maxjam Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 8 minutes ago, Bob The Badger said: Want Lampard. Bryan Robson, Paul Ince and Roy Keane all had as much, if not more, experience than Lampard when it came to running a midfield, yet all flamed out as managers. What has he done to make you think he can succeed as a manager? I'm not saying he won't, but at least Dean Smith has a track record that you can assess. With Lampard it's a total roll of the dice. Zidane had no real previous managerial experience before taking over the reigns at Real Madrid ( coaching the B team doesn't count!). Not sure what he's up to this weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlastoEls Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 4 minutes ago, maxjam said: Zidane had no REAL previous managerial experience before taking over the reigns at Real Madrid ( coaching the B team doesn't count!). Not sure what he's up to this weekend. Pun intended! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRainy Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 10 minutes ago, SaintRam said: I like rolling dice. I play D&D a lot. Me too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 28 minutes ago, Bob The Badger said: Want Lampard. Bryan Robson, Paul Ince and Roy Keane all had as much, if not more, experience than Lampard when it came to running a midfield, yet all flamed out as managers. He's much classier than all of those three! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boycie Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 Roy Keane got promotion in his first job actually Ralph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simsdcfc Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 betting suspended tic toc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramleicester Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 Well they have tried managers who supposed to have known what they were doing so I guess this is the next logical alternative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bob The Badger Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 38 minutes ago, CHCDerby said: If you was a realist, you'd give the guy a chance and not think of the doom and gloom from the outset. I'm guessing you wouldn't be happy with any appointment. You clearly don' under stand what realism is. Realism involves looking at the facts and using critical thinking. Bringing up the FACT that he has no managerial experience and a concern that there have been dozens of great football players who couldn't hack it as managers, is not being doom and gloom. I don't know what he'll be like as a manger, but I do know that history suggest he'll not be great or even competent. So my question was around my confusion that so many people are in favor of him when there is no logic to support that belief. And yes, I would be happy with several appointments. Dean Smith or Nigel Clough would make me very happy, but feel free to jump to erroneous conclusions based on next to nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamRam Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 48 minutes ago, Bob The Badger said: Want Lampard. Bryan Robson, Paul Ince and Roy Keane all had as much, if not more, experience than Lampard when it came to running a midfield, yet all flamed out as managers. What has he done to make you think he can succeed as a manager? I'm not saying he won't, but at least Dean Smith has a track record that you can assess. With Lampard it's a total roll of the dice. When trying to win an argument why do people steer away from all the facts Glenn Hoddle was a pretty successful manager for example yet did not make your list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boycie Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 5 minutes ago, Bob The Badger said: You clearly don' under stand what realism is. Realism involves looking at the facts and using critical thinking. Bringing up the FACT that he has no managerial experience and a concern that there have been dozens of great football players who couldn't hack it as managers, is not being doom and gloom. I don't know what he'll be like as a manger, but I do know that history suggest he'll not be great or even competent. So my question was around my confusion that so many people are in favor of him when there is no logic to support that belief. And yes, I would be happy with several appointments. Dean Smith or Nigel Clough would make me very happy, but feel free to jump to erroneous conclusions based on next to nothing. You spoiled your paper with the Clough comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob The Badger Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 1 minute ago, AdamRam said: When trying to win an argument why do people steer away from all the facts Glenn Hoddle was a pretty successful manager for example yet did not make your list He was ok, but suffered at the highest level. I also didn't include Maradona, David Platt, Bobby Charlton, Alan Ball, John Barnes, Ossie Ardiles, Graeme Souness and Alan Shearer. Way more players fall short than succeed when they move into management. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 56 minutes ago, Bob The Badger said: Bryan Robson, Paul Ince and Roy Keane all had as much, if not more, experience than Lampard when it came to running a midfield, yet all flamed out as managers. I will match you with a Didier Deschamps, Diego Simeone and Zinedine Zidane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRainy Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 9 minutes ago, Bob The Badger said: So my question was around my confusion that so many people are in favor of him when there is no logic to support that belief. There are pages and pages over several threads of people explaining, rationally, exactly why they think it would be a good appointment, in spite of the obvious risks. Many have ‘logically’ assessed our situation, and the alternatives available, and come to that conclusion. You may disagree, but that doesn’t mean that others are stupid to see the potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 8 minutes ago, David said: I will match you with a Didier Deschamps, Diego Simeone and Zinedine Zidane Was just about to say, aren't some of the top managers in Europe former high level players. Pochettino played in that Argentina team that Owen skinned alive didn't he? For every Edgar Davids there is a Luis Enrique. It's not like most managers are coming straight out of Uni. They've nearly all played football before. Does playing for Nuneaton set you up to be a better manager than playing for Bayern? If so, why? The only pattern is there is no pattern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 5 hours ago, Derbados said: This is ******* bonkers, is this actually happening. playing with the clubs future. Probably the most crucial turning point at the club in years and it looks like we’re going to appoint a manager who hasn’t even got his pro license yet to steer us through it. Utter madness 2 hours ago, Derbados said: Bookmarked, let’s revisit in 6 months time and see. hang on, is Derby's WHOLE future based on the next 6 months? Screw you six months, see where we are next summer and the summer after. 2 hours ago, StaffsRam said: I think that's where I am now. In 6 months time we'll probably be wondering what the **** we were smoking! ? again, since when has six months been a measure? 1 hour ago, Bob The Badger said: Want Lampard. Bryan Robson, Paul Ince and Roy Keane all had as much, if not more, experience than Lampard when it came to running a midfield, yet all flamed out as managers. What has he done to make you think he can succeed as a manager? I'm not saying he won't, but at least Dean Smith has a track record that you can assess. With Lampard it's a total roll of the dice. Bryan Robson got promotion, and was the first manager to save a club bottom of the top division at Christmas from relegation. Paul Ince got promotion. Roy Keane got promotion. Dean Smith - NO promotion. Frank Lampard - we want promotion. 4 minutes ago, Bob The Badger said: He was ok, but suffered at the highest level. I also didn't include Maradona, David Platt, Bobby Charlton, Alan Ball, John Barnes, Ossie Ardiles, Graeme Souness and Alan Shearer. Way more players fall short than succeed when they move into management. Maradona has managed internationally as far as I know, didn't do too bad, did he get to the final of a World Cup? Didn't David Platt win a league in Italy as manager, then go on to be part of Mancini's successful setup at Man City. Cannot remember Bobby being a manager. Alan Ball got promotion, I'm sure of it. As did Ossie before having it stripped. Souness won leagues in Scotland and Turkey, promotion and league cup in England. Shearer had about 3 months. Bad examples. Try Dalglish, Cruyff, Beckenbauer, Klinsmann, Simeone, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Ram Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 14 minutes ago, Boycie said: You spoiled your paper with the Clough comment. You took the words right out of my mouth Boycie... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamRam Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 7 minutes ago, Bob The Badger said: He was ok, but suffered at the highest level. I also didn't include Maradona, David Platt, Bobby Charlton, Alan Ball, John Barnes, Ossie Ardiles, Graeme Souness and Alan Shearer. Way more players fall short than succeed when they move into management. Depends what you class as failure, given that success is very often by winning something, most managers will by default fail, therefore by the law of averages more will fail. I’m not saying you are wrong, but there are good example including Conte, Pep and the Tottenham manager for example that have succeeded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wixman1884 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 25 minutes ago, Bob The Badger said: So my question was around my confusion that so many people are in favor of him when there is no logic to support that belief. If we completely put emotion and excitement to one side, yes, Paul Smith is a more sensible option. I don't think many of us want to do that - we want to embrace the excitement and the unknown, the higher profile and the media frenzy. On top of that, Lamps is intelligent and extremely likeable. All these factors are immensely welcome after last season - this has given everyone (bar a few) a huge lift and I think that's what we all really needed right now. Are you actually confused as to why people are excited? it seems obvious... or are you just enjoying flaunting your superior critical thinking skills? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIMBAUD Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 I’ve made the assumption that he would surround himself with people he trusted who would advise him. Of course he’s inexperienced but he’s probably bright enough to know he would need the help and support of a good backroom team. Like most managers do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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