IslandExile Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 We've been through all the arguements about what Roos is good at and not so good at.... No need to rehash those again here. Just tell me which keepers, currently playing in the Championship, are better than him. That is taking everything into account: saves, catching, dominating, receiving the ball to feet, playing the ball, passing, the lot. Simply put, which current championship keepers would you take over Roos? I think he's being really harshly treated. I genuinely cannot think of another championship keeper that I'd prefer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidWalesRam Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 Sam Johnstone at WBA is an excellent 'keeper , baggies fans might disagree but I really rate him. Butland at Stoke is decent too despite hjs recent errors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
68 Guns Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 I'd take every single Championship keeper ahead of him. Even Lee Camp and the daft lad Sluga at Luton Roos is terrible. Absolutely no doubt about that. I'd rather me be in goal than him and I retired from between the sticks at the age of 44 a full 7 years ago. I don't sarcastically applaud a catch though. That's just wrong. But he's proper crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 He's probably in the top third for agility/shot stopping. Probably bottom quarter for decision making and commanding. "the goal keeping equivalent of Josefzoon" (other teams also have rubbish keepers but we don't watch them week in week out - it's the second division after all) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannable Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 32 minutes ago, MidWalesRam said: Sam Johnstone at WBA is an excellent 'keeper , baggies fans might disagree but I really rate him. Butland at Stoke is decent too despite hjs recent errors. Butland’s been bad for a long time now, injury just before the Euros knackered him in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andicis Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 22 minutes ago, Charlie van de Borreltje said: I'd take every single Championship keeper ahead of him. Even Lee Camp and the daft lad Sluga at Luton Roos is terrible. Absolutely no doubt about that. I'd rather me be in goal than him and I retired from between the sticks at the age of 44 a full 7 years ago. I don't sarcastically applaud a catch though. That's just wrong. But he's proper crap. This is just a clueless opinion. You clearly haven't watched many Championship games not involving Derby if you're of this opinion. Despite Roos having some shaky performances, hyperbolic nonsense like this helps no one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 I found myself thinking about Kellie Roos as I driving back up the m1 today. I came to the conclusion that we should stick with him. He has waited a long time for his chance. He is making some important saves which aren’t getting as much credit as they deserve. He’s still learning, but if he can adapt then we could have a keeper for the next 5 years, with no cash spent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenniumram Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 I made a similar point yesterday in the pub in hull. There’s been a lot of criticism about him from most of our fans (myself included), but we’ve seen a fair few championship games this season, and I tell you what we’ve seen some awful goalkeepers. Sluga, camp and even their goalie yesterday dropped it at the end of the first half to nearly gift us a goal. I don’t think our problems with Roos are unique in this division at all, the standard is just pretty damn poor. I can’t say I agree there’s no goalkeeper I’d rather have, theres got to be a few with better command of their area than Roos in the championship, because his really is shocking. Difficult to name names as the season is still young, and it’s quite early to establish who the divisions best players are this season- but there’s got to be some better goalkeepers out there in this league. However, I don’t think there’s that many. He’s not one of the best goalies in the division, but Roos is still good enough imo to play for a team competing. I’m sure, with some quality scouting, we could improve on him- but we all know quality scouting hasn’t existed here for a long time and we’d almost certainly get someone worse. And regardless, imho, there’s much more significant areas that need addressing that truly are holding us back as a team, before we start looking at the goalkeeper. You don’t tend to play as poo as we have at times and the goalkeeper be mainly to blame. Is he to blame for our midfielders being unable to hit a basic pass sometimes? Is he to blame for our widemen being so totally ineffective? Our centre halves being so slow? No, he isn’t. Those are the problems that are really holding us back and need addressing as a much higher priority than the goalkeeper, despite his obvious flaws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheresOnlyWanChope Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 39 minutes ago, Charlie van de Borreltje said: I'd take every single Championship keeper ahead of him. Even Lee Camp and the daft lad Sluga at Luton Roos is terrible. Absolutely no doubt about that. I'd rather me be in goal than him and I retired from between the sticks at the age of 44 a full 7 years ago. I don't sarcastically applaud a catch though. That's just wrong. But he's proper crap. wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 We missed the most obvious target - twice. daniel Bentley was getting rave reviews at Southend, and was available for quite a while before Brentford eventually paid the asking price. This summer they sold him to Bristol city no doubt for a decent profit. The idea that a modern keeper will command the area though is perhaps a bit hopeful. Keepers are targeted for obstruction. So are centre halves. That’s what all the wrestling is about at corners. Ever since allardyce and warnock perfected their tactical fouling, and those tactics were adopted by the majority of the league, keepers have had to remain rooted to the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Here's the list of each teams most used GK this season. West Brom - S. Johnstone Preston - D. Rudd Leeds - K. Casilla Swansea - F. Woodman Sheff Weds - K. Westwood Bristol - D. Bentley Fulham - M. Bettinelli QPR - J. Lumley Charlton - D. Phillips Forest - B. Samba Birmingham - L. Camp Hull - G. Long Brentford - Raya Smithies - A. Smithies Millwall - B. Bialkowski Derby - K. Roos Blackburn - C. Walton Wigan - D. Marshall Luton - S. Sluga Huddersfield - K. Grabara Reading - R. Cabral Middlesbrough - D. Randolph Stoke - J. Butland / A. Federici Barnsley - B. Collins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 Ram Raider Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 QPRs keeper is absolutely fabulous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiddingsRam Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said: Here's the list of each teams most used GK this season. West Brom - S. Johnstone Preston - D. Rudd Leeds - K. Casilla Swansea - F. Woodman Sheff Weds - K. Westwood Bristol - D. Bentley Fulham - M. Bettinelli QPR - J. Lumley Charlton - D. Phillips Forest - B. Samba Birmingham - L. Camp Hull - G. Long Brentford - Raya Smithies - A. Smithies Millwall - B. Bialkowski Derby - K. Roos Blackburn - C. Walton Wigan - D. Marshall Luton - S. Sluga Huddersfield - K. Grabara Reading - R. Cabral Middlesbrough - D. Randolph Stoke - J. Butland / A. Federici Barnsley - B. Collins Better than Roos ? All round ? Interesting , people , myself included only seem to pick out Roos' bad points and not his good ones . Out of the list the ones that would genuinely improve our team from an all round perspective and the current style of play are : Sam Johnstone Kieran Westwood Marcus Bettinelli Darren Randolph Jack Butland There's many in there that are roughly of the same ability but you wouldn't take them over Kelle who has been here a long time now . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Smithies plays for smithies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Roos made a mistake at Wembley, Keogh will tell you how hard it is to move on from that. Any further mistakes will not be tolerated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukedcfc Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Roos is in the top 8, without question. Every championship keeper will make mistakes, all round quality goalkeepers are hard to find. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 8 hours ago, Charlie van de Borreltje said: I'd take every single Championship keeper ahead of him. Even Lee Camp and the daft lad Sluga at Luton Roos is terrible. Absolutely no doubt about that. I'd rather me be in goal than him and I retired from between the sticks at the age of 44 a full 7 years ago. I don't sarcastically applaud a catch though. That's just wrong. But he's proper crap. How often do you watch other goalkeepers from this division? I'd quite happily bet that someone with a view like this would struggle to name over 10 other goalkeepers from this division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 So he's in the top 8 for this division, just shows how there's a lot of ordinary keepers about. His dithering over high crosses/freekicks/corners are easy to target. If Cocu can see it then so can other managers. Perhaps other ordinary keepers in this division share their mistakes around and don't have such an easily targetable weakness? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamRam Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 We had one of the best keepers in this league and let him go out on loan, another poor call from the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubbles Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Roos is still quite young for a keeper, he will learn with experience and coaching., this is his first full season in the champ, let him start to understand catching and commanding a lot more and we will have a brick wall in no time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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