Article on dcfc analysts

[Donnyram]

1 hour ago, Angry Ram said:

So basically, they are interpreting data and making assumptions on what has happened and make recommendations... FFS how much does all that cost. What’s coding as welll?

In the words of the great Peter Kay "coding, its the future"

[Angry Ram]

1 hour ago, ariotofmyown said:

Perhaps they might do something like watch loads of games of the oppo and notice that the gk likes to roll out the ball to left cb who will then pass to the left back. The left back is then good at hitting it down the left channel to a good target man. If the left cb is marked, the keeper rolls out to left full back, who then finds the target man.

The team could setup different tactics here.

Mark left cb and left full back.

Mark left cb, but get another player to rush the full back as they know where pass is going.

Mark left back but leave left cb free to recieve ball from keeper.

During the game, an analyst pays particular attention to this to understand how the oppo are reacting to this situation and which approach seems to be having the best impact. They notice right cb seems slow on ball, so suggest that left full back is marked, then both cbs are quickly closed down after ball is rolled out.

We do this, force a mistake from right cb which leads to a goal.

 

And the manager can’t see all that poo from the dugout?

I get watching games and maybe setting up slightly differently.. 

Just a thought, WTF were these guys doing and recommending in both Wolves games? 

[Steve How Hard?]

Although it was blatantly obvious, Fulham did their homework for the 2nd leg. They realised Hudds pretty much orchestrates most of our moves and they were all over him like a rash. Denying him the space and time he needs to do what he does best. 

[1967Ram]

1 hour ago, Donnyram said:

In the words of the great Peter Kay "coding, its the future"

I thought it was, garlic bread!

[jono]

Of course it is valuable but what happens when the strategy and data says "press the left centre back for best result".. you do but your player slips .. all goes to pot

I suppose it is narrowing the odds but then if everyone has the programme and reacts to the analysis then where are you ? .. you end up with one analyst playing the other ...................while the rest of us watch football instead of playing xbox Fifa 

[BondJovi]

2 minutes ago, Steve How Hard? said:

Although it was blatantly obvious, Fulham did their homework for the 2nd leg. They realised Hudds pretty much orchestrates most of our moves and they were all over him like a rash. Denying him the space and time he needs to do what he does best. 

You only needed to see a few seconds of a match to do that homework!

[minesahartington]

“Sit on the playmaker” there you go.. here’s  my bill for £500k

[Van der MoodHoover]

2 hours ago, ariotofmyown said:

Perhaps they might do something like watch loads of games of the oppo and notice that the gk likes to roll out the ball to left cb who will then pass to the left back. The left back is then good at hitting it down the left channel to a good target man. If the left cb is marked, the keeper rolls out to left full back, who then finds the target man.

The team could setup different tactics here.

Mark left cb and left full back.

Mark left cb, but get another player to rush the full back as they know where pass is going.

Mark left back but leave left cb free to recieve ball from keeper.

During the game, an analyst pays particular attention to this to understand how the oppo are reacting to this situation and which approach seems to be having the best impact. They notice right cb seems slow on ball, so suggest that left full back is marked, then both cbs are quickly closed down after ball is rolled out.

We do this, force a mistake from right cb which leads to a goal.

 

Sounds pretty impressive when you put it like that.

But when two thirds of our team are wheezing just to get part way to the half-way line it seems a bit hypothetical...…….?

[RamNut]

I wonder what the analyst says to gary when the computer says we're crap.

[TigerTedd]

5 minutes ago, HantsRam said:

Sounds pretty impressive when you put it like that.

But when two thirds of our team are wheezing just to get part way to the half-way line it seems a bit hypothetical...…….?

‘Press the left back!? But he’s so far away.’

[ariotofmyown]

24 minutes ago, Angry Ram said:

And the manager can’t see all that poo from the dugout?

I get watching games and maybe setting up slightly differently.. 

Just a thought, WTF were these guys doing and recommending in both Wolves games? 

There could be similar such plays happening all over the field. Having data ability would allow this to be processed much better than the manager having to run the whole thing.

The opposition would be doing the same thing too, so you need to match them at least so they don't start with a competitive advantage.

Can change the way you assess the manager'a impact during a game. Potentially better to have an excellent analytical function and a manager who is poor at tactics, than vice vesra.

Perhaps a manager's motivational and communication abilities are much more important these days than the tactical nous?

[MikeS]

All that effort, all that data, all that money and time spent and ....we still bored the pants off everyone.

 

 

 

 

[Anon]

What a brilliant and informative article. Thank goodness the completely objective journalist who penned this masterpiece left a direct hyperlink to the website where I can purchase this wonderful hudl Sportscode™ software in the article. Who would've ever thought that watching the opposition might help predict how they will play against you? Technology truly is amazing.

I've actually devised some analytical software that can detect bull ****. If there are any bloggers reading this, PM me and I'll make you an offer for some unbiased objective coverage.

edit - ******* swear filter

[ariotofmyown]

5 minutes ago, MikeS said:

All that effort, all that data, all that money and time spent and ....we still bored the pants off everyone.

 

 

 

 

True, although you could argue that we were a pretty limited team this season but only lost by 1 goal in the playoff semis to the winners.

How good could we be with a better team with our great analytics?

[Angry Ram]

20 minutes ago, ariotofmyown said:

There could be similar such plays happening all over the field. Having data ability would allow this to be processed much better than the manager having to run the whole thing.

The opposition would be doing the same thing too, so you need to match them at least so they don't start with a competitive advantage.

Can change the way you assess the manager'a impact during a game. Potentially better to have an excellent analytical function and a manager who is poor at tactics, than vice vesra.

Perhaps a manager's motivational and communication abilities are much more important these days than the tactical nous?

Nah, ya ain’t selling it.. 

half time is 15 mins, the manager needs to have a cup of tea and the boys need their oranges. 

Real time it’s crap. Okay analysis of performance after is acceptable but it’s a moveable feast during a game. You shut down the RCB and the keeper gives it to the LCB.. Whoopie.. Tactical masterclass.

Manager says, Fozzy you are crap.. Not much else needed really, 30,000 to back him up.

[Angry Ram]

2 hours ago, Boycie said:

Come on grandad, get with it! ?

GIve me a good honest tradesmen anyday... Computer geeks... Meh.

[rynny]

31 minutes ago, RamNut said:

I wonder what the analyst says to gary when the computer says we're crap.

"I'm going to Stoke"? 

[1967Ram]

11 minutes ago, ariotofmyown said:

True, although you could argue that we were a pretty limited team this season but only lost by 1 goal in the playoff semis to the winners.

How good could we be with a better team manager with our great analytics?

One change, massive difference?

[Ellafella]

2 hours ago, RadioactiveWaste said:

Data is not the same as information.

It's up to those who have the data to make useful things out of it.

Absolutely. The software sorts and presents the data...but it takes an analyst who understands football to make sense of it. 

[Turnstile]

If "data ability" is more important than" football ability"is time to pack up.