Cocu in or out?

[Sith Happens]

1 minute ago, Justa said:

I still can’t help but think that although this squad is poor they could/should be doing better than they are.

I think they should be beating Millwall at home yes.

[AdamRam]

3 minutes ago, Justa said:

Your probably right but Keogh and Huddlestone are divisive figures.

Most people were more than happy for Johnson to go he was very inconsistent.

Can’t argue about Vydra though..

They may be divisive figures however I’d ask if you think the have been adequately replaced, and I’ll add Johnson onto that list ?

[SamUltraRam]

What influence has Rosenior made on the squad/formations/tactics yet ?

I thought his appointment was very important but no real evidence so far

It's still Cocu in from me but I want much more from the coaching group

Chris Wilder and Bielsa have managed to 'polish a turd' so come on Cocu & pals, lets do the same

[Pottig]

18 minutes ago, NottsRam77 said:

Not in a relegation battle ?

not yet we are but with 2 away games coming up we could be two points off the drop

we’re not in it yet but we’re teatering precariously from joining it 

Let’s hope he recruits better in January than he did in the summer as two of the 3 have contributed absolutely nothing 

and the one we paid money for, well for me the jury is still out on 

Do you actually think Cocu had anything to do with our signings in the summer? 

[NottsRam77]

9 minutes ago, SamUltraRam said:

What influence has Rosenior made on the squad/formations/tactics yet ?

I thought his appointment was very important but no real evidence so far

It's still Cocu in from me but I want much more from the coaching group

Chris Wilder and Bielsa have managed to 'polish a turd' so come on Cocu & pals, lets do the same

Wilder has done a truly phenomenal job 

look at some of the players there most are standard championship in terms of individual ability 

yet the sum of their parts is incredible 

testamant to the manger that 

and goes to show what a good manager can achieve 

in not using wilder as a stick to beat cocu with 

its just interesting to see what one manager can get out of a group players that are meh individually 

[ramsbottom]

I’m still in the IN camp. Bit what’s worrying me slightly is the fact that he’s still unable to decide on his best XI from the, admittedly, limited squad he has available. Thought he’d stumbled into it with the diamond, but he lost his nerve after Forest. Bar Bogle’s screw up we looked ok and even with injuries, should’ve stuck with it

[Seth's left foot]

Cocu came in late and had no time to shape his squad, he said in the final week of the transfer window that he wanted 3-4 players in. There is no way Hamer and Paterson were his targets, merely plugs in the squad.

i don’t know who’s decision it was to sign Bielik but in my opinion it was a big mistake to spend so much money on one player.

We’ve lost a lot of key players and I think a lot of fans underestimate how much the drinking decable affected the club, how a lot of these players thought it would be a good idea to get pissed up on the week of a game when we were 16th in the table just shows me that they don’t deserve to be at such a big club.

Cocu needs some players in next month, even if that means selling Bogle to raise funds and then he has time to mould his own team. This season will be a write off in more ways than one and it’s all about laying the foundations for the future, too many members of this squad haven’t taken their chance and I believe some new faces along with the injured players returning will galvanise the club.

The constant chopping and changing of players/systems does concern me however we don’t see what goes on at Moor Farm, for example there are rumours that Marriott is a poor trainer (that might explain his niggling injuries).

Patience is needed.

[Anag Ram]

I think it's perfectly reasonable that he is trying different players and formations. 

We know the squad isn't good enough and that we need another clear out. 

He therefore needs to watch each player and how they adapt before deciding who stays and who goes, always assuming some other club will take them off our hands. 

Change can be painful and confusing. 

We just have to stick with it and be part of it. 

[Wolfie20]

15 minutes ago, ramsbottom said:

I’m still in the IN camp. Bit what’s worrying me slightly is the fact that he’s still unable to decide on his best XI from the, admittedly, limited squad he has available. Thought he’d stumbled into it with the diamond, but he lost his nerve after Forest. Bar Bogle’s screw up we looked ok and even with injuries, should’ve stuck with it

Agreed but at various times since the Forest game, 4 players have been injured from that starting eleven - Shinnie, Bielik, Marriott and Clarke so that's been a major factor in all the chopping and changing we've seen since.

It's not been great for most of this season and we need to face up to the fact that a large number of this seasons' squad just aren't good enough for us to sustain a meaningful promotion challenge - the quality of the 3 loans last season probably masked that fact. The Dowell, Clarke and Paterson loans were a short-term, relatively inexpensive attempt to fill the gap left by Wilson and the 2 Chelsea loanees, giving Cocu time to look at other options in the squad before committing substantial fees on permanent replacements.

It's hardly surprising that we have a vocal minority of short-sighted fans wanting him out after little more than 6 months but I'm confident that MM will not be influenced by their negativity and is able to support Cocu in the transfer market, particularly next Summer.

[RamNut]

Shinner spoke well on RamsTV following the Millwall game.

he questioned the lack of leadership and Cocu's management style.

he also noted bogle trotting back half-arsed, which is evident from a quite a few players at times.

 

[May Contain Nuts]

1 hour ago, NottsRam77 said:

Wilder has done a truly phenomenal job 

look at some of the players there most are standard championship in terms of individual ability 

yet the sum of their parts is incredible 

testamant to the manger that 

and goes to show what a good manager can achieve 

in not using wilder as a stick to beat cocu with 

its just interesting to see what one manager can get out of a group players that are meh individually 

It also shows how important momentum is.

They'd had five seasons of underperforming in League One (I wonder if their fans were as frickin' mardy as our?) before Wilder took charge, but they still had resources greater than many of their peers and in Billy Sharp they had a player who's always scored for fun in League One (20 goals in 2015/16, 30 in 2016/17).

Other managers had made getting them back out of League One look harder than it should have, but fair play to Wilder he got them playing some excellent stuff and they've been riding the wave ever since.

Any time we've gained a little momentum in recent years it's been scuppered by major injuries to key players (& never just one at a time) or managerial changes.

[Fuertes’s Passport]

This is an experiment that is not likely to produce the results anticipated.

There is no discernible ,consistent plan on the pitch .The football is consequently dull. The players seem baffled. The manager stands on the touch line and waves his arms around to no good purpose. Half time produces an increase in effort but no improvement in performance. The whole thing is a mess .

Fine to talk about an “integrated structure “and other platitudes but having technically adept 10 year olds isn’t going to get the club where, I would have thought ,it wants to and needs to be within the next 2/3 years.

We have witnessed sufficient now to know that this will not work within a realistic and acceptable timespan. It is true that injuries have taken their toll but things simply are not right and , frankly, are unlikely to become right. Sadly Cocu and English CHAMPIONSHIP football is not a good fit. Indeed, can anybody point to a Dutch manager who has lasted in English football ( possible exception of Ronald K- and that wasn’t long)? 

I recognise the imagination and invention in appointing Cocu . But it is proving to be    an erroneous appointment which will not deliver what is desired . Out now.

 

 

 

[The_Sheriff]

I am not voting out because I always feel we need stability as opposed to sacking a manager when he only had half a transfer window.

However I am concerned. The 4-2-3-1 has not worked all season. When we played the diamond or two up front we create so many more chances I just can not understand why we play one striker. I think it’s obvious Martin is not prolific enough and if he is to play we need to have someone playing off him.

The square pegs in round holes concern me. Bogle as a winger, Holmes in DM, Lawrence up top at times and Forsyth CB (ok we have no other natural choice but wisdom played a few seasons there and I think could do a job).

I am worried we play youngsters when they are not good enough- I firmly believe in the loan system and if they are good enough they are old enough.

Would love to start by changing the system as it has not worked all season.

So come on Cocu show your class.

[Dcfc_20]

At the end of the day I think it comes to the fact our squad is nowhere near as good as last year and therefore not good enough to make the playoffs. Still believe cocu has to get more out of the squad but injuries aren’t helping.Yes Lampard didn’t help but I feel our recruitment this summer was both lazy and rushed. We see other clubs like Brentford and even them down the road manage to pick up top quality cheap signings from abroad. I think it’s time we stop looking so much for inflated league 1 fodder and start looking abroad.

[NottsRam77]

26 minutes ago, Coconut said:

It also shows how important momentum is.

They'd had five seasons of underperforming in League One (I wonder if their fans were as frickin' mardy as our?) before Wilder took charge, but they still had resources greater than many of their peers and in Billy Sharp they had a player who's always scored for fun in League One (20 goals in 2015/16, 30 in 2016/17).

Other managers had made getting them back out of League One look harder than it should have, but fair play to Wilder he got them playing some excellent stuff and they've been riding the wave ever since.

Any time we've gained a little momentum in recent years it's been scuppered by major injuries to key players (& never just one at a time) or managerial changes.

Just devils advocate but You could argue we have and have spent resources greater than many around us.

and yes they were 

I’m mates with 2 blades STH 

the local radio stations equivalent to our Monday night moan in has a feature called “ praise or grumble”

guess what ? Lol ? 

 

[Owd miner]

I fink we should wear blue and white nah black and white is so last season 

[NottsRam77]

2 hours ago, Pottig said:

Do you actually think Cocu had anything to do with our signings in the summer? 

This keeps coming up 

yes ... yes I do 

he’s the manger, like any manger at any club today they have a scouting team that present players that have been scouted and assessed on what has Been requested by the manager 

it was obvious that we had to replace mount and Wilson 

pattison and dowell would have been presented to the gaffa.... along with other players for him to choose from 

there would have been stats and videos for him to look at as with any manager ..... I remember jim smith saying he bought wanchop based on a recommendation from rednapp and a 5 minute video 

There’s a clue, he’s a manger that wants technically able players, all 3 of HIS signings this summer are what are considered technical players 

he benched shinnie (Lampards signing) til injuries bit so deep he had to citing he wasn’t as technical as other players ...

he wanted technical players .... he signed technical players 

somewhere along the line Mr championship specialist should have been in his ear telling him this league needs more than just “techical players”

u think cocu would put his name to a 5-8m signing in bielik without doing some level of due diligence from the information provided by the scouting team ... in exactly The same way any other club brings in players 

Im not having theyre not his signings 

utter rubbish 

 

[NottsRam77]

1 hour ago, RamNut said:

Shinner spoke well on RamsTV following the Millwall game.

he questioned the lack of leadership and Cocu's management style.

he also noted bogle trotting back half-arsed, which is evident from a quite a few players at times.

 

The Blackburn game really frightened me 

bielik lost the ball so many times 

he had a pig of a game but what scared and worried me was his half assed sauntering back to try and rectify his error 

He wasn’t alone 

[angieram]

Things haven't changed since last week have they?  If we all agree what a depleted squad we currently have due partly to players who have left and partly players who are injured I can't see what difference another defeat is making. If we were prepared to wait and see what improvement Rooney makes and what Cocu does in the January transfer window a week ago, we should still be prepared to do so. 

Have the nearly 80% who wanted to keep him changed their minds since last week or do the 20% keep posting to make it seem that way? 

[LeedsCityRam]

2 minutes ago, angieram said:

Things haven't changed since last week have they?  If we all agree what a depleted squad we currently have due partly to players who have left and partly players who are injured I can't see what difference another defeat is making. If we were prepared to wait and see what improvement Rooney makes and what Cocu does in the January transfer window a week ago, we should still be prepared to do so. 

Have the nearly 80% who wanted to keep him changed their minds since last week or do the 20% keep posting to make it seem that way? 

There may be some who are wavering but as always, its the more vociferous who seem to dominate the debate & its not always easy trying to argue for continuity when we're playing as badly as we are. I'm hoping that this is the nadir now that we have two away games (both winnable) and then a run of fixtures where I'd expect us to pick up points. We desperately need to get something from either Wigan and/or Reading to inject some confidence back. 

Problem is some on here seem to think the current state of the squad isn't an acceptable excuse - which makes no sense - and some are just serial manager-out merchants as those who defended Lampard in March & Rowett last March are now noticing. Totally agree we should be focusing on January when Rooney is able to play & reinforcements can be brought in. Teams tend to spark into life rather than evolve slowly and Rooney starting along with someone with some presence in the centre of the park could change things around dramatically.