Ghost of Clough Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 22 minutes ago, RiddingsRam said: Better than Roos ? All round ? Interesting , people , myself included only seem to pick out Roos' bad points and not his good ones . Out of the list the ones that would genuinely improve our team from an all round perspective and the current style of play are : Sam Johnstone Kieran Westwood Marcus Bettinelli Darren Randolph Jack Butland There's many in there that are roughly of the same ability but you wouldn't take them over Kelle who has been here a long time now . Not sure about the last 3 you mentioned based on performances this season. Woodman, Bentley and Samba are up amongst the best too... Probably about on par with Casilla overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 We have also lost our two centre backs from last season as well as playing two youngsters at full back - it’s not all about Roos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 hour ago, AdamRam said: We had one of the best keepers in this league and let him go out on loan, another poor call from the club. imo, Carson was one of the best goalies in the league but not by the time we loaned him out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, Spanish said: imo, Carson was one of the best goalies in the league but not by the time we loaned him out He had a poor patch, probably owing to adapting to changing his style to playing more from the back.* He was then injured and didn't get opportunity to regain his place. Difficult to say he wasn't good enough when you see Roos! *and perhaps even down to change of goalkeeping coach? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 8 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: He had a poor patch, probably owing to adapting to changing his style to playing more from the back.* He was then injured and didn't get opportunity to regain his place. Difficult to say he wasn't good enough when you see Roos! *and perhaps even down to change of goalkeeping coach? yep difficult to say for certain. Always thought Carson was anchored to his line and Roos wasn't. Remember that mad sprint to the touchline to tackle a player? Clearly the coaching has something to do with Roos. He's been told to punch not catch and I think he is conflicted and uncertain what to do in the 'heat of battle'. One thing for certain booing or ironic clapping is not helping him. He must be worried every time the opposition lumps a cross in. For me he isn't half as bad as some make out and there are other areas that require attention first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramfan1958 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 All the championship keepers are better to answer your question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean (hick) Saunders Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 As I only really watch Derby, in champ I only see the guy at the other end. As Derby do not get many high quality crosses in or dominate final third frequently I struggle to make comment easily. Only that Camp and Sluga are worse. I can’t remember seeing others doing as much ineffectual flaps/slaps so in the dealing with crosses I think he is amongst the worst in the division. His strengths do mitigate the weakness, but I want to see him work on and improve or else I want someone else. (PS I have never boo’d any player, Roos included) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lrm14 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 In the top 3 for shot stopping and in the bottom 3 for command of area/aerial ability. He's about what you'd expect from a championship keeper to be honest, he's just unfairly being compared to Carson who was playing at a Prem level under Rowett. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamRam Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Spanish said: imo, Carson was one of the best goalies in the league but not by the time we loaned him out All players go through dips in form, for me he was still ahead of Roos even at the time we loaned him out, with the exception of his distribution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannable Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 4 hours ago, RiddingsRam said: Better than Roos ? All round ? Interesting , people , myself included only seem to pick out Roos' bad points and not his good ones . Out of the list the ones that would genuinely improve our team from an all round perspective and the current style of play are : Sam Johnstone Kieran Westwood Marcus Bettinelli Darren Randolph Jack Butland There's many in there that are roughly of the same ability but you wouldn't take them over Kelle who has been here a long time now . Butland struggled with the ball at his feet last time we had him and, as previously stated, has been rank bad for three years now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePrisoner Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Ramfan1958 said: All the championship keepers are better to answer your question. Delusional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Hughes Hair Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Some of the hyperbole around Roos is ridiculous. For instance, he was criticised in the Wigan matchday thread for ponderous / poor distribution in the first half. The truth is that on the occasion in question he spent a good three or four seconds waiting for Paterson (who was in space initially) to amble up the pitch, refusing to turn to look at Roos until he was close enough to a Wigan defender for the out ball not to be on. I'm not saying Roos is faultless, or couldn't be improved upon but it wouldn't be my first choice for an upgrade in January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramit Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 17 hours ago, Charlie van de Borreltje said: I'd take every single Championship keeper ahead of him. Even Lee Camp and the daft lad Sluga at Luton Roos is terrible. Absolutely no doubt about that. I'd rather me be in goal than him and I retired from between the sticks at the age of 44 a full 7 years ago. I don't sarcastically applaud a catch though. That's just wrong. But he's proper crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 7 hours ago, Ramfan1958 said: All the championship keepers are better to answer your question. How many of them could you even name without the help of Google? How many times have you seen them all play to come to this conclusion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Durden Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 18 hours ago, Andicis said: This is just a clueless opinion. You clearly haven't watched many Championship games not involving Derby if you're of this opinion. Despite Roos having some shaky performances, hyperbolic nonsense like this helps no one. The post started is deliberately contentious though aimed at generating responses like this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimmu Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Good topic @IslandExile, really like it! At least it challenges or should challenge people to adjust their appraisal from binary thinking. Eventhough I watch a lots of Championship, I have to admit that I don't know many keepers well. From that beforementioned list it's easy to find couple who seem to be worse and few whose reputation is better than Roos'. Can't say for the real ability tho. I'd give him, like rest of the inexperienced players in our team., this season as a free hit. Show to the manager, teammates and fans that you are up to it by developing during the season and therefore, have a place in a team next season. If not, then in Roos' case he'd drop to being back up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Scarlet Pimpernel Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Roos has developed very good distribution. Top notch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IslandExile Posted October 28, 2019 Author Share Posted October 28, 2019 6 minutes ago, Tyler Durden said: The post started is deliberately contentious though aimed at generating responses like this That was not at all my intention. I keep hearing this criticism of Roos that I think is unfair, harsh and not useful. My intention was to point out that there are not many keepers, at Championship level, that are much better than Roos. I have said that there are too many 'sheep' joining in the criticism of Roos and not enough Rams giving him our support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DontTrustTheDevilInside Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 11 hours ago, Ghost of Clough said: Here's the list of each teams most used GK this season. West Brom - S. Johnstone Preston - D. Rudd Leeds - K. Casilla Swansea - F. Woodman Sheff Weds - K. Westwood Bristol - D. Bentley Fulham - M. Bettinelli QPR - J. Lumley Charlton - D. Phillips Forest - B. Samba Birmingham - L. Camp Hull - G. Long Brentford - Raya Smithies - A. Smithies Millwall - B. Bialkowski Derby - K. Roos Blackburn - C. Walton Wigan - D. Marshall Luton - S. Sluga Huddersfield - K. Grabara Reading - R. Cabral Middlesbrough - D. Randolph Stoke - J. Butland / A. Federici Barnsley - B. Collins Definitely better than roos johnstone bentley westwood raya smithies walton randolph butland bettinelli Currently in a run of better form than ever seen from Roos and I would argue that he doesn’t have the potential to surpass rudd woodman Lumley samba probably early to discuss Grabara a he is highly rated by a top premier league side Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Durden Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 10 minutes ago, IslandExile said: That was not at all my intention. I keep hearing this criticism of Roos that I think is unfair, harsh and not useful. My intention was to point out that there are not many keepers, at Championship level, that are much better than Roos. I have said that there are too many 'sheep' joining in the criticism of Roos and not enough Rams giving him our support. The comment itself asking which keepers would you take over Roos in the Championship just invites responses like that In reply to your post I don't really give a monkeys about who the best Championship keeper is, I do however want to see signs though that Roos is being coached effectively to improve as a goalkeeper and see signs of improvement regards his catching, decision making and commanding his area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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