Grumpy Git Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 Just get Lewandowski in to replace the injured CKR and he can play-off Joz, kill two birds with one stone. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louby Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 Have we signed wisdom yet or do we have no intention on signing him back on ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asanovic70 Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, cheron85 said: I actually don't... Macca took a team which I genuinely thought was doing well for themselves in upper mid-table and turned them into challengers for an automatic promotion spot We then slipped in the second season - Back to the sort of place Nigel Clough would have dreamed of us being in... The only reason McClaren had a team on the verge of promotion was cos HE took them there... I think you're in danger of contradicting yourself regarding McClaren. He inherited a good squad which Nigel Clough actually built on peanuts (sorry, @Mostyn6). True, McClaren brought in Dawkins. If he was such a good manager, he should have been able to continue that momentum following the play-off defeat , build on that platform and complete the job. Others have done after losing a play-off final like McDermott at Reading, or Karanka at Middlesbrough. He should have ignored Newcastle's overtures, easily said then done, yes, but focused on the job at hand. In my opinion, both he and Rush frittered away the good work they inherited. I think you are mistaking a spell of football where he transfixed our fans but which did not lead to anything substantial. He had an opportunity to beat a side with 10 men, something he seems to struggle with, having been once outwitted by Nigel Clough in a similar situation. We could have waited for extra time and then worn down QPR. Where were his tactics then? Anyone can be forgiven for losing a final, but McClaren did not go on to follow it through. I think if you're going to rip up a blue-print, as Rush did, you should at least ensure that you replace it with something that will deliver or improve on it. Edited August 16, 2021 by Asanovic70 cstand 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 @Asanovic70 you’re not directly contradicting me. I’ve said that McClaren spent peanuts, which he did. He worked with what he inherited and additions cost very little. The Clough aspect was irrelevant cos it doesn’t alter the fact that SMc spent f - all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asanovic70 Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 I actually meant @cheron85 was contradicting himself, you earlier made a comment about the side McClaren built on peanuts, which is a blatant mistruth, conveniently forgetting who actually assembled it. McClaren didn't spent f-all as you put it so decorously, he brought in Wisdom, with a loan fee probably involved. The point is that McClaren didn't get us up and he didn't build on this platform which he was fortunate to inherit. You make it sound like he inherited a rabble in the bottom 3 rather than the likes of Hughes, Hendrick & Bryson in midfield. How many managers walk into such a good situation? Very few. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Martin Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 5 hours ago, Sparkle said: Marshall obviously as he isn’t going to play much Lawrence because we just wouldn’t miss a player that doesn’t turn up and we can get a fee for him before his contract expires jozwiak - if we can get our money back - unless he want to start performing a lot better thats it currently - keep the youth so who you gonna replace them 2 wingers with at such short notice then?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuespachRam Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 14 hours ago, DCFC Kicks said: If Jozwiak is so rubbish, why did Poland play him at the EUROs ahead of players playing in Serie A, La Liga and the Bundesliga? Because, as was proven in the Euros, Poland are also rubbish. Mostyn6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheron85 Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 (edited) 12 hours ago, Asanovic70 said: I think you're in danger of contradicting yourself regarding McClaren. He inherited a good squad which Nigel Clough actually built on peanuts (sorry, @Mostyn6). True, McClaren brought in Dawkins. If he was such a good manager, he should have been able to continue that momentum following the play-off defeat , build on that platform and complete the job. Others have done after losing a play-off final like McDermott at Reading, or Karanka at Middlesbrough. He should have ignored Newcastle's overtures, easily said then done, yes, but focused on the job at hand. In my opinion, both he and Rush frittered away the good work they inherited. I think you are mistaking a spell of football where he transfixed our fans but which did not lead to anything substantial. He had an opportunity to beat a side with 10 men, something he seems to struggle with, having been once outwitted by Nigel Clough in a similar situation. We could have waited for extra time and then worn down QPR. Where were his tactics then? Anyone can be forgiven for losing a final, but McClaren did not go on to follow it through. I think if you're going to rip up a blue-print, as Rush did, you should at least ensure that you replace it with something that will deliver or improve on it. Under NC we finished 12th and 10th in the previous seasons - I'm ignoring the 3 before that as genuine rebuilding time - But after 3 years NC had enough time to assemble a squad he wanted - We were 14th when McClaren took over and I don't think anyone was entertaining the idea that NC was taking us to the playoffs (never mind automatic promotion) that season So the 'platform' which you say McClaren inherited was set somewhere between 10th and 14th position - If he'd finished around there the appointment would have been considered 'okay' - any lower would be failure Then McClaren took us to 3rd (and apart from a dodgy sending off away at Burnley may have taken us higher) The 8th place finish the season after was a failure based on HIS work the previous season - Not based on what he inherited - He inherited a bog standard mid-table championship side and turned them into contenders 10 hours ago, Asanovic70 said: I actually meant @cheron85 was contradicting himself, you earlier made a comment about the side McClaren built on peanuts, which is a blatant mistruth, conveniently forgetting who actually assembled it. McClaren didn't spent f-all as you put it so decorously, he brought in Wisdom, with a loan fee probably involved. The point is that McClaren didn't get us up and he didn't build on this platform which he was fortunate to inherit. You make it sound like he inherited a rabble in the bottom 3 rather than the likes of Hughes, Hendrick & Bryson in midfield. How many managers walk into such a good situation? Very few. At the time only Hughes was being considered anything above a mid-table player In fact - Even after that many didn't consider Hendrick to be all that I've been very clear that he inherited a mid-table side - But you're trying to claim he inherited a top 3 side and then failed - He didn't - He took us to that success Edited August 17, 2021 by cheron85 1967Ram, RoyMac5 and Ramarena 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dethorn Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 On 15/08/2021 at 22:32, TheresOnlyWanChope said: Byre? No way. Our best player. you posted this after Saturday - fair play The second goal just proved if he had have been positioned correctly for the first he could still have totally fluffed it. Not a great ten minutes for Nathan. Do not get me wrong I think he is OK; but best player ? After that I genuinely admire your loyalty Van der MoodHoover 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dethorn Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 12 hours ago, Louby said: Have we signed wisdom yet or do we have no intention on signing him back on ? That is a good question I think we need someone like him covering CD and RB and on form probably starting CD for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 10 hours ago, Asanovic70 said: I actually meant @cheron85 was contradicting himself, you earlier made a comment about the side McClaren built on peanuts, which is a blatant mistruth, conveniently forgetting who actually assembled it. McClaren didn't spent f-all as you put it so decorously, he brought in Wisdom, with a loan fee probably involved. The point is that McClaren didn't get us up and he didn't build on this platform which he was fortunate to inherit. You make it sound like he inherited a rabble in the bottom 3 rather than the likes of Hughes, Hendrick & Bryson in midfield. How many managers walk into such a good situation? Very few. I remember those Clough years vividly. The apologists during that whole period of indifferent and boring football were consistent in their belief that Clough needed millions and shouldn’t be judged harshly as the players were not good enough. SMc proved this to be a nonsense. He sent back Adam Smith and bought in Wisdom on cheaper wages (was still on youth contract at Liverpool) and Dawkins, then Thorne on loan. Inspired but very cheap. Certainly not the millions people insisted Nigel needed and not what following managers spaffed since. KBB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheff Ram Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 21 hours ago, DCFC Kicks said: If Jozwiak is so rubbish, why did Poland play him at the EUROs ahead of players playing in Serie A, La Liga and the Bundesliga? It's a question we are all asking... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheff Ram Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 19 hours ago, bcnram said: There is no way that Byrne is a defender. He is ok going forward but he has no ability no concentrate on his defensive duties or an awareness of wheat is going on around him. Unless you are joking of course in which case 'chortle, chortle'. Thing is, if he did have an awareness of wheat, he could cultivate a small crop field down the right hand side of the pitch in our half. That would be guaranteed to slow down any marauding left wingers on the opposition. Job done. Half time, get a combine in, then repeat the job on the other half of the pitch Wheat from the chaff. Job done. bcnram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 10 hours ago, Chris_Martin said: so who you gonna replace them 2 wingers with at such short notice then?? Not very difficult to replace two non functioning wingers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Martin Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 52 minutes ago, Sparkle said: Not very difficult to replace two non functioning wingers specifically who though? Rooney doesn't play with actual wingers, he has wide players that defend a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Martin Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 20 hours ago, bcnram said: There is no way that Byrne is a defender. He is ok going forward but he has no ability no concentrate on his defensive duties or an awareness of wheat is going on around him. He has made one mistake. That's a lot less than our other defenders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCFC Kicks Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 (edited) 8 hours ago, MuespachRam said: Because, as was proven in the Euros, Poland are also rubbish. That's just not true. Ranked 21 in the world rankings. Just to qualify for the EURO's your have to be of a certain standard. Poland won their qualifying group. They also drew 1-1 with Spain. Edited August 17, 2021 by DCFC Kicks Chris_Martin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Martin Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 14 hours ago, Louby said: Have we signed wisdom yet or do we have no intention on signing him back on ? we have enough no.10's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 16 minutes ago, Chris_Martin said: specifically who though? Rooney doesn't play with actual wingers, he has wide players that defend a lot. An extra left and right back playing there would achieve the same outcomes at present Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Martin Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, Sparkle said: An extra left and right back playing there would achieve the same outcomes at present that's the point, its not the players its the set up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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