Jimbo Ram Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 1 hour ago, RiddingsRam said: He's not the best centre half in the league , I've said before Keogh was better than him up untill February , he's good , I'm not slating him , but best in the league ? I think some stats for the season suggest he is..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiddingsRam Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 1 hour ago, Jimbo Ram said: I think some stats for the season suggest he is..... Go on ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheron85 Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 Probably should have context there - OPTA stats in Whoscored suggests he was the second highest rated player in the league last year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambitious Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 29 minutes ago, cheron85 said: Probably should have context there - OPTA stats in Whoscored suggests he was the second highest rated player in the league last year It's got to be taken with a pinch of salt, according to that Craig Forsyth was better than Matej Vydra last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 45 minutes ago, cheron85 said: Probably should have context there - OPTA stats in Whoscored suggests he was the second highest rated player in the league last year Unsurprisingly an awful lot of clearances and interceptions - something to do with how deep we sat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheron85 Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 1 hour ago, Ambitious said: It's got to be taken with a pinch of salt, according to that Craig Forsyth was better than Matej Vydra last season. Well obviously all statistics are just a single element of analysis - But I would have said he was one of the best CBs in the league last year - Definitely our best, and not many in the league better - And the stats suggest he had a good season too Stats are stats - I hate it when people dismiss them out of hand completely though - The should always form an element of overall analysis Interestingly I'm not that shocked stats say Vydra wasn't as good as 21 goals suggests - He's a great goalscorer but his overall contribution isn't what you'd expect from a forward these days - That's why he only seems to work in a front 2 - Any team playing 1 up top wouldn't be able to use him (as we found under McClaren 2) - Despite there being players with similar physical characteristics who can - For example he's taller than Vardy and I'd say a similar build, but Vardy can play a loan striker/number 9 role and Vydra can't 1 hour ago, RoyMac5 said: Unsurprisingly an awful lot of clearances and interceptions - something to do with how deep we sat? Quite possibly - And shows how under the cosh we were all season - Keogh had 6.4 clearances a game - That means our CB pairing had to make 15 clearances a game on average The other playoff teams averaged 10-12 for context Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRam Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 2 hours ago, Ambitious said: It's got to be taken with a pinch of salt, according to that Craig Forsyth was better than Matej Vydra last season. Matej Vydra is the outlier, more so than Forsyth anyway. He scores goals, but his contribution in other areas that get tracked is negligible. Most strikers have dribbles and runs associated with their goals, or key passes/assists, or headers won, or tackles/interceptions - but Vydra just hits shots first time, and often scores. He does very little else. It is worth nothing though that if Weimann and Lawrence could ever keep their heads, he would have multiple key passes and assists (often from the halfway line during a counter attack) and would have a slightly higher rating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambitious Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 34 minutes ago, cheron85 said: Well obviously all statistics are just a single element of analysis - But I would have said he was one of the best CBs in the league last year - Definitely our best, and not many in the league better - And the stats suggest he had a good season too Stats are stats - I hate it when people dismiss them out of hand completely though - The should always form an element of overall analysis Interestingly I'm not that shocked stats say Vydra wasn't as good as 21 goals suggests - He's a great goalscorer but his overall contribution isn't what you'd expect from a forward these days - That's why he only seems to work in a front 2 - Any team playing 1 up top wouldn't be able to use him (as we found under McClaren 2) - Despite there being players with similar physical characteristics who can - For example he's taller than Vardy and I'd say a similar build, but Vardy can play a loan striker/number 9 role and Vydra can't Quite possibly - And shows how under the cosh we were all season - Keogh had 6.4 clearances a game - That means our CB pairing had to make 15 clearances a game on average The other playoff teams averaged 10-12 for context I'd personally say Keogh was better than Davies over the whole of last season, both had periods at being top dog. Keogh until February/Early March & Davies from then until the end of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannable Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 Don’t think you can compare them. Davies is an out and out stopper and Keogh’s a ball-playing centre half who covers well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S8TY Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 Davies and Keogh are still good enough to play consistently for us next season in my view but I would get a young CB in as cover and let Pearce go...we do not need JT IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 9 hours ago, RoyMac5 said: Unsurprisingly an awful lot of clearances and interceptions - something to do with how deep we sat? Should have given him -100 for that set up of readings 3rd at PP...….? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 9 hours ago, cheron85 said: Probably should have context there - OPTA stats in Whoscored suggests he was the second highest rated player in the league last year Defensive stats and adama traore was top with mitrovic 4th? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rynny Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 9 hours ago, RamNut said: Defensive stats and adama traore was top with mitrovic 4th? It is on overall rating, when the defensive tab is clicked it shows the defensive stats, but doesn't change the overall rating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 With the exception of Terry, any new centre half would be worse than Curtis. How can we find a better goalkeeper than Carson? Why weaken the team that could not achieve promotion last year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramleicester Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 1 hour ago, Rampage said: With the exception of Terry, any new centre half would be worse than Curtis. How can we find a better goalkeeper than Carson? Why weaken the team that could not achieve promotion last year? Truth is (and what we all need to understand) is that with the FFP issue there is little option other than the team being weaker next year. Best assets will be sold and cheaper replacements bought in. Now all we can hope is that we land on a magic mix inspired by a new management team and find success against the odds. Been done before and will happen again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 Ok so Mel has indicated that belts need tightening. I'm not sure that's really the same as us having hit the FFP ceiling so much as him saying that he can't keep investing the way he has to date (@£100 mill) without promotion or us pulling our horns in. Bear in mind we bid £6 mill for McLean and with the Rowett pay off and some 'outs' this window, there'll be a few quid to spend, no doubt. I'd guess Mel is also sending a message to prospective sellers that we're not going to be soft touches paying over the odds anymore, which seems a sound enough strategy. I'd think we'll be pretty active in the loan market but I reckon there might be a tasty signing or two to further whet our appetites. Exciting times ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 Does anyone know how much we have to trim this season's budget by? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minesahartington Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 1 hour ago, 86 points said: Ok so Mel has indicated that belts need tightening. I'm not sure that's really the same as us having hit the FFP ceiling so much as him saying that he can't keep investing the way he has to date (@£100 mill) without promotion or us pulling our horns in. Bear in mind we bid £6 mill for McLean and with the Rowett pay off and some 'outs' this window, there'll be a few quid to spend, no doubt. I'd guess Mel is also sending a message to prospective sellers that we're not going to be soft touches paying over the odds anymore, which seems a sound enough strategy. I'd think we'll be pretty active in the loan market but I reckon there might be a tasty signing or two to further whet our appetites. Exciting times ? Spot on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiteroseram Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 2 hours ago, Rampage said: Does anyone know how much we have to trim this season's budget by? Well I’m hoping Mel does. we've never publicly said any figures, papers have said (different) figures but they’ve never seemed to be based much except guesswork and poor mathematics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EraniosSocks Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 Can’t wait for some rumours to be flying about so I don’t have too keep reading the same stuff ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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