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Srg Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Surprised Toral is proving more difficult than Lawrence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan O'Meara Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 16 minutes ago, Srg said: Surprised Toral is proving more difficult than Lawrence. Me too. Can only imagine perhaps Arsenal are asking for an unrealistic fee. Would make sense considering Rowett's quotes that we've put in 'competitive bids' which haven't been successful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derbados Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 17 minutes ago, Srg said: Surprised Toral is proving more difficult than Lawrence. Sees very odd that, surely Arsenal don't want to keep him?? Wonder if he's had a few offers and is making his mind up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney1991 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Sounds like wenger being s bit of s c**k tbh. Looking at Gibbs who they want over 10 million for who is nowhere near that and jenkinson im sure i saw 20 million who hasn't really done anything in the prem. Also sanchez 90 million last year contract. I think they have ripped off in the past and now they trying to be more hard ball in which teams won't pay it and he'll lose out on millions to replace. Toral's position in which is no 10 isn't priority for us anyway as it the wingers we need ASAP so this one we can leave to bide its time in which terms they will get desperate to demands as its 2 million on another target or 2 million in the reserves or out on loan again burning down another year of contract and lowering fee demands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rample Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 37 minutes ago, Animal is a Ram said: If these 2 come off I'll be satisfied with out summer transfer dealings, even though I think ideally we need one more winger - playing one of Blackman, Russell, Weimann or Bennett down the right isn't the end of the world . Don't pigeonhole Toral as just a no. 10 though, played a lot deeper at Rangers and I trust Rowett has something in mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brady1993 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 8 minutes ago, Rample said: If these 2 come off I'll be satisfied with out summer transfer dealings, even though I think ideally we need one more winger - playing one of Blackman, Russell, Weimann or Bennett down the right isn't the end of the world . Don't pigeonhole Toral as just a no. 10 though, played a lot deeper at Rangers and I trust Rowett has something in mind. He could well be imagining Toral as the most attacking midfielder in a three, someone hopefully with the energy to burst past Martin but be good enough on the ball to help us control the middle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anag Ram Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 10 minutes ago, Rample said: If these 2 come off I'll be satisfied with out summer transfer dealings, even though I think ideally we need one more winger - playing one of Blackman, Russell, Weimann or Bennett down the right isn't the end of the world . Don't pigeonhole Toral as just a no. 10 though, played a lot deeper at Rangers and I trust Rowett has something in mind. I think Vydra could be the third forward with Lawrence and Martin. That would constitute real threat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brady1993 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 1 minute ago, Anag Ram said: I think Vydra could be the third forward with Lawrence and Martin. That would constitute real threat. If we play vydra in the hole we'd either need Thorne to be fit or to buy another cm who can sit and help control a game alongside huddlestone. Otherwise we'd run into serious problems in midfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anag Ram Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 11 minutes ago, brady1993 said: If we play vydra in the hole we'd either need Thorne to be fit or to buy another cm who can sit and help control a game alongside huddlestone. Otherwise we'd run into serious problems in midfield. You could well be right. However, with a strong back six and Huddlestone's ability to switch play quickly, having pace and dynamism in Torah and a front three of Vydra, Lawrence and Martin would keep most sides occupied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brady1993 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 13 minutes ago, Anag Ram said: You could well be right. However, with a strong back six and Huddlestone's ability to switch play quickly, having pace and dynamism in Torah and a front three of Vydra, Lawrence and Martin would keep most sides occupied. Ahh I think I misunderstood you, are you suggesting playing a 433 with vydra as one of the three ? If so I could see that potentially working. I thought you were talking about playing him in the hole as part of the three in a 4231 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheron85 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 15 minutes ago, Anag Ram said: You could well be right. However, with a strong back six and Huddlestone's ability to switch play quickly, having pace and dynamism in Torah and a front three of Vydra, Lawrence and Martin would keep most sides occupied. There seems to be a bit of confusion here Any starting line up for the start of the season WILL have Russell in it - Unless something monumentally odd happens this week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r4derby Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 This suggests Arsenal are asking for a large fee - probably not eye watering but big. Rowett will say "we're interested, here's what we can offer" and then wait. Arsenal aren't likely to find a buyer (if they do fair enough) and will hopefully come back and say ok. This is a situation where we could overspend now, or wait and see. Like the new approach to transfers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anag Ram Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 11 minutes ago, cheron85 said: There seems to be a bit of confusion here Any starting line up for the start of the season WILL have Russell in it - Unless something monumentally odd happens this week You are probably right but answer me this. Had Russell intercepted that back pass on Saturday and not Vydra, how confident would you have been of a goal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenniumram Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 17 minutes ago, cheron85 said: There seems to be a bit of confusion here Any starting line up for the start of the season WILL have Russell in it - Unless something monumentally odd happens this week You are right of course, and that's part of why we fail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheron85 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 11 minutes ago, Anag Ram said: You are probably right but answer me this. Had Russell intercepted that back pass on Saturday and not Vydra, how confident would you have been of a goal? Less so However watching the game I wasn't confident of Vydra scoring it either - He missed a few chances last season you would expect an instinctive striker to score - And there were a few times he went for a pass rather than a shot where someone like Martin or Nugent would have gone for goal I think both Vydra AND Russell had their confidence shot to pieces last season and I expect to see better of them this season - However I expect Russell to be used primarily on the wing and Vydra primarily through the middle - I don't see them competing for a position 6 minutes ago, Millenniumram said: You are right of course, and that's part of why we fail We finished a strong 3rd place with Russell, Ward, Bamford and Dawkins as our wingers - Whilst I would LOVE to have that combination back now I don't see Russell as the weak link in that 4 and I don't see him as anything but the best of our wingers now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Willow Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 21 minutes ago, cheron85 said: ...Unless something monumentally odd happens this week I've heard he's on the on verge of joining the French Foreign Legion in their mission in Ouagadougou. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sexydadbod Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 2 minutes ago, cheron85 said: Less so However watching the game I wasn't confident of Vydra scoring it either - He missed a few chances last season you would expect an instinctive striker to score - And there were a few times he went for a pass rather than a shot where someone like Martin or Nugent would have gone for goal I think both Vydra AND Russell had their confidence shot to pieces last season and I expect to see better of them this season - However I expect Russell to be used primarily on the wing and Vydra primarily through the middle - I don't see them competing for a position We finished a strong 3rd place with Russell, Ward, Bamford and Dawkins as our wingers - Whilst I would LOVE to have that combination back now I don't see Russell as the weak link in that 4 and I don't see him as anything but the best of our wingers now Let's hope not. He tries but ultimately not good enough, like some others in the team. He's probably kept around these days because he's good in the dressing room. If he doesn't leave this summer, he most likely will in January because his contract expires next year so we will lose him on a free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Eagle's Barmy Army Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 3 minutes ago, McLovin said: Let's hope not. He tries but ultimately not good enough, like some others in the team. He's probably kept around these days because he's good in the dressing room. If he doesn't leave this summer, he most likely will in January because his contract expires next year so we will lose him on a free. When you say he's good in the dressing room, do you mean he's always looking for the one to drop the soap?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheron85 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 3 minutes ago, McLovin said: Let's hope not. He tries but ultimately not good enough, like some others in the team. He's probably kept around these days because he's good in the dressing room. If he doesn't leave this summer, he most likely will in January because his contract expires next year so we will lose him on a free. Not going to continue this as I feel it's just another chance for you to unleash your random Russell-bashing on yet another thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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