Serial Whingers Notts Forest playtime, which we simply cannot accept.

[G STAR RAM]

2 hours ago, alram said:

spending it on players, spending it to run the club, spending it on breakfast - bottom line is it wasnt set aside to pay the tax bill it was used so HE didnt have to put his hand in his pocket and spend HIS money.

 

once you start spending money that isnt yours you know exactly what you are doing as an owner of a club, the only long term saviour from what he was doing would have been promotion, he would have known this and it was a borderline criminal what he did. how stubborn do you have to be to defend the man even after everything that panned out

He wasn't setting any money aside, there was no income, it was during Covid when there was no income that the debt started to mount up.

If someone is paid £100 gross a week and you pay them £60 after deductions it doesn't mean that you have £40 in your pocket, it means that you owe £40 to the taxman.

So it's not like he then had £40 to go out and spend on players.

That's not defending anyone, that's just pointing out that what you are saying is incorrect.

 

[TigerTedd]

12 hours ago, G STAR RAM said:

He wasn't setting any money aside, there was no income, it was during Covid when there was no income that the debt started to mount up.

If someone is paid £100 gross a week and you pay them £60 after deductions it doesn't mean that you have £40 in your pocket, it means that you owe £40 to the taxman.

So it's not like he then had £40 to go out and spend on players.

That's not defending anyone, that's just pointing out that what you are saying is incorrect.

 

“I’m not saying he’s right, I’m just saying you’re wrong.”

I love the internet. 

[RadioactiveWaste]

Mel can take a boat trip on whatever Bob Maxwell's yatch was called as far as I'm concerned.

I'm not going to defend him, and the reputational damage to our club has been huge and is something we have to weather and rebuild. It's as simple as that.

Forest's current ownership is a separeate issue with pretty damning things alledged but as yet no convictions for them.

 

[Mucker1884]

9 minutes ago, RadioactiveWaste said:

Mel can take a boat trip on whatever Bob Maxwell's yatch was called as far as I'm concerned.

 

 

"Lady Ghislaine".  Named after his daughter, I believe?

He'd died after going down on Lady Ghislaine, I believe?

... Quite apt for this thread then, I believe?

[alram]

15 hours ago, G STAR RAM said:

He wasn't setting any money aside, there was no income, it was during Covid when there was no income that the debt started to mount up.

If someone is paid £100 gross a week and you pay them £60 after deductions it doesn't mean that you have £40 in your pocket, it means that you owe £40 to the taxman.

So it's not like he then had £40 to go out and spend on players.

That's not defending anyone, that's just pointing out that what you are saying is incorrect.

 

It is like having £40 in your pocket if you have no intention to pay the taxman which is what happened. he didnt let debt mount up over one year, it was over several and him not submitting the accounts was him hiding that he was spending the clubs tax deductions.

 

its strange how every other club managed to pay their tax bill over the same period & mel even refused EFL funding to cover the tax bill. HINT: because he would have to tell the efl he wasnt going to pay the tax bill

Edited July 23, 2023 by alram

[Ghost of Clough]

2 hours ago, alram said:

It is like having £40 in your pocket if you have no intention to pay the taxman which is what happened. he didnt let debt mount up over one year, it was over several and him not submitting the accounts was him hiding that he was spending the clubs tax deductions.

 

its strange how every other club managed to pay their tax bill over the same period & mel even refused EFL funding to cover the tax bill. HINT: because he would have to tell the efl he wasnt going to pay the tax bill

The EFL's rules prevented the club from applying for the Covid funding.

I cant be bothered to recalculate it, but I believe our HMRC debt built up over just 18 months, which roughly coincided with the start of Covid and a Government policy which prevented the HMRC from winding us up sooner to collect the money.

[G STAR RAM]

3 hours ago, alram said:

It is like having £40 in your pocket if you have no intention to pay the taxman which is what happened. he didnt let debt mount up over one year, it was over several and him not submitting the accounts was him hiding that he was spending the clubs tax deductions.

its strange how every other club managed to pay their tax bill over the same period & mel even refused EFL funding to cover the tax bill. HINT: because he would have to tell the efl he wasnt going to pay the tax bill

If someone is on £100 per week, you deduct £40 in tax and nic, then pay them £60, it does not mean you have £40 in your pocket. It means you have spent £60. Not sure what you are finding so hard to understand about this?

Once again you're factually incorrect on the second point, the EFL provided support to 70 of the 72 clubs I think, there's no hint to be given, they just didn't give any support to clubs that were under EFL restrictions. 

[Srg]

Forest just announced ticket prices for their Sheff Utd league game.

To be in with any chance of a home ticket this year you need to have bought a £95 home membership. Then the cheapest tickets being £42, with the majority over £50. What an absolute utter disgrace.

Most their fans are slating them for it, but it’s just insane. £75 shirt, now this. Unreal. 

[TigerTedd]

35 minutes ago, Srg said:

Forest just announced ticket prices for their Sheff Utd league game.

To be in with any chance of a home ticket this year you need to have bought a £95 home membership. Then the cheapest tickets being £42, with the majority over £50. What an absolute utter disgrace.

Most their fans are slating them for it, but it’s just insane. £75 shirt, now this. Unreal. 

They best get used to it. It’s going to take a few years if this to pay off their spending from last year. 

[Chellaston Ram]

1 hour ago, Srg said:

Forest just announced ticket prices for their Sheff Utd league game.

To be in with any chance of a home ticket this year you need to have bought a £95 home membership. Then the cheapest tickets being £42, with the majority over £50. What an absolute utter disgrace.

Most their fans are slating them for it, but it’s just insane. £75 shirt, now this. Unreal. 

They’ve been used to paying £100 for a season ticket

[RadioactiveWaste]

and then when you get there it's notts forest and the city ground <other tin shacks by sewage filled waterways are availble>

[Foreveram]

Their away game at Arsenal is £28.50 for adults and £12.25 for seniors.

[Srg]

3 minutes ago, Foreveram said:

Their away game at Arsenal is £28.50 for adults and £12.25 for seniors.

Believe there’s a £30 away ticket limit. Doesn’t stop them taking home fans for all they’ve got. 

[Carnero]

3 hours ago, Srg said:

Forest just announced ticket prices for their Sheff Utd league game.

To be in with any chance of a home ticket this year you need to have bought a £95 home membership. Then the cheapest tickets being £42, with the majority over £50. What an absolute utter disgrace.

Most their fans are slating them for it, but it’s just insane. £75 shirt, now this. Unreal. 

"Levels" 🙄

[Gee SCREAMER !!]

4 hours ago, Srg said:

Forest just announced ticket prices for their Sheff Utd league game.

To be in with any chance of a home ticket this year you need to have bought a £95 home membership. Then the cheapest tickets being £42, with the majority over £50. What an absolute utter disgrace.

Most their fans are slating them for it, but it’s just insane. £75 shirt, now this. Unreal. 

They have been giving 25 year old students tickets for the price of a pint for 4 years.  Now they just want it backdated to pay for Shelveys perms on his match day rider and Woods mobility scooter.  It's their own fault.  

[Bris Vegas]

The PL looks weaker this season than last. Forest should look to finish above Luton, Bournemouth, Sheffield United, Burnley and Wolves (the latter selling off their better players). Fulham could struggle too if Silva goes to Saudi.
 

[Red_Dawn]

11 hours ago, Bris Vegas said:

The PL looks weaker this season than last. Forest should look to finish above Luton, Bournemouth, Sheffield United, Burnley and Wolves (the latter selling off their better players). Fulham could struggle too if Silva goes to Saudi.
 

I've a funny feeling Wolves go down this year. Might be worth a punt for those inclined for a cheeky bet.. 

[alram]

20 hours ago, G STAR RAM said:

If someone is on £100 per week, you deduct £40 in tax and nic, then pay them £60, it does not mean you have £40 in your pocket. It means you have spent £60. Not sure what you are finding so hard to understand about this?

Once again you're factually incorrect on the second point, the EFL provided support to 70 of the 72 clubs I think, there's no hint to be given, they just didn't give any support to clubs that were under EFL restrictions. 

i am not sure what YOU find so hard to understand? The £40 is SUPPOSED to be set aside for the tax man when the bill is due to be paid.

 

If you spend that money you cant pay the tax man, we couldnt pay the tax man, and kept using the money set aside to run the club - thus increasing the tax bill to an unsustainable amount that we could not pay.

 

so out of the 72 clubs, 2 didnt accept it, one of them was us with the most unsustainable tax bill of the lot. hmmmm, yes....

 

no idea why you continue to defend what he did, must be stockholm syndrome or your his grand son

[Kernow]

I think the nature of the PL is such a way that at some point every side besides 6 will get relegated at some point. Even Leicester who won the league, the FA Cup and enjoyed a few years of European football couldn’t avoid it.

We’d be the same if we ever got back there, just have to enjoy it whilst you’re there.

There should be 3 worse teams than Forest this year, but like all the others, relegation is inevitable at some point.

[BathRam72]

17 minutes ago, Kernow said:

I think the nature of the PL is such a way that at some point every side besides 6 will get relegated at some point. Even Leicester who won the league, the FA Cup and enjoyed a few years of European football couldn’t avoid it.

We’d be the same if we ever got back there, just have to enjoy it whilst you’re there.

There should be 3 worse teams than Forest this year, but like all the others, relegation is inevitable at some point.

Agreed, let's just hope we are going in the opposite direction when they do come down. Bragging rights and all that.