eddie Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 10 minutes ago, toddy said: I meant to say we won't be hovering above the relegation zone in a few weeks time.. Are you suggesting that we will be in it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brady1993 Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 11 minutes ago, toddy said: I meant to say we won't be hovering above the relegation zone in a few weeks time.. Are you confident that a manager looking in won't see it like that ? Do you think somebody like Wagner won't think 'I'd rather say at the job I'm at and not get involved in trying to turn around a team so low on confidence'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddy Posted October 9, 2016 Author Share Posted October 9, 2016 Just now, eddie said: It doesn't matter who is appointed - there is no such thing as guaranteed success. Football is riddled with people who were written off by one group of fans at one club, only for him to emerge at another club and be a huge success. Then, an abject failure next time. Who is to say that this isn't Chris Powell's time? Many on here apparently . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddy Posted October 9, 2016 Author Share Posted October 9, 2016 1 minute ago, brady1993 said: Are you confident that a manager looking in won't see it like that ? Do you think somebody like Wagner won't think 'I'd rather say at the job I'm at and not get involved in trying to turn around a team so low on confidence'? Hang on a minute, so low on confidence, I thought Pearson was the cause of all the problems? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddy Posted October 9, 2016 Author Share Posted October 9, 2016 6 minutes ago, eddie said: Are you suggesting that we will be in it? No, the opposite . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brady1993 Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 2 minutes ago, toddy said: Hang on a minute, so low on confidence, I thought Pearson was the cause of all the problems? 1) Pearson's tactical ineptitude and inflexibility lead to poor performances 2) Poor performances lead to bad results. 3) Bad results lead to low confidence. Pearson's 'work' isn't going to be fixed over night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddy Posted October 9, 2016 Author Share Posted October 9, 2016 2 minutes ago, brady1993 said: 1) Pearson's tactical ineptitude and inflexibility lead to poor performances 2) Poor performances lead to bad results. 3) Bad results lead to low confidence. Pearson's 'work' isn't going to be fixed over night. Confidence issue was highlighted by Pearson 1st game of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Hughes Hair Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 51 minutes ago, Yani P said: Powell great bloke but cant believe he is being touted for the job, he wasn't even under consideration was he when Pearson got it? If he gets it he will get everyone's support no doubt, but yet again it would feel like a Plan C at best for the second season running I would much prefer decisive action and an immediate permanent replacement Like Pearson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brady1993 Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 5 minutes ago, toddy said: Confidence issue was highlighted by Pearson 1st game of the season. He did and I found that weird because I don't think we looked low on confidence as such against Brighton. Where as we definitely started to after a couple of games into his reign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Hughes Hair Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 28 minutes ago, brady1993 said: Are you confident that a manager looking in won't see it like that ? Do you think somebody like Wagner won't think 'I'd rather say at the job I'm at and not get involved in trying to turn around a team so low on confidence'? Nope he'll definitely be like 'I've won Huddersfield the Champions League five times in a row on FIFA16 so screw the money'. Obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddy Posted October 9, 2016 Author Share Posted October 9, 2016 5 minutes ago, brady1993 said: He did and I found that weird because I don't think we looked low on confidence as such against Brighton. Where as we definitely started to after a couple of games into his reign. But you and I are not in the dressing room or training pitch. To his credit I think Pearson identified problems early on, but was unable to get the players to perform. But we had confidence issues in January, February and March, we also had them the previous season around the same time frame. There has a problems within the side for a couple of seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 19 minutes ago, toddy said: Confidence issue was highlighted by Pearson 1st game of the season. I would suggest that was uncertainty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brady1993 Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 10 minutes ago, toddy said: But you and I are not in the dressing room or training pitch. To his credit I think Pearson identified problems early on, but was unable to get the players to perform. But we had confidence issues in January, February and March, we also had them the previous season around the same time frame. There has a problems within the side for a couple of seasons. He may have done but even in that case he took us from a top 6 team who occasionally looked fragile and turned us into a turgid team devoid of confidence, wallowing in the nether reaches of the table. All whilst trying to impose a system that didn't play to the strengths of the squads and actively fed into their weaknesses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuespachRam Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 5 hours ago, RoyMac5 said: The man's good, he's not a bloody miracle worker! R 6 hours ago, Mostyn6 said: the first thing that would happen is POSITIVE football, with a PURPOSE. Which, is the only thing holding us back now. It was the same under Nigel Clough, where the apologists thought the players weren't up to it, and it's the same now. McClaren would have Blackman and co looking like stars of this league within a couple of months. Ha ha ha. Blackman...star....ha ha ha brilliant, quite brilliant. (But Stevie would get the best out of him, by moving him on) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 @Will Hughes Hair http://www.tonybarriemanagement.co.uk/portfolio-item/sooty-show/ I mean that Sooty. Izzy....whizzy......lets get busy!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddy Posted October 12, 2016 Author Share Posted October 12, 2016 Now at the bookies at 6/1, got to be worth a few quid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 On 09/10/2016 at 22:24, toddy said: But you and I are not in the dressing room or training pitch. To his credit I think Pearson identified problems early on, but was unable to get the players to perform. But we had confidence issues in January, February and March, we also had them the previous season around the same time frame. There has a problems within the side for a couple of seasons. Not sure what problems he supposedly identified but any that he did were problems that he caused in the first place. He leaves this job with absolutely no credit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddy Posted October 12, 2016 Author Share Posted October 12, 2016 2 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: Not sure what problems he supposedly identified but any that he did were problems that he caused in the first place. He leaves this job with absolutely no credit. He went on record to say there was a confidence issue in some players from first game - I mentioned in a tread I started back in August. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 3 minutes ago, toddy said: He went on record to say there was a confidence issue in some players from first game - I mentioned in a tread I started back in August. So the man that was brought in because he was a brilliant man manager and could get more out of the players, identified a confidence issue before the end of the first month of the season? If there was a confidence issue that early in the season what was causing it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilkoRam Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Joined this late and I've only read parts of the 22 pages but I think Pearson's tried to correct a few issues by changing everything. He mixe up the squad a bit, he stuck rigidly to a formation that didn't suit and rather than trying to build up the players confidence he continually highlighted how players were struggling with it. The last part always felt like it was an excuse for the poor results that he could hide behind. I'm sure players were struggling with it, at the same time they're trying to adapt to a new formation and integrate new players into the team. That's a lot to ask all at once (they're still people, don't bang on about money they're on, that doesn't make you a robot). The players are used to, and perform best in, a 4-3-3 formation. Let them play that formation, speak to them about their game and behind closed doors tackle the confidence issue. The news players would find it better to integrate. For me Pearson was too stubborn, too stuck in a 4-4-2 is what I like and he did nothing to change my opinion that he is a manager in the ilk of Warnock, McCarthy, etc. I wouldn't want McClaren back. He came to us at the right time and it worked but I don't think it would a 2ns time around. Not sure how the players would react to his return. I would like someone with that ethos though. Someone who got us playing in a formation that suited. He didn't come in and change loads at once. He altered us slightly and it worked. We just need tweaking we don't need another manager coming in thinking that the club needs a massive shake up. We need to give the players a break. We talk about the club needing stability and it does and so do the players. We expect them to get us promoted but they've had 5 managers in around 2 seasons. They've done well under the circumstances Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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