
Hopefully he can play himself into the Wales World Cup sqaud.

Decent game this, hopefully Turkey batter them in the second half to keep Robbie Savage quiet 

Doyle - Can't remember much linking him with big clubs. England youth caps up to U19 in a period when youth development in the country was very weak. Also just 9 games for the first team during the Burley/Brown years so not much to base your "hot property" tag on.
Holmes - Injuries prevented him being as good as he could have. 
Addison - another ruined by injuries, and badly advised after his first where he felt he needed to bulk up to deal with Championship forwards.
Ball - don't think anyone ever felt he could be more than a Championship forward. I understand he stopped enjoying playing football
McLeod - strange because I recall people thinking he was a but of a donkey. 
Mills - another who no one actually felt could be more than a Championship player. 
Hanson - just one if those useful utility players and another very few felt could be more than Championship quality.
Bennett - Injuries played a big part in him not kicking on, so too did his lack of intelligence. He'd still be a useful player in our team

None of those players ever looked good in the first team in competitive games. Addison aside as he was affected by injury.
Buchanan Bird Knight Sibley have proven themselves at this level already. Bird and Sibley had second season syndrome but both were excellent towards the end of 19/20 season. Bird was a stand out championship performer for the second half of the 19/20 season. Buchanan - first half of 20/21 season I can’t think of many left backs in the league that were better, yes his form dipped but it was his first season. Knight was first name on team sheet for first half of the season and was earning rave reviews in the recent internationals he’s played. Those 4 have proven they can not only handle but flourish at this level and I would expect them all to be as a minimum championship players but probably play at a higher level in their careers. It’s not soothsaying, they’ve done it and they need to kick on, I think they will either here or at other clubs. 
 
Ive seen many youngsters over the years and you can tell the ones that are good straight away. Riggott Huddlestone Hughes Hendrick (although not to listen to some on here) you knew were going to make it, I never got that with the players you mentioned, even Hanson and Ball (although I’m surprised he fell through the leagues as he did). I do see the quality of Knight Buchanan Bird and Sibley, and I’m excited about the likes of Watson and McDonald also among others. I was really excited about Festy but now extremely worried we might now lose him.
 

I'd sign him as a 3rd choice CF, but we already have a few of those

Born there with a Finnish mum to be fair. Irish dad.

That's the problem with us Finns. We have forehead of a dolphin. ?

100% shot conversion, 100% win rate
 
 
Edit: or not. His forehead was offside

I can't believe this. We can play football.?

Maybe I'll register a business as "DCFC Takeover Financial Vehicle"? I bet KM would tweet about it.

Maybe I'm out of touch, but I think I would have started with "May I buy you a drink", and took it from there!
 
 
... Still... That's probably why I stayed a virgin until I was 37!  ?
 

If only we had selected a former Ram...