RiddingsRam Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 29 minutes ago, toddy said: Now at the bookies at 6/1, got to be worth a few quid? We're you found the odds out of interest mate ? Can't seem to find any! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 32 minutes ago, toddy said: Now at the bookies at 6/1, got to be worth a few quid? Bookie equivalent of clickbait... "Steve McClaren's odds will shock you..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddy Posted October 12, 2016 Author Share Posted October 12, 2016 Just now, G STAR RAM said: So the man that was brought in because he was a brilliant man manager and could get more out of the players, identified a confidence issue before the end of the first month of the season? If there was a confidence issue that early in the season what was causing it? No identified with the first two games. There was talk speculation it was fallout from last season and that was also the cause of the erratic performances at the end of Clement tenure and some of Wassall's. I did hear there was a lack of natural leaders on the pitch, possibly why heads drop so quickly when things don't go to plan. My concern is, even though we got rid of Pearson will we still have a continuation of the awful performances, players unable to the basic's correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 12 minutes ago, toddy said: No identified with the first two games. There was talk speculation it was fallout from last season and that was also the cause of the erratic performances at the end of Clement tenure and some of Wassall's. I did hear there was a lack of natural leaders on the pitch, possibly why heads drop so quickly when things don't go to plan. My concern is, even though we got rid of Pearson will we still have a continuation of the awful performances, players unable to the basic's correctly. I was at the first two matches and neither were anything to do with a lack of confidence, just poor tactics and team selections. Seemed to me like he was just looking for an excuse to hide behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramarena Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Mac was the right man in the right place at the right time. I don't think it would work out as well as it did a second time around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddy Posted October 12, 2016 Author Share Posted October 12, 2016 25 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: I was at the first two matches and neither were anything to do with a lack of confidence, just poor tactics and team selections. Seemed to me like he was just looking for an excuse to hide behind. What he thought there would be an issue in October so made a statement on early August? You were at both games so you knew what was said in the dressing room and on the training pitch - what the players were asked to do, what they failed to do and how the responded? You cannot be as naïve as you make out? The confidence issue does explain also the erratic performances from January under Clement, it also explains the erratic performances we had under Wassall, there were a few especially the 1st leg against Hull, it also explains the rant Holloway had on Sky regarding the players........ Hindsight is a wonderful thing. As I said I do have a feeling we will have a continuation of the performances and players not being able to do the basic's correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted McMinn Football Genius Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Schteve isn't going to turn out to be a version of the Treetards Wee Billy Cranky Davies is he??? #unfinishedbusiness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 29 minutes ago, toddy said: What he thought there would be an issue in October so made a statement on early August? You were at both games so you knew what was said in the dressing room and on the training pitch - what the players were asked to do, what they failed to do and how the responded? You cannot be as naïve as you make out? The confidence issue does explain also the erratic performances from January under Clement, it also explains the erratic performances we had under Wassall, there were a few especially the 1st leg against Hull, it also explains the rant Holloway had on Sky regarding the players........ Hindsight is a wonderful thing. As I said I do have a feeling we will have a continuation of the performances and players not being able to do the basic's correctly. So I needed to be in the dressing room to assess the confidence for them 2 games? Have you been in the dressing room for the past 3 seasons then to conclude that it's been a problem for that long? It's the first time that I have ever heard of a team struggling for confidence after 2 games. Made even more bizarre by the fact that one of them games was a draw against a supposed promotion challenger. Complete cop out. Never once heard these excuses being used for Wassall. It was all his fault back then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddy Posted October 12, 2016 Author Share Posted October 12, 2016 30 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: So I needed to be in the dressing room to assess the confidence for them 2 games? Have you been in the dressing room for the past 3 seasons then to conclude that it's been a problem for that long? It's the first time that I have ever heard of a team struggling for confidence after 2 games. Made even more bizarre by the fact that one of them games was a draw against a supposed promotion challenger. Complete cop out. Never once heard these excuses being used for Wassall. It was all his fault back then. If you need an current example look at the reaction to the Reading goal, all the basics went out of the window. Most fans [myself included in this] thought the issue was with Wassall when he took over Clement, but go back at look at the performances bacj then, they were as erratic as they were under Clement. You did not read what I said it was a continuation of the Wassall days and that was a continuation of the Clement days, where players lose all ability to do the basics. The slightest thing and heads drop, maybe it is what some are saying we have a lack of leaders on the pitch. I do remember Alan Curbishley after the Brighton game being asked about last of confidence after one game? He is response was its not one game......... I do hope I am wrong but we may have continuation even now ..........even though there is a no Pearson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroyDyer Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 A lot of the reason SM worked was because of what went before it. I personally think it would be madness to go back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 2 minutes ago, TroyDyer said: A lot of the reason SM worked was because of what went before it. I personally think it would be madness to go back. That's hardly why he got the England job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 I remember Mel saying Mac had no interest in the Academy, in fact Clement spent more time with Wassell on his 1st day than Stevie did in his entire stay. That doesn't fit the Derby Way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 people are overlooking the fact that McClaren has had TWO positive spells with Derby County, not one. So his previous is being underplayed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroyDyer Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 2 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: That's hardly why he got the England job. Not really sure I get your point... My point was that when he came in, he was so far superior to what went before, that he instantly had an impact on the players. I'm not sure you can replicate that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddy Posted October 12, 2016 Author Share Posted October 12, 2016 Mac is a fantastic coach and that is why Ferguson wanted him at UTD. A manager and coach are different positions. Bring back Mac -let him do what he is good at, let somebody else do the buying and selling side of things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Just now, TroyDyer said: Not really sure I get your point... My point was that when he came in, he was so far superior to what went before, that he instantly had an impact on the players. I'm not sure you can replicate that. Why, he'll be far superior than we we've had recently! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Director of Football role? Recruitment, working with Mel and Sam, being lubricating function between top brass and head coach? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MackworthRamIsGod Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Steve Mac was successful partly due to his excellent loan signings, Dawkins, Wisdom and Bamford, followed by Thorne really changed the team. This time around there are no loan signings until Jan. Bryson was not a fan of Mac, due to him being played deep and then basically destroyed as an attacking player in his second season. First season under mclaren was great, the second season was disappointing to say the least. It would be wrong to go back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddy Posted October 12, 2016 Author Share Posted October 12, 2016 4 minutes ago, Mostyn6 said: people are overlooking the fact that McClaren has had TWO positive spells with Derby County, not one. So his previous is being underplayed. Great coach under the bald eagle.............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddy Posted October 12, 2016 Author Share Posted October 12, 2016 6 minutes ago, reveldevil said: I remember Mel saying Mac had no interest in the Academy, in fact Clement spent more time with Wassell on his 1st day than Stevie did in his entire stay. That doesn't fit the Derby Way. The Derby way was a term created by MM, so he can also take it away............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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