drgoodspeak Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Here's an odd one: https://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/sport/football/middlesbrough-fc/revealed-middlesbroughs-shock-net-spend-over-10-years-compared-Derby-county-and-stoke-city-2994312 Assume based on transfer dealings and assumed prices only. TLDR: Brentford best with +£81m, Derby 17th with -£60m, Stoke worst with -£160m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuitYourJibbaJivin Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Are we in the wrong place?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 29 minutes ago, drgoodspeak said: TLDR: Brentford best with +£81m, Derby 17th with -£60m, Stoke worst with -£160m I wonder where it was when Mel came in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, QuitYourJibbaJivin said: Are we in the wrong place?! 20th? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 4 minutes ago, QuitYourJibbaJivin said: Are we in the wrong place?! Accounting practices in the north east clearly differ from the rest of the UK. No wonder Gibson got so angry and confused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambitious Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 It's absolutely miles off. We have spent roughly £60-80m on transfers in the past decade so it would mean we have made next to nothing on player sales at all and I believe we've roughly made a profit of about £5m in the past four years. My best guess would be closer to £25m net loss over the past decade, baring in mind we didn't start spending until 2014/15. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CornwallRam Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 It doesn't actually mention transfers anywhere. I wonder if they've just looked at declared profit and loss figures and just added them up over a decade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 9 minutes ago, Ambitious said: It's absolutely miles off. We have spent roughly £60-80m on transfers in the past decade so it would mean we have made next to nothing on player sales at all and I believe we've roughly made a profit of about £5m in the past four years. My best guess would be closer to £25m net loss over the past decade, baring in mind we didn't start spending until 2014/15. yep looks complete BS when you look at transfermarkt. Tempted to suggest this thread is locked given it looks like lies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coneheadjohn Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Either Sam Rush or Diane Abbott has done the counting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Just now, Van Cone De Head said: Either Sam Rush or Diane Abbott has done the counting. no it was priti patel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orphanram Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Last 10 years ins and outs according to transfermarkt.com 10/11 - Ins = £1.45m Outs = £1.19m 11/12 - Ins = £1.19 Outs = £0.7m 12/13 -Ins = £3.26m Outs = £2.1m 13/14 -Ins = £1.49m Outs = £2.4m 14/15 -Ins = £2.71m Outs = £0 15/16 -Ins = £30.6m Outs = £0 16/17 -Ins = £15.4m Outs = £14.63m 17/18 -Ins = £11m Outs = £19.1m 18/19 -Ins = £12.58m Outs = £13m 19/20 - Ins = £7.38m Outs = £1.2m 20/21-Ins = £3.8m Outs = £6.9m Total ins £93m Total outs £61m Net £32m who knows how accurate this is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roboto Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 What an absolute garbage article. Designed to make Boro fans even more angry at Derby. Numbers seem to be plucked out of mid air and I guess ours have also been adjusted after the article which is why we're listed 17th when the number given would put us in 20th place. What an absolute rag that paper must be to have to put out something like this and call it "journalism". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladram Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 40 minutes ago, Orphanram said: Net £32m This stacks up with our position in the table so is probably pretty accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 1 hour ago, RoyMac5 said: I wonder where it was when Mel came in. Transfer profit for the 16/17 season onward (according to Transfermarkt): 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambitious Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Orphanram said: Last 10 years ins and outs according to transfermarkt.com 10/11 - Ins = £1.45m Outs = £1.19m 11/12 - Ins = £1.19 Outs = £0.7m 12/13 -Ins = £3.26m Outs = £2.1m 13/14 -Ins = £1.49m Outs = £2.4m 14/15 -Ins = £2.71m Outs = £0 15/16 -Ins = £30.6m Outs = £0 16/17 -Ins = £15.4m Outs = £14.63m 17/18 -Ins = £11m Outs = £19.1m 18/19 -Ins = £12.58m Outs = £13m 19/20 - Ins = £7.38m Outs = £1.2m 20/21-Ins = £3.8m Outs = £6.9m Total ins £93m Total outs £61m Net £32m who knows how accurate this is? We sold Bogle and Lowe for a reported £11m, although there is a bit of controversy regarding that figure I would doubt that £6.9m is correct. I'm also assuming that 19/20 outs doesn't factor in Delap that went for roughly £1.5m. As for the 15/16 season: I've got Johnson (£6m), Ince (£4.75m), Butterfield (£4m), Shackell (£3m), Weimann (£2.75m), Blackman (£2.5m), Camara (£1.25m) and Olsson (£500k) - which is £24.75m so no idea where the other £5.25m has been extracted from. I would say without digging into the others then you would probably find similar disparities. I'd say our net is well below £30m considering all of the above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gee SCREAMER !! Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Conveniently forgetting Watford, Cardiff and the FFP cheats of yesteryear QPR and Bournemouth then. What a BS headline. All of them including Boro have had time in the top division and years of parachute payments and still lost 30-100 million a piece. Other clubs have apparently lost 17 million, despite sending players to parent clubs on fictitious fees and writing off 37 million debt on ownership change That's truly shocking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 15 minutes ago, Gee SCREAMER !! said: Conveniently forgetting Watford, Cardiff and the FFP cheats of yesteryear QPR and Bournemouth then. What a BS headline. All of them including Boro have had time in the top division and years of parachute payments and still lost 30-100 million a piece. Other clubs have apparently lost 17 million, despite sending players to parent clubs on fictitious fees and writing off 37 million debt on ownership change That's truly shocking. It's net transfer spend, not net profit/loss.. although in the first 4 of Bournemouth 5 season in the PL they made a net loss of over £25m, and Watford made a loss of over £13m over the same period. Over Swansea's final 5 years they made a combined loss of £10m, whereas Stoke lost £17.9m over their final 4 seasons. Cardiff made a small loss of less than £1m, QPR broke even in their most recent season up there, Norwich made a modest £9.5m profit, Boro £11.5m, Huddersfield £33.5m over 2 seasons. Forest made a loss of over £25m in 18/19, and appear to have relied on selling academy graduates and a friendly club in Greece to meet P&S restrictions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenniumram Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Those figures seem way off. We tend to, at the very least, break even in terms of transfer fees most windows nowadays. Some years we’ve made big profits as well, like this summer. That sort of headline just adds to the myth that we’re “big spenders”, which we haven’t been since Clement was in charge. Almost every other move has been funded by player sales. Our FFP problems have never been down to our transfer dealings directly, it’s always been to do with wages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hintonsboots Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 3 hours ago, RadioactiveWaste said: Accounting practices in the north east clearly differ from the rest of the UK. No wonder Gibson got so angry and confused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannable Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 4 hours ago, Orphanram said: Last 10 years ins and outs according to transfermarkt.com 10/11 - Ins = £1.45m Outs = £1.19m 11/12 - Ins = £1.19 Outs = £0.7m 12/13 -Ins = £3.26m Outs = £2.1m 13/14 -Ins = £1.49m Outs = £2.4m 14/15 -Ins = £2.71m Outs = £0 15/16 -Ins = £30.6m Outs = £0 16/17 -Ins = £15.4m Outs = £14.63m 17/18 -Ins = £11m Outs = £19.1m 18/19 -Ins = £12.58m Outs = £13m 19/20 - Ins = £7.38m Outs = £1.2m 20/21-Ins = £3.8m Outs = £6.9m Total ins £93m Total outs £61m Net £32m who knows how accurate this is? It doesn’t include the fees for Delap, Lampard and Rowett which accounts for £9,000,000. I think it inflates older fees and some are inaccurate but it’s a fair guide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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