GenBr Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 14 minutes ago, Diego said: What is the fascination with Wassall!!!??? Hull away 2-0, in a nothing to lose game? That’s it. Rotherham away? MK Dons at home? Hull first leg? Because his team was still entertaining and he achieved more points per game than any other manager in the past 70 years bar Steve McClaren. It's all well and good cherry picking the bad games, but there were plenty of good as well. Doesn't matter though - he isn't a coach anymore - he is the academy director now and I would very much doubt he would take the step back down to coaching at this stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenniumram Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 11 minutes ago, 24Charlie said: Seen this? https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1360218/Wayne-Rooney-speaks-out-Derby-County-boss Rooney in charge for Bristol game, along with the senior coaching staff. A bit of a step up from doing a bit on the side. It doesn’t say he’s in charge, just that he’s part of a caretaker coaching staff, which is exactly what you’d expect. I’m sure it’ll be Rosenior in charge for the time being, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicester Ram Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 10 minutes ago, Mostyn6 said: Ignorant snobbery. People said similar about Jim Smith. Jim Smith was accompanied by an upcoming assistant that was innovating behind the scenes to the extent that he was poached by Sir Alex Ferguson. What evidence from Big Sam have you seen that he’s going to do something like that? Or will he just come in and pull the same old poo while fans like you sit there justifying it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Ram Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Mostyn6 said: sorry Jimbo, you need to read the context better. To clarify, I am NOT comparing Allardyce with Smith (although he's more successful than Smith). I am suggesting the snobbery of ignorant fans is similar. I worked for the man who appointed Smith, and he received hundreds of letters from fans suggesting Smith wasn't good enough and saying "I'm never coming to the Baseball ground again!" My gripe with Allardyce is he has no integrity, not necessarily that he is not good enough. I think we need a Manager who is going to play exciting football and get the fans united and behind the team. I don’t think Sam is that man. In terms of integrity they are chalk and cheese ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomTom92 Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Leicester Ram said: Jim Smith was accompanied by an upcoming assistant that was innovating behind the scenes to the extent that he was poached by Sir Alex Ferguson. What evidence from Big Sam have you seen that he’s going to do something like that? Or will he just come in and pull the same old poo while fans like you sit there justifying it? Justifying winning matches? A lot of fans tried to justify Cocu a man who specialised in losing them. I can appreciate fans not wanting Allardyce because he doesn’t play the beautiful game. But if you think he’d do a bad job here I must respectfully disagree. As for comparisons with the bald eagle I’m unable to comment. But there’s more than one way to skin a cat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Ram Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 10 minutes ago, falconram said: The new owners are going to want a high profile name, I like Paul Cook but I can't see it, Steven Gerrard to throw into the mix No to Gerrard but his next move will be to a Premier club, he turned down Brizzle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, Jimbo Ram said: My gripe with Allardyce is he has no integrity, not necessarily that he is not good enough. I think we need a Manager who is going to play exciting football and get the fans united and behind the team. I don’t think Sam is that man. In terms of integrity they are chalk and cheese ? Can’t see the point in being exciting whilst getting relegated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouRams Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 Sean Dyche anyone? Must be royally ****** off with the lack of financial backing he’s getting at Burnley, one step back to take two forward? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brady1993 Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 23 minutes ago, Mostyn6 said: Ignorant snobbery. People said similar about Jim Smith. There is the obvious reasons about Big Sam. Perceived agricultural football and perceived lack of personal integrity being the major two. But the one not many have mentioned is he's been out of management for 2 and half years now.... which a fair while. It's not an insurmountable issue but it is enough to give me pause given everything else and that he'd likely be expensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, Leicester Ram said: Jim Smith was accompanied by an upcoming assistant that was innovating behind the scenes to the extent that he was poached by Sir Alex Ferguson. What evidence from Big Sam have you seen that he’s going to do something like that? Or will he just come in and pull the same old poo while fans like you sit there justifying it? oh, so you knew at that time that Steve McClaren was innovative and gonna be poached by SAF 3/4 years later? I'm calling ******** on that mate, You knew nothing of the sort. So your point is moot and irrelevant. We are talking ahead of the event, not after the fact. There was nothing to suggest Smith was going to be successful. Sam Allardyce is actually one of the most innovative managers of the Premier League era, I suggest you do some research. He was the first to use Prozone, Sports Scientists, Sports Psychologists, heart-monitoring vests etc. He's also been more successful in terms of win rate, promotions, cup runs etc than Smith was, and he achieved, for what it's worth, the position of manager of his country. What proof I have is what has happened to teams he managed AFTER he left.. Bolton, Blackburn, Sunderland all plummeted out of the PL after he left, Everton plummeted down the table too. Would suggest he had them performing at optimum or above their level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 6 minutes ago, Jimbo Ram said: My gripe with Allardyce is he has no integrity, not necessarily that he is not good enough. I think we need a Manager who is going to play exciting football and get the fans united and behind the team. I don’t think Sam is that man. In terms of integrity they are chalk and cheese ? integrity? Based on a edited Gutter Press sting? Really? If only you knew what Brian Clough used to get up to! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mckram Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 14 minutes ago, falconram said: The new owners are going to want a high profile name, I like Paul Cook but I can't see it, Steven Gerrard to throw into the mix No chance Gerrard would walk away from the biggest chance of Rangers winning the league in how many years and looking like they’ll qualify for Europa knockout stages for a relegation battle with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Ram Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, Monty said: Can’t see the point in being exciting whilst getting relegated Bit of a sweeping statement, are you saying only a dull manager will improve things ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Ram Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, Mckram said: No chance Gerrard would walk away from the biggest chance of Rangers winning the league in how many years and looking like they’ll qualify for Europa knockout stages for a relegation battle with us. But he still knows it’s a Mickey Mouse league.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 8 minutes ago, TexasRam said: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 Just now, Jimbo Ram said: Bit of a sweeping statement, are you saying only a dull manager will improve things ? No but my priority is accruing points playing exciting football (whatever that is) is not an objective - just my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B4ev6is Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 What what burley person who manage us that brought indigo in as a player but we need some who is attacking minded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Ram Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Monty said: No but my priority is accruing points playing exciting football (whatever that is) is not an objective - just my opinion My choice would be a Manager who can provide both ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicester Ram Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 12 minutes ago, TomTom92 said: Justifying winning matches? A lot of fans tried to justify Cocu a man who specialised in losing them. I can appreciate fans not wanting Allardyce because he doesn’t play the beautiful game. But if you think he’d do a bad job here I must respectfully disagree. As for comparisons with the bald eagle I’m unable to comment. But there’s more than one way to skin a cat. Winning games, did I miss something? Has he won a single game as Derby manager? I’m fed up of the lazy assumption that ‘old bar steward manager playing proper long ball English football = winning games’. Warnock flukes it occasionally but I don’t see him pulling up any trees at Boro. This club has real assets in Bird, Sibley and Knight. All midfielders, the engine room of a side that we should build our team around. I don’t want them all on the injury report this time next year with neck ache from watching the ball fly over their heads. We’ve finally started to rebuild for the first time since Clough and I don’t want to see us spurn that work taking a chance on a dinosaur like Allardyce. Do you really think he’s going to develop the players mentioned above? it would be such a humongous change in direction that I can’t justify because Allardyce, who was last promoted from this division in 2012 when it was a completely different league, would get “results”. Allardyce would stink of the chop and change mentality that’s stopped us progressing from this division for so long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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